Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

I wonder why Ruby is in the map art, and a defined location on the Yukon river?
In stock, that river is not a navigable waterway - and there are no roads or rail lines to Ruby

Long ago, Ruby was the main port of the Yukon River - associated with a gold rush. But the
town was substantially abandoned when the mines payed out, and largely destroyed in an
earthquake in 1923. What remained of the once significant waterfront was burned to the ground
in a fire in 1938. Aside from native traditional inhabitants, only a few manual miners continued
to operate after that (still the case today).

Galena is not too far from Ruby. It has a pre war airfield so useful it became an auxilary military
airfield - until the end of the century. It also had (and still has) functional lead mines - and it
is a river port. I think Galena should replace Ruby - and the Yukon should be navigable all the way
to Whitehorse - where it remains a gigantic river (vice the "minor" one in the pwhexe file). As you
approach Whitehorse the Yukon appears to be about a mile wide - closer to 2 km than 1 km -
and it was long the best way to get anything really big into the interior of Alaska or the Yukon
But it is frozen in the winter

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ORIGINAL: JeffK

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0008772

The river mouth was known to Russian fur traders by 1831. The upper reaches were explored by HBC trader Robert Campbell, who explored the Pelly River and established a post at Fort Selkirk on the Yukon in 1848. John Bell of the HBC reached the river via the Porcupine River in 1846. For 3 months of the year, the Yukon is navigable from its mouth to WHITEHORSE (some 2860 km). Steamers plied the river in the 1860s, and there were at least 20 in service in 1900, at the height of the KLONDIKE GOLD RUSH Today the steamers are antique and the area is served by road and air.

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: JeffK

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0008772

The river mouth was known to Russian fur traders by 1831. The upper reaches were explored by HBC trader Robert Campbell, who explored the Pelly River and established a post at Fort Selkirk on the Yukon in 1848. John Bell of the HBC reached the river via the Porcupine River in 1846. For 3 months of the year, the Yukon is navigable from its mouth to WHITEHORSE (some 2860 km). Steamers plied the river in the 1860s, and there were at least 20 in service in 1900, at the height of the KLONDIKE GOLD RUSH Today the steamers are antique and the area is served by road and air.

Good point about the seasonal factor. Gotta remember Alaska isn't in the tropics, after all :-) But I have no personal knowledge of the area (wish I did!!).

So, I wonder if it is navigable for most of the year in its lower reaches? (and remembering that "navigable" for AE purposes means by ships up to 15,000 tons.)

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: JeffK

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0008772

The river mouth was known to Russian fur traders by 1831. The upper reaches were explored by HBC trader Robert Campbell, who explored the Pelly River and established a post at Fort Selkirk on the Yukon in 1848. John Bell of the HBC reached the river via the Porcupine River in 1846. For 3 months of the year, the Yukon is navigable from its mouth to WHITEHORSE (some 2860 km). Steamers plied the river in the 1860s, and there were at least 20 in service in 1900, at the height of the KLONDIKE GOLD RUSH Today the steamers are antique and the area is served by road and air.

Good point about the seasonal factor. Gotta remember Alaska isn't in the tropics, after all :-) But I have no personal knowledge of the area (wish I did!!).

So, I wonder if it is navigable for most of the year in its lower reaches? (and remembering that "navigable" for AE purposes means by ships up to 15,000 tons.)

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: Shark7
It should be seasonal for sure. But how big of a ship can the Yukon handle? I'm not quite sure how deep the river is, and that what counts as to the displacement (or more importantly the draught at full load) of ship that can traverse it. If nothing but your typical fishing trawler can traverse it, should it be opened up given the game constraints? Or rather can you set a maximum tonnage to traverse with the pwhexeditor?

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

I wonder why Ruby is in the map art, and a defined location on the Yukon river?
In stock, that river is not a navigable waterway - and there are no roads or rail lines to Ruby

Long ago, Ruby was the main port of the Yukon River - associated with a gold rush. But the
town was substantially abandoned when the mines payed out, and largely destroyed in an
earthquake in 1923. What remained of the once significant waterfront was burned to the ground
in a fire in 1938. Aside from native traditional inhabitants, only a few manual miners continued
to operate after that (still the case today).

Galena is not too far from Ruby. It has a pre war airfield so useful it became an auxilary military
airfield - until the end of the century. It also had (and still has) functional lead mines - and it
is a river port. I think Galena should replace Ruby - and the Yukon should be navigable all the way
to Whitehorse - where it remains a gigantic river (vice the "minor" one in the pwhexe file). As you
approach Whitehorse the Yukon appears to be about a mile wide - closer to 2 km than 1 km -
and it was long the best way to get anything really big into the interior of Alaska or the Yukon
But it is frozen in the winter

Needless to say, when making the map, I did not have enough time to investigate the navigability of every river on the map. The Yukon could be made "navigable" for as far as a vessel of 15,000 tons displacement can navigate. If that is as far as Whitehorse then it is perfectly reasonable to make the river type "navigable" that far.

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Don't stress it. Ruby was an important geographical focal point during the Pacific War as it was the centerpiece of Admiral Yamamotto's attempt to bring the Canadian Navy to decisive battle.

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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Don't stress it. Ruby was an important geographical focal point during the Pacific War as it was the centerpiece of Admiral Yamamotto's attempt to bring the Canadian Navy to decisive battle.

No stress here. You won't be surprised to hear that the amount of time I spend on revising a part of the AE map is proportional to how often I see it featuring in AARs (apart from the bits I play around with for fun, such as my Gibraltr extension).

Andrew