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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/21/2011 7:44:35 AM   
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The invasion bonus ends... but we keep invading!

Subs

O-19 tries her luck penetrating the screen protecting the 2nd Wave Java TF and comes up snake eyes. After numerous DC hits she is forced to the surface and sunk by gunfire. Banzai to DD Nenoshi with the first guaranteed sub kill of the war! Still, CF gains intel that a big troop convoy is in the Java Sea.

4th Fleet

We send 3 DDs home to Japan for upgrades while TKs from Truk re-stock the gas station at Kwaj.

SE Fleet

DA Terapo by our now fully supplied paratroops takes the base with 9:1 odds. The enemy base force surrenders with casualties 822(135). This ends Allied resistance on New Guinea.

The CVE Raiders make Truk and put in for repairs to ships and replacements for air groups. They will soon sortie again with 3 float plane equipped AMCs and scour the convoy routes in SOPAC. Goal for launch is April 10th.

Kira Kira and Fergusson Is. fall; Cape Gloucester invaded.

One of the big air group changes was that a Daitai of Bettys at Rabaul becomes a 45 plane Hikotai. This frees up a Daitai for TB. Excellent!

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

No change.

25th Army

The Java 2nd Wave TF heads for Kalidjati. Two Oscar Sentai will be on 100% CAP tomorrow just in case.

BA Oosthaven shows raw AS at 144:5. DA tomorrow.

A convoy departs Singers for Aparri to pull out base forces and AA no longer needed in Luzon.

Soryu is 3 days away from full repair. She is the last ship in MKB needing attention.

15th Army

Port Blair now has an Air HQ and will soon have supplies needed for torps. This is good because CF bombards Akyab today. Three "R" class BBs, 3 CLs including That Damn Boise and 6 UK DDs hit the base. They encounter our kamikaze xAK and a PB and sink both ships on the way in. The bombardment is thus not quite as good as possible, netting about 65 airfield damage and no troop hits. Only bummer is that we were at 1.96% forts and thus get stuck just south of 2. Interesting that none of the BBs damaged at Nicobar Island are present. Despite this intel, Prince of Wales comes off the sunk list today.

We are finally getting base forces into position in the Burma basin, allowing for better recon. Imperial Guards Division is about 2 days from the Moulmein rail head.

China

Recon confirms that CF's Northern Army is pulling back toward Tienshui. We will pursue and cut the base off from both Kienko and Lanchow, then feast on the KMT stack. Cribtop HQ really thinks the China AO is opening up more each day. Armor is well down the Lanchow road, preceded by recon aircraft looking for resistance.

6 enemy LCUs are now in the Wuchang hex, while 5 more are en route but delayed by our bombers. We will bomb even more and have an additional brigade en route for good measure. This will bring raw IJA AS to 1144. 13th Army is still quietly approaching Pingsiang. Recon confirms only 1 LCU in each of the 3 bases clustered near Changsha. This whole deal is looking good, readers.

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It appears we just kicked over to page 17. Please take a look at the Phase I retrospective at the end of page 16 and comment if desired.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/21/2011 10:11:43 AM   
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hi CT,
congrats on a well-executed Phase I, & thanks for sticking to your well-organized 'area of operations' style of AARing, which helps me pick up the thread whenever you add a post.

wrt your Ph I retrospective, are you satisfied w/ the speed w/ which you followed up your conquests w/ Engr, BF & HQ units? in any areas where you might feel slowed down, which ones were influenced by (retrospectively) needed or unnecessary caution, and which were caused solely by lack of naval transport? in Ph I, were any Fleet areas over-endowed w/ combat or trans assets, & did you transfer any elements between Fleet areas while Ph I was underway?

i'd also like to read a bit more economic news, now that you can begin to calculate based on expected SRA imports. since you've got PDU on, what changes are you making/contemplating in your stockpiling / R&D / production ?

best, jM

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/21/2011 12:46:04 PM   
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1 vote for Red Dragon.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/21/2011 4:38:19 PM   
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Map of China and Allied dispositions + the proposed phases of your offensive (including deception measures ) please.

What are your HRs re: strategic bombing of resources etc in China?

Can you also show your proposed Phase 2 phase line in the Pacific/Indian Ocean/Australia fronts.

Don't breach OPSEC too much obviously given some of the people who hang out in the AAR forum these days but a general outline of phase lines for the various theatres would be useful in discussing what is and isn't possible.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/21/2011 7:35:43 PM   
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Good responses and ideas, gents. I will respond to jmalter's excellent and thought provoking post first. Nemo, I will respond to yours later as I want to get a turn to CF before putting together a screenshot outlining Red Dragon.


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hi CT,
congrats on a well-executed Phase I, & thanks for sticking to your well-organized 'area of operations' style of AARing, which helps me pick up the thread whenever you add a post.

wrt your Ph I retrospective, are you satisfied w/ the speed w/ which you followed up your conquests w/ Engr, BF & HQ units? in any areas where you might feel slowed down, which ones were influenced by (retrospectively) needed or unnecessary caution, and which were caused solely by lack of naval transport? in Ph I, were any Fleet areas over-endowed w/ combat or trans assets, & did you transfer any elements between Fleet areas while Ph I was underway?

i'd also like to read a bit more economic news, now that you can begin to calculate based on expected SRA imports. since you've got PDU on, what changes are you making/contemplating in your stockpiling / R&D / production ?

best, jM


Thanks for the compliment re the style. It is a montage of the styles of many AARs I enjoyed, but most heavily leans on jrcar's AARs. My own thought process is top down a/k/a "N" thinking in Myers Briggs and this style suits how my brain works. I will say that the opposite thinking style a/k/a "S" in Myers Briggs clearly dominates Mr. Grigby's brain. Never in life have a seen a more "from the ground up piece by piece" game (individual clicks and a dice roll for everything, etc). Not that it isn't awesome, but my mousing hand gets tired sometimes!

Support troops. In general I had what I needed where I needed it with one exception - Burma. In my previous PBEM I failed to even get enough support elements to Thai bases to contest the skies over Rangoon. This game I dutifully built up Chiang Mai and Rahaeng and was all ready for an air battle over Rangoon that never really got going as CF pulled back to Mandalay after the first sweeps. Then I confronted what the real life IJA did - the lack of a rail connection between Thailand and Rangoon. It took weeks to slog forward support troops and I am only just now getting them to bases like Mandalay and Schwebo. Thus, I needed a second echelon of support troops that ideally should have advance with the lead elements of 15th Army in order to more rapidly get bases going. Because of CF's wholesale withdrawal from Burma, and his decision to move the AVG to China, I ended up not paying too dearly for this particular mistake. This was an "F" but fortunately Professor Cuttlefish didn't give the pop quiz.

Elsewhere, my entire Phase I plan relied on getting LBA coverage up asap to protect each leap deeper into Allied lines (for example, I identified 3 separate phase lines in 16th Army AO and leapfrogged Air HQs and other support elements forward - Manado/Ternate to Makassar/Kendari/Ambon to Koepang/Denpasar). Support elements were integral to this plan and I thought we achieved the goals well.

Engineers were a bit of a problem as they always seemed to be the most cost effective combat elements to garrison the annoying 20 garrison level bases in Malaya, Java, etc. I suppose next time I could bring SNLFs or independent coys for the job but the former are needed in the Pacific and DEI and the latter are ideal for the often underestimated job of dot base cleanup. However, I brought the kitchen sink of engineers to Malaya and Java and, in combination with organic engineers in Divisions had enough to drop forts. The problem with forts at Singers was hordes of Allied engineers plus failure to bomb the airfield every day = forts repaired to about 1.5 each day, meaning each attack dropped to 1ish instead of 0. Once forts were 0 the siege ended in 3 or 4 days. So, I give myself a solid "B" with a little room to improve in this area.

As far as combat and merchant fleet allocation, this is where my OCD side helped greatly. I feel like my system of organizing the IJN into more or less stable fleets and squadrons helps in three ways: 1) I allocate assets with a great deal of thought to future needs on a 6 month time horizon; 2) I keep the TFs in being and pay minimal PPs to keep good admirals in charge; and 3) Cool names like "South Seas Fleet" make the AAR more fun to type and read.

The merchants were admittedly piled from one hub to another en masse (e.g. Takao at first, then Cam Ranh Bay, no Singers), which is inelegant but effective. This allowed me to draw what I needed for any given mission. The big risk is port attack so if you hub, do so out of range of enemy air and even then under a good CAP! The invention of the Cribtop Lifeboat Doctrine would have really reduced losses of troops to sub and air attack had CF's subs hit anything (knocks wood), and I feel pretty snazzy for having come up with it. The LSDs and AKs were used at first in 25th Army AO for the Malaya invasions and then shifted to Truk for the Rabaul/NG/Solomons campaigns.

One area where I did probably over-allocate was 5th Fleet. So many Allied players have used the NOPAC axis for harassment attacks and/or have put SCTFs behind IJN lines (*cough* Canoerebel *cough*) that I really wanted a decent counter. I allocated 2 slow BBs, 3 older CLs and 6 crappy DDs, but that still may have been too much given the fact that CF was inactive in the north, preferring to use his SCTFs in the DEI and Bay of Bengal.

I've put far less of the economy into my AAR than intended primarily because I've used up my zots in a series of offline communications with other forum members to get the economy moving in the right direction. I'll try to remedy this as the end of the Phase I invasion daisy chain part of the game should in theory leave more time for this.


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/22/2011 12:12:38 AM   
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OK, Screenshots to discuss proposed Operation Red Dragon.




Ugh, the writing didn't show well. Basically we have a 4300 AS army marching NW from Sian that would attempt to isolate the enemy's 3000ish AS army near Tienshui. CF has split 5 LCUs off from this force, presumably to defend Lanchow. Aim would be to destroy the enemy's northern army, capture Lanchow and surrounding bases, and take or at least threaten Kienko.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/22/2011 12:15:25 AM   
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Now the southern front.




We have stout defenses absorbing an enemy counteroffensive at Wuchang. Our small 13th Army, with 1000 AS, is approaching Pingsiang at present but could be called off or re-directed.

Red Dragon would have 7 or 8 fresh divisions available. We would propose to land 4 or 5 Divisions at Hong Kong and drive at Kweilin and eventually Changsha. We would hope to pin his counter attack at Wuchang and unhinge Changsha. All the while, CF's northern front is in danger of collapse via the Kienko offensive.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/22/2011 12:18:25 AM   
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And finally...





The remaining free divisions, 3 - 4 depending on various choices, bide their time for a bit until the enemy is fully engaged with the first two fires. Then they push up the road from Lashio with the ultimate objective of Kunming. Paoshan and Kunming are significant economic targets and we would presumably close the Burma Road from the back door so long as we hold Kunming.

Overall intention of Operation Red Dragon is to knock China out of the war for all intents and purposes by sequentially dislocating his armies with 3 main thrusts at vital areas, destroying or mauling the enemy armies in these operations and occupying vital economic centers, thus preventing the re-birth of the KMT due to supply issues.

Desired end state is a prostrate and garrisoned China with excess combat power moved out to the defensive perimeter.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/22/2011 12:30:07 AM   
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As for the perimeter, Nemo, it may be easier to tell you than to do a screenshot.

Starting in the North and moving clockwise:

We hold or will occupy the western half of the Aleutians, Marcus & Wake, the Marshalls, the Gilberts, Baker, the Ellice Islands (Tutti Fruttis), Solomons, all of New Guinea, NW Oz from Port Hedland area to Darwin, the DEI, Malaya, Port Blair, Burma.

The one Phase II op I'm toying with in the Pacific is seizure of the New Hebrides and, assuming it's lightly defended (which I doubt) New Caledonia.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/22/2011 8:44:02 PM   
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Subs

The Java Second Wave runs into K XII and DD Arashio scores three penetrating hits followed by debris and sinking sounds. Two Dutch subs in two days!

4th Fleet

No Change.

SE Fleet

We are preparing to deploy a bunch of Naval Guards and base forces to perimeter locations. Cape Gloucester falls.

One change post-invasion bonus we didn't expect is that it now takes longer to re-load our small DBCL TFs for the next conquest. Fortunately we're almost finished here, but we have a lot of isolated Dutch bases to finish off in the DEI.

14th Army

A big TF leaves Singers bound for Aparri. We have some spare base forces and AA units no longer needed in the PI.

16th Army

Still walking in the NW Outback.

25th Army

The Java Second Wave arrives at Kalidjati and begins to unload under the watchful eyes of two Oscar Sentai.

DA Oosthaven takes the base with 141:1 odds, casualties 130(19) to nil. DA 1 hex E of Batavia catches a retreating base force and destroys it. Just missed the 4th KNIL Regiment here.

15th Army

Bad weather scraps our bombers at Akyab for a second day. We are a bit worried as CF launches a DA, but it fails badly thanks to increased presence of the airlifted 21st Mixed Brigade. 1:3 odds, forts stay at 1, casualties 461(9) vs 194(2).

China

CF has split up his northern army, with 5 LCUs retiring toward Lanchow and 27 moving to Tienshui. However, he's moving very slowly over the rail line mountain hexside into Tienshui and we will soon be at the yellow road running south of the base. We may well be able to cut the 27 unit stack off from Kienko while racing the 5 LCUs with tanks for Lanchow. Lanchow itself has a nominal 2 LCU garrison. One must be a base force as enemy aircraft are present. The opportunities available to us if we maul or destroy the KMT's northern army are frankly staggering.

The enemy has moved into Wuchang under constant bombing. The battle begins tomorrow I imagine.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/22/2011 10:20:45 PM   
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PS to Nemo. We have a house rule against bombing industry in China. Hence my idea to just grab it.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/23/2011 12:00:55 AM   
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I'm not really sure why your drive in the south is necessary in the first phase. Seems like a bit of unnecessary fighting which would actually imperil the drive in the north. You need to cut off the route from Burma obviously but if you push into northern China from the Sian direction rapidly you could crumple his northern line and force him to redeploy significant forces from the south to stabilise his northern front.

At which point in time a good thrust north via Kweiyang aiming to complete the long pincer behind ( west of ) Chungking. That way you could cause most of his armed forces concentrated in the south to abandon prepared positions and, functionally, be out of the fight for the crucial time period. In essence you'd defeat them without ever fighting them through the use of manoeuvre.

You'd also create reasonably good LOCs for your troops around the external border which would lesson his advantage of interior lines.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/23/2011 12:11:15 AM   
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My concerns were two fold. First, I was afraid the Burna thrust would take a long time due to the endless chain of mountain hexes. Second, I am not confident I could draw supply from Burma for a deep thrust. I could do just enough in the south to open an LoC from the coast if that is an issue. From a more offensive standpoint, I've been waiting and preparing since game turn 1 for an attack out of Changsha and/or Ichang. Even units in non-base hexes have four forts in rough terrain. I want to draw him onto the anvil in the center and double envelop from north and south. I figured he'd commit his Chungking reserves at Kienko and then would have nothing to stop the southern thrust.

Very open to comments however, as simplicity is king and there is a good road from Kunming to Chungking. Obviously if I could blast through the mountains from Burma he would have to fall back in haste from central and southern China.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/23/2011 12:18:43 AM   
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I think you misunderstand. I am talking about blasting west from just north of Sian towards Chengtu as the northern arm and then up from Canton through Wuchow and in between Nanning and Kweilin before following the nice main road up to Kweiyang. At that point in time your forces could meet on either side of the river west of Chungking.

I don't think a major drive from Burma is indicated - I just see a path from Myitkina into China which I'd like to close off but nothing too major is necessary there.

If you are going to conduct a grand offensive then I think committing major portions of the SRA and whatever you can spare from the CHangsha area in the south, committing only holding forces in the east of China ( around CHangsha etc ) and then another major drive in the north backed by forces from Korea could just work.

Side benefit: You would be taking the centres of production at Changsha etc relatively undamaged since he could either maintain forces there in sacrificial pockets or pull back to defend Chungking and its environs abandoning Changsha etc and allowing the resources there to fall into your hands relatively cheaply. Personally I'd be happy to see those resources destroyed though. You don't really need them and them being destroyed will really hurt China allt he way through until late-44.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/23/2011 2:51:13 AM   
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quote:

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If you are going to conduct a grand offensive then I think committing major portions of the SRA and whatever you can spare from the CHangsha area in the south, committing only holding forces in the east of China ( around CHangsha etc ) and then another major drive in the north backed by forces from Korea could just work.

Side benefit: You would be taking the centres of production at Changsha etc relatively undamaged since he could either maintain forces there in sacrificial pockets or pull back to defend Chungking and its environs abandoning Changsha etc and allowing the resources there to fall into your hands relatively cheaply. Personally I'd be happy to see those resources destroyed though. You don't really need them and them being destroyed will really hurt China allt he way through until late-44.


I agree with Nemo, and as I mentioned in an earlier post, you only need to have holding forces around Changsha, Wuchang and Pingsiang. Let the Chinese think they can push you around Changsha, if you build the forts and maintain an adequate holding force you can concentrate on a Northern thrust via Sian towards Central China and Chengtu. Once the fuel is cut off with your capture of Lanchow it's going to be really tough to supply the Chinese forces everywhere else. Nothing the Chinese would gain in an offensive around Changsha couldn't be taken back eventually, or they may even be forced to withdraw without a shot fired if Chungking is seriously threatened. As you drive a stake straight at the heart of China, you'll siphon off units from the South to reinforce, if not...that's good too. When the time is right a strike at Kweilin or Tuyun turns the entire Changsha front anyway. If the Chinese can't hold Kweilin, Tuyun and Kweiyang it makes the entire Changsha front meaningless, if they stay at Changsha or Changteh they risk a serious Stalingrad type encirclement.

I still think a Burma thrust will pay dividends, those bases are lightly held and any chance of securing the Burma Road deep within China can only help in the long run. It may have an added benefit of further causing the Chinese to dilute their forces to meet yet another axis of advance. I think the North is the key to China though, win the North and threaten Chungking and Chengtu and the Chinese will get a serious pucker alert and constrict so to speak around Chungking. That could yield you Changsha and area, as Nemo suggests, at very little cost.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/23/2011 4:54:22 AM   
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Hmm, any time a disembodied Guy Fawkes mask and a hottie with nice coconuts agree on something Cribtop HQ is sure to pay attention!

Scurries off to engage in more operational planning...

PS Nemo I did misunderstand you.

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April 3, 1942

Subs

No contacts. The Dutch sub hat trick eludes us.

4th Fleet

Waiting until April 10th or thereabouts to establish our secret Mavis base. Co-ordinating the timing with arrival of Zeros and Bettys at TB. Bettys at extreme range can even harass Canton. Speaking of that island, a Glen spots a small convoy with troopships so our I-boats will have a go.

SE Fleet

No change.

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

Armor should reach Nokoonbah and Daily Waters tomorrow.

25th Army

Buitenzorg falls. Two of the three traditional mountain redoubts of the KNIL are now captured. We are closing on Batavia from all hexsides to commence a siege. The second wave troops are mostly ashore at Kalidjati, one more day should do it and then off to Soerabaja.

DA Benkolen takes the base with 40:1 odds and retreats 3 LCUs. Casualties 885(74) vs 46(0). It will be fun to clean up Dutch stragglers on Sumatra, Borneo and Celebes.

15th Army

Imperial Guards Division reaches Moulmein and begins to board trains for the Arakan.

Cribtop HQ's Fringe Division reports that similar wars in alternate universes seem to place great importance on Prome as a key defensive position in Burma. Three construction engineers kicking around the fleshpots of Singapore are ordered to this base. Intention is to put level 9 forts at Prome and then Toungoo.

The IJAAF bombs Akyab at last one day AFTER the enemy ground attack. Sigh. Rangoon makes level 6 airfield.

China

Our northern army makes the turn onto the path running south of Tienshui. We believe we will outrun CF's northern army marching along the railroad to the north and cut it off from Kienko, but time will tell. One bit of musing about Operation Red Dragon. The start of offensive action by the two pincers will necessarily be divided in time by as much as 1.5 to 2 months, as the troops that will make up the southern pincer are still in the SRA. However, we are unwilling to let opportunity pass us by up north due to waiting.

We bomb Wuchang mercilessly. No DA here today but all the enemy units are in the hex, so we assume some sort of probe will come tomorrow. If things go as we expect and the base is in no danger, our bombers will shift back to the enemy's northern army.

SA in the far north (near Paotow) retreats an isolated HQ unit, 6:1 odds, casualties 440(40) vs 3(0).

Other

Covered by TBs on picket duty and our recently activated sea plane patrols near Marcus, and directly escorted by a pack of DDs, two large tanker TFs leave the Home Islands. Together with TKs already in the SRA, these ships will begin hauling Oil back to Japan and distributing fuel to forward hubs like Truk.

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A surprisingly interesting day...

Subs

A PBY bombs our midget at Canton but misses. Our subs at Canton observe the presence of the juicy enemy TF (7 ships, 3 DD and 2 AP spotted) but don't attack. I wonder if CF has this up to level 3 port so we can't touch him in the harbor?

4th Fleet

Sometimes you get stupid lucky. This is one such time. We have neglected for too long getting a base force and search planes to Marcus. Today Mizuho and 20 Jakes are 1 day out from the base and spot 2 xAK trying to sneak past just to the SE. The ridiculous luck comes into play because the 3 DDs detached from 4th Fleet at Kwaj to return home for upgrades just happen to sail right into the same hex as these two ships. Seriously, in the vast Pacific we just happen to cross paths in the night? Tee hee. Our DDs happily sink the two xAK. No troops so we assume these are kamikaze supply ships angling for the PI. We were at first concerned these were picket ships or supply ships for an invasion, but pickets wouldn't be in the same hex.

We thus get operationally lucky in that CF probably overestimates the strength of our naval and air patrols in the region. This whole incident reminds Cribtop HQ that we long ago forgot a plan to put a small Val unit at Manila to watch for kami supply vessels. That little hole is plugged in tomorrow's orders post haste.

SE Fleet

Goodenough Island and Talasea are invaded while Stewart Island falls. We note with annoyance that it has been weeks since our rowboat corps occupied anything despite numerous candidate bases adjacent to Japanese garrisons.

Munda Point makes level 1 airfield.

14th Army

Vals are ordered to watch the approaches to Bataan.

16th Army

A laggard tank regiment departs Kendari for NW Oz. Their brothers march into Daily Waters on schedule. Lomblen makes level 2 airfield. This will be the home base of 11th Air Fleet and a key component of the defense of Timor and Flores. From here, scads of bases are torp enabled by the HQ's 5 hex range.

25th Army

We are marching to surround Batavia and should do so in a few days. Didn't quite get all of 16th Division ashore so the unloading continues.

CV Soryu is out of the yards and Haruna arrives at Singapore. All air groups are maxed out with good planes and elite flyboys. Time to consider how to employ our CVs next.

15th Army

CF LRCAPs Akyab and intercepts, but does not shoot down, our transports. Tomorrow we sweep with 2 Oscar Sentai.

China

Cribtop HQ is a bit surprised to see that the KMT northern army has reached Tienshui already. Still, our northern army is on track to move into the trail hex SE (map) of the base. This will effectively cut them off from Chungking. Interestingly, CF also pulled back the 5 LCUs that were making a show of defending the road to Lanchow. Only 4 LCUs, 2 of which are believed to be base forces, stand between the IJA and the rest of China's oil supplies.

In the center, CF neither DAs nor BAs at Wuchang. Is this just a demonstration? Two more LCUs appear to be en route from Changsha, so perhaps not. Recon indicates the enemy may be abandoning his exposed forward bases at Kanshien and Kuknog. More recon tomorrow will confirm or allay these suspicions.




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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/24/2011 9:17:20 PM   
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Subs

No contacts except that our Glen dutifully reports the enemy convoy still at Canton but the parent sub doesn't attack.

4th Fleet

As suspected, there is no snap invasion of Marcus or similar mischief. It appears the two enemy supply ships were kamikazes bound for the PI. As of tomorrow we will have 20 Jakes in Marcus and should plug the "air gap."

SE Fleet

Talasea and Goodenough Island fall. Almost finished with DBCL work here.

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

Pantar occupied by rowboat. Apparently bitching by Cribtop HQ yesterday in the AAR motivated our boys to action.

Daly Waters falls. Sheepish Japanese tank commanders report that Cribtop HQ has been spelling the name of this base incorrectly for some time. Our apologies to Mr. Daly, whoever he was.

25th Army

Unloading finishes up at Kalidjati. The march on Soerabaja begins tomorrow.

4 IJN DDs intercept an MTB spotted yesterday near Singers, but the nimble boat evades despite a no doubt horrific fuel condition. She makes the unspellable Dutch base just SE of Singers (which will not be Dutch much longer, FYI.). This poses an operational dilemma. CF probably has nothing better to do than sail into Singapore, where he may by chance discover the presence of MKB. We will put together another scratch LCTF and sail at the enemy base in hopes of intercept. Betty pilots out of Singapore claim about 1 million hits on the MTB, but we have learned not to trust our flyboys in these matters.

15th Army

We fail to sweep Akyab today. Presumably it's the PzB rule about not being able to sweep your own bases, but we had hopes that wouldn't apply since there are enemy troops in the hex. Sigh. Maybe it was weather, so we'll try again tomorrow, but we doubt it.

China

In just a few days, we will put the enemy northern army in a vice. Even if they try to abandon Tienshui immediately it is probably too late.

Recon confirms the enemy has stripped about half his stout Kanshien garrison and 1 LCU from Kukong. Cribtop Intel presumes these make up the bulk of the enemy force at Wuchang.




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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/24/2011 10:45:04 PM   
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quote:

Daly Waters falls. Sheepish Japanese tank commanders report that Cribtop HQ has been spelling the name of this base incorrectly for some time. Our apologies to Mr. Daly, whoever he was.


Actually, its "Sir" not Mr.

Per Wikipedia:
The name Daly Waters was given to a series of natural springs by John McDouall Stuart during his third attempt to cross Australia from south to north, in 1861-2. Stuart named the springs after the new Governor of South Australia, Sir Dominick Daly.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/25/2011 12:15:30 AM   
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Thanks, Blackhorse. I figured someone would set me straight. I actually pride myself on minimal typos, but some of these names are tricky.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/25/2011 5:02:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

If you are going to conduct a grand offensive then I think committing major portions of the SRA and whatever you can spare from the CHangsha area in the south, committing only holding forces in the east of China ( around CHangsha etc ) and then another major drive in the north backed by forces from Korea could just work.

Side benefit: You would be taking the centres of production at Changsha etc relatively undamaged since he could either maintain forces there in sacrificial pockets or pull back to defend Chungking and its environs abandoning Changsha etc and allowing the resources there to fall into your hands relatively cheaply. Personally I'd be happy to see those resources destroyed though. You don't really need them and them being destroyed will really hurt China allt he way through until late-44.


I agree with Nemo, and as I mentioned in an earlier post, you only need to have holding forces around Changsha, Wuchang and Pingsiang. Let the Chinese think they can push you around Changsha, if you build the forts and maintain an adequate holding force you can concentrate on a Northern thrust via Sian towards Central China and Chengtu. Once the fuel is cut off with your capture of Lanchow it's going to be really tough to supply the Chinese forces everywhere else. Nothing the Chinese would gain in an offensive around Changsha couldn't be taken back eventually, or they may even be forced to withdraw without a shot fired if Chungking is seriously threatened. As you drive a stake straight at the heart of China, you'll siphon off units from the South to reinforce, if not...that's good too. When the time is right a strike at Kweilin or Tuyun turns the entire Changsha front anyway. If the Chinese can't hold Kweilin, Tuyun and Kweiyang it makes the entire Changsha front meaningless, if they stay at Changsha or Changteh they risk a serious Stalingrad type encirclement.

I still think a Burma thrust will pay dividends, those bases are lightly held and any chance of securing the Burma Road deep within China can only help in the long run. It may have an added benefit of further causing the Chinese to dilute their forces to meet yet another axis of advance. I think the North is the key to China though, win the North and threaten Chungking and Chengtu and the Chinese will get a serious pucker alert and constrict so to speak around Chungking. That could yield you Changsha and area, as Nemo suggests, at very little cost.


Nemo and SqzMyLemon are on the money here. Take the shortest route into the open terrain around Chunking. Once in the open no Chinese force can stop you due to your mobile units. The shortest route is from Sian. Mass and go west for Chungking. Don't even worry about Lanchow until later. Move west from Sian into the open terrain and most all Chinese forces and cities to the South and West are flanked. Isolate or take Chunking and the remaining Chinese army goes on to a starvation diet.

Based on my own experience I do not believe any good Allied play can prevent a determined Japanese player from taking China out of the War. You are on a good schedule to do so. But don't fool around, Chungking is the key that closes the door. Then everything else will be fairly easy. My two cents anyways.


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/25/2011 5:45:17 AM   
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Great advice, thanks. I've been suffering a bit from the German disease of trying to recall Rommel and Guderian on the way to the coast for fear of getting our spearhead cut off. However, the recent move by CF to Tienshui itself, rather than to the all important trail hex SE of the base, has given me new adrenaline. Also PPs are such that in about 9 days I can buy out another Kwantung Army division for use in China.



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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/25/2011 5:53:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blackhorse
Per Wikipedia:
The name Daly Waters was given to a series of natural springs by John McDouall Stuart during his third attempt to cross Australia from south to north, in 1861-2. Stuart named the springs after the new Governor of South Australia, Sir Dominick Daly.

I'm all in favor of this kind of info. A good rainy-day my-mind's-a-blank activity - google- or wiki-search a few of those Yank cargo-ship names. All hail the good ship Silvestre Escalante, named for the Spanish Franciscan missionary who explored Utah in 1776.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/26/2011 3:50:08 AM   
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Subs

As the Java Second Wave TF retires to Singapore, it tangles with and gets the best of a third Allied sub. This time Skipjack takes 1 penetrating hit, 2 damaging near misses, and 1 near miss that nails the forward torpedo tubes. We can really tell the improved performance of subs with Mod-2 DCs.

Escorts of a small troop convoy that delivered an Air HQ to Roi Namur chase off Gar. This is one of the few sightings of enemy subs outside the DEI and indicates that CF is beginning to spread out his subs to other waters.

4th Fleet

No change.

SE Fleet

Our new seaplane base at Woodlark Island is up and running with Jakes.

14th Army

It looks like CF moved more combat units from Bataan to Clark (up to 28 from 22). Is he trying to maintain combat power as supplies erode or preparing for a desperate assault? We doubt the latter option as we have jungle rough terrain, 3 forts and 100% prep in our besieging army and 100% prep from the 14th Army HQ.

16th Army

Nookanbah falls. Katherine is up next.

25th Army

We sweep Soerabaja because a Nell on nav search from Denpasar was attacked yesterday. Pay dirt as we shoot down twelve 339s for no loss.

Our second wave troops are moving off the beachhead and should sweep the island clean until they reach Soerabaja. Batavia has only 2 hexsides left before the base is fully invested. We will shift forces to Soerabaja and knock that base out first (fewer troops and easier terrain), then move everything back to Batavia for the end.

Our little ploy at Toenjen... whatever (SE of Singers) works. An LCTF intercepts the MTB before it arrives at Singapore and sinks it. We then bombard the port but don't get any other ships (there is an anchor symbol and recon shows 1 ship there).

18th Division is retiring on Palembang for transport to the conquest of western Sumatra (true).

15th Army

Recon confirms CF has withdrawn the Burma army to Imphal for now. We will soon (finally) seize Kalemyo and Katha, then Myitkyina and Wazarup. Then we have to decide how to defend this hellhole.

China

Almost to the key hex that cuts enemy LoC. IJA armor has cut the road between Lanchow and Chungking, thus presumably cutting off all oil supplies to the capital.

Still no attack at Wuchang, but a fresh brigade arrives today to bring our AS up to 1095 behind level 5 forts in light urban terrain. Should be enough.

Our small army approaching Pingsiang finds 3 enemy LCUs over the river in a clear hex. We will attack them. The appearance of 2 reinforced divisions near Changsha hopefully shakes up the enemy command a bit. Recon shows that the bases in South China are stripped of troops (1 LCU in almost all bases except for 6 in Kanshien and Kukong and 4 in Wuchow). This is brilliant news for Operation Red Dragon.


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Gents,

As we turn our eyes to Western (true)/Northern (map) Sumatra, Cribtop HQ is considering using MKB to launch a surprise port attack at Colombo. CF has so far clustered his merchies at "historical" ports, and the haul could be beneficial. However, the enemy probably has had no intel about MKB for weeks now. Is it worth revealing our location to try this (after Sabang falls)? We will recon the port with Glens before a final decision, but assuming arguendo that we find a lot of ships there, how do you vote?

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/26/2011 5:57:35 AM   
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I'd think MKB could handle the brit carriers, so I'd say go for it unless you think there are US CVs in Indian waters.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/26/2011 12:56:48 PM   
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Colombo always seems to be a favorite place for an Allied flak trap....

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I moved the big Allied AA Bde (72 heavy AA guns) from Colombo to India, but if CF didn't, then you will face at least 100 heavy AA guns.

Bring a strong SC TF with you in case he has some of those R Class BBs there along with those numerous CA/CL still in a SC TF.

As an Allied player, I send 2 PBY groups to India due to the shortage that the British and Indian have there. You get some small 6 plane groups that are not enough.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 8/26/2011 4:31:22 PM   
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Great info, guys. We need some recon and the Op has to wait until enemy airfields with search planes at Medan and Sabang are taken.

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