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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/28/2011 6:26:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Oogulloo loop is hilarious! Sounds like a "GreyJoyism."

for sub ops, it's an 'aahoohgahloop'.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/28/2011 1:03:37 PM   
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DEI:  To my surprise, BB New Mexico sank after a long string of "damage control failure" messages.  I also think CA Kumano slid under (reports of "heavy fires/heavy damage" during the battle yesterday; today, two Dave show up on the "ground" loss table for aircraft).  The Japanese arrive in overwhelming numbers at Merak on Java's western tip, where tomorrow they'll "do battle" with 69 AV behind three forts.

CenPac:  The Japanese reclaim Nauru Island after landing three more small infantry units.  This is a disappointment to the Allies, who had reinforcements enroute, but it did buy the Allies the time needed to work on other islands and garrisons without molestation.  I'm watching to see if the Japanese Mini-KB recently sighted near Pago Pago (since vanished) shows up around Baker Island or Tarawa.

SoPac:  As stated, no sign of the Mini-KB, but a big IJ surface force is not far to the west of Pago Pago.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/28/2011 2:44:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The New Mexico's demise is too bad. However, it does not surprise me. My experience with the older Allied BBs in combat has been somewhat limited. Most of them are usually sunk or so damaged at PH that they are not in play for 6-12 months. By then, the games I have played are usually decided. However, the ones that have gotten into the thick of things have not fared well when damaged. It seems that they are not very hardy. Damage control does not seem to be very good on them.

Has this been the experience of others?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/28/2011 9:52:21 PM   
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SoPac:  The Japanese have committed BBs Yamato, Hyuga and Yamashiro, CAs Furutaka and Tone, and the Mini-KB to an operation that appears to consist of landing four additional naval guard units at Pago Pago.  Steve probably needs to land two good divisions to handle this operations, assuming it would be worth doing in the first place, which I don't think it is.  A squadron of SBD1s scored multiple hits on three troop-carrying xAK, while shore guns scored some hits too.  CA Furutaka was set afire.

CenPac:  Tarawa, Baker Island and Ocean Island are secure for the Allies.  Makin, Abemama and Tabituea need some help.  Overall, though, things look good in this region.

DEI:  The Japanese airforce sortied in large numbers against Palembang, where I temporarily didn't have fighters (they have been covering important reinforcement convoys at Oosthaven).  Flak did a decent job of downing about 20 Sally, Betty and Nell.  The Allies had to withdraw a big handful of fighters tomorrow, so I withdrew them today, thus adding some PP, and replaced Percival with a good commander that also has a solid Administration rating.  This was after getting a very helpful PM from a player who I think prefers to remain anonymous.  He pointed out, among other things, that Percival's anemic Admin rating could affect recovery by disrupted troops and drawing upgrades/reinforcements from the pools.

Damage Control:  Re princep01's post, Allied damage control is much different in AE than it was in WitP.  In the latter, a damaged Allied ship that survived combat had a very good chance of making it to port.  In AE, a moderately to heavily damaged ship has a high chance of not making it to port.  I don't know which of the two models is more accurate, so I'm not being critical.

Appalachian Trail:  Me and my two boys and a family friend will be leaving early tomorrow a.m. for a 40-mile backpacking trip on the Appalachian Trail from Fontanta Dam, North Carolina, to Newfound Gap, on the N.C./Tennessee state line.  This section is the longest on the AT without a road crossing, and it also includes the highest point on the AT (Clingman's Dome at 6,600+ feet).  The weather forecast is great, but we'll have to keep an eye out for snakes, yellow jackets and bears.  But we're very excited (and fortunate) to be doing one of the most memorable sections of the trail.  So, if all goes well, I shall see you gents Friday.  Have a good one.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/28/2011 10:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Canoerebel: There is a switch "Realistic Allied Damage" .... what is this switch in your game? It might explain the behavior you are seeing.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/28/2011 11:52:18 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/29/2011 12:34:08 AM   
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I'm about 45 minutes from Roan Mtn, Tenn (the actual mtn, not the town). I'm less than 10 minutes away from where the Appalachian Trail goes around Watauga Dam/Lake. Let me know when you get to my neighborhood.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/29/2011 5:50:23 AM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/30/2011 7:34:20 AM   
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Enjoy the Appalachian Trial!

Holy overcommitment of imperial forces to Pago Pago, Batman!

I could have sworn my last post included something on Admin rating being a bit important for fatigue and disruption recovery.

Regarding pulling aircraft squadrons early to get PPs, does anyone know for sure whether the planes and pilots go back to the pools in that case? I've always checked "no" on getting the PPs after which I get the "planes and pilots back to the pool" message.

Cheers,
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/30/2011 11:25:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/2/2011 4:02:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, AdmSpruance. Good to know.

Cheers,
CC

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/2/2011 4:13:30 AM   
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I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.

I thought if you took the PPs you didn't get the planes in the pool? I'm wrong?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/2/2011 4:28:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.

I thought if you took the PPs you didn't get the planes in the pool? I'm wrong?



That's what I think, too.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/2/2011 6:26:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: erstad


quote:

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.

I thought if you took the PPs you didn't get the planes in the pool? I'm wrong?


Atleast in the latest official patch you get both.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/2/2011 6:56:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		We returned from our Appalachian Trail trip tonight. I'll get back to the game tomorrow, but first one story from the Trail.

Yesterday afternoon, we arrived at a high and remote mountain shelter called Double Springs Gap. As we were sitting around the campsite talking, two backpackers stopped by briefly to chat. They reported that a group of backpackers from Poland were heading for the shelter for the night. This news excited one of my group, because he speaks five languages and is working on Polish.

A little while later, we heard the Polish backpackers coming down the trail toward the shelter, talking excitedly. I turned to my language-gifted companion and said, "Quick, tell me how to say 'Hello!' in Polish."

He replied: "Favyorka!"

When the five young Polish backpackers emerged from the forest and approached the shelter, I walked out to meet them, raised my hand in greeting, and exclaimed, "Favyorka!"

They look dismayed.

I looked back at my companion, who was laughing so hard he had tears in his eyes, and asked, "What did I just say to them?"

He replied: "Squirrel!"



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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/2/2011 10:31:50 PM   
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Just read through this AAR over the past couple of days, very interesting and congrats on what to date has been a serious can of whoop hienie on chez

Something to keep in mind, havent heard it mentioned, he should have Junyo and Hiyo by now, he almost certainly accellerated them after losing his CVLs. Gives him a little more flexibility CentPac and SoPac

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/3/2011 7:18:05 PM   
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DEI:  More Japanese bombers and fighters hit Palembang, where two squadrons of the AVG plus anti-aircraft fire score plenty of kills.  No sign of imminent Japanese moves on Sumatra.  The Allies have a Marine division divided between Bombay and Capetown.  I will consolidate the regiments and have selected a prep target.

SoPac:  Hiyo and Junyo confirmed near Pago Pago (their Zeros downed most of the SBD squadron based at PP) along with the three BBs and three CAs.  Steve might have landed two more Naval Guard units - not enough to make a difference.

Tarawa and Vicinity:  The Allies are nearly finished unloading operations in this region.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/4/2011 11:03:08 PM   
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DEI:  The Japanese have finally finished off Java (Merak fell on the 2nd).  Steve also halted the Palembang bombings after two days.  He had nearly shut down the field, but I don't think he liked the amount of damage his aircraft took from two squadrons of the AVG plus flak.  The Allies are pulling out of Sibolga (lightly defended, no airfield, and IJA 21st Division just a few days out).  Oosthaven forts to 6.50 and building quickly.  Reinforcements are landing at Cocos Island - AV now at 121 and will increase to 150+ in a few days (and later to 300 when a Marine regiment arrives from Capetown).  Cocos is particularly important now - holding it prevents Japan from truly isolating Sumatra.  I went ahead and withdrew the AVG today () to gain the political points.  Sad to see those puppies go.

Burma:  The Allies successfully withdrew from Toungoo and will stand at Mandalay/Magwe.

SoPac:  Little Vietnam continues at Pago Pago, where shore guns have roughed up five to ten IJ merchants including an AMC and a a variety of xAKL and xAK.  The Hiyo/Junyo group has slid to the north, but I'm not sure yet the Steve has the "nads" to move them into the Allied controlled waters east of Tarawa, where there is alot of shipping.

CenPac:   Most unloading is complete at Tabituea, Ocean and Tarawa.  By tomorrow, all transports will retire.  Most return to Pearl, but a handful go to Baker Island to retrieve one of the two RCT, which will then be used to bolster the garrison at Makin Island.

NoPac:  Quiet here, but the Allies are pre-positioning ships for the eventual move to re-supply and reinforce the Kuriles.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/5/2011 1:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cannot understand his obsession with Pago Pago. Surely he has to cut his losses by pulling out fragments of the units there to rebuild and leave the masses to their fate.

Even if he did eventually capture it, what is it its value to the IJN now? None.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/5/2011 4:47:04 PM   
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Paul, I can only guess that Steve thinks he can accomplish something worthwhile in SoPac while awaiting the right time to move against Sumatra.

SoPac and CenPac:  There are enemy TFs all over the place - the Hiyo/Junyo group NW of Pago Pago, a TF at Allied occupied Makin (just north of the Warspite TF at Tarawa), approaching Nauru Island, and elsewhere in the Gilberts.  Also, Allied patrols report a sizeable combat TF on a northeast heading SE of Davao.  It's as though Steve is moving a great deal of weight to the Gilberts region, which doesn't make sense.  I have Wasp and Long Island well to the east of Tarawa.  Warspite is in harm's way, but I need her there a few more turns to cover the arrival of Forward AirCenPac HQ unit.  A CL/DD TF will sortie from Tarawa to see what's up at Makin.

DEI:  Quiet, though lots of reinforcements are on the way to theater.  IJA 21st Div. arrived at Sibolga today, but the Allied troops are all 44 or 45 miles into the move out of the hex.  :)  Oosthaven forts are growing at .04 per day, meaning it will reach level seven in just 12 days.  No further bombings at Palembang.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/5/2011 7:38:43 PM   
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CenPac:  The fox managed to slip into the henhouse to cause havoc.  CL Jintsu TF somehow evaded two Allied combat TFs and savaged two transport TFs - one carrying Forward Air CenPac to Tarawa, the second an empty TF retiring to Pearl Harbor.  The Allies lost a handful of xAP and xAK plus two escorting DD.  Very embarrassing.  Fortunately, one xAK carrying part of the HQ unit made it to Tarawa unscathed and should unload tonight.

SoPac:  Allied SBDs at Pago Pago exacted revenge, sortying against a variety of enemy transports SW of the island.  Included amongst the victims confirmed sunk was a big AMC (25 points) with a second likely to go under.  I think these big and efficient troop carriers are rarities that Japan will miss greatly when and if the time comes to invade Sumatra.

DEI:  Remarkably quiet at the moment.  A big troop transport TF arrives at Cocos tonight, carrying a Port Service unit, Marine raider battalion, and artillery.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/6/2011 11:36:46 PM   
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Japanese Carriers Flooding the Pacific?
 
CenPac:  Patrols report a Japanese CV TF including 3 CV and a CVE (15 fighters 28 bombers, 21 auxillary) well to the NE of Tarawa.  This is dangerous waters - the Allies have a variety of transports (empty and loaded), combat ships and carriers in the general area.  Combat ships and carriers are distant enough to evade, but some transports are likely to catch it.  I'll keep CV Wasp in on the periphery just in case this proves to be a Mini-KB that uses up alot of sorties or loses alot of aircraft to flak.

SoPac:  The other CV TF (believed to consist of Hiyo and Junyo) is down at Nadi.

Das Darf Nicht Var Sein Deja Vu?:  Wouldn't it be criminally negligent for Japan to commit carriers to the Pacific when Sumatra is sitting there in Allied hands?  Obviously, this would mean much more time bought for Sumatra, and this at a time when the Allies are preparing both to reinforce and to put together new offensive options.  The continued heavy IJ interest in CenPac suggests that Steve might be so focused on Tarawa that he's willing to commit to a major, lengthy offensive to reinvade and reclaim.  I can't contest the KB there, so in all likelihood I'll send Wasp up to NoPac to lend a hand there.

DEI:  Major reinforcements coming ashore at Cocos Island.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/7/2011 5:51:53 AM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/7/2011 10:36:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It has been discussed earlier in the thread & I believe the consensus was "it depends." It could make for a very interesting 1944 - if this game gets that far (but I doubt it will) - but doesn't directly effect things in the near term.

What may really come back and bite him in the ass is fuel - he's running ships all around the Pacific (and DEI) with very little to show for it at this time. Of course, he has suffered some significant naval losses thus far, but most of his fleet is still running around & I'm not sure how much longer he'll be able to continue these large scale deployments without regular shipments of fuel coming in from the DEI - and if he doesn't secure Sumatra (at all) - CR is going to be able to start bombing campaign against any refineries or oil fields in range of his fortress.

If Chaz is sending 1/3 of his carrier strength into the Pacific & does make a move on Sumatra with the remainder, it would be a golden opportunity for CR to pounce with his entire carrier strength and destroy him utterly.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/7/2011 2:07:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's probably one thing to not have Palembang. It's something completely different to allow the Allies to fortify Sumatra to the extent that it can support offensive operations into the rest of the SRA, whether that is bombing missions or invasions.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/7/2011 2:16:26 PM   
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Panther Bait, I agree.  That's the real crux of the problem for Japan.

CenPac:  No sign of the IJ CV TF, which is good as I don't particularly wish to lose any more merchant ships in this theater.  A USN combat TF flagged by CL Trenton gets some revenge over at Nauru Island by sinking a DD and xAK and roughing up another five or six xAK.  From a garrison and supply standpoint, the Allies are in good shape at Ocean Island, Tarawa and Baker.  Tabituea is weakly garrisoned and Makin is both weak and low on supply.  The Allies will be landing some USAAF fighters at Canton Island in a day or two.  With these elements in place, and under the belief that the Allies don't need to try to counter a major Japanese naval presence in this region, I'll be sending Wasp north to NoPac to help with the pending resupply/reinforcement missions in the Kuriles (set for August).  I'll leave in CenPac a combat TF or two, perhaps including a CA and BB Warspite.

SoPac:  Hiyo/Junyo are heading back towards Pago Pago.  Steve may land at one of the islands nearby (like Savaii or Wallis), something he should have done long ago. 

DEI:  Transports finish unloading at Cocos, bringing AV up to 160 (a Marine regiment on the way from Capetown will then boost that to 300).  Oosthaven forts to 6.60.  Palembang to 7.09.  No sign of enemy carriers.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/8/2011 10:32:18 AM   
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A massive sea battle at Oosthaven goes very badly (very, very badly) for the Allies.  This will have interesting repurcussions on multiple levels, but before I get into that, I'll give you pertinent excerpts from the combat report.  Bear in mind that Oosthaven is a strongly held Allied base with a CAP of 600+ fighters and many CD guns.  Seeing the approaching combat TF, I reconfigured my combat ships there this turn - consolidating three combat TFs into two stronger TFs under the command of officers with very good ratings.  It wasn't enough....

Round One:
 
Night Time Surface Combat, near Oosthaven at 48,96, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     BB Kirishima
     BB Fuso, Shell hits 4
     CA Maya, Shell hits 2
     CA Haguro
     CA Mogami
     CA Mikuma
     CA Suzuya, Shell hits 3,  on fire
     CL Sendai
     CL Naka, Shell hits 2
     CL Yura
     CL Abukuma
     DD Tokitsukaze
     DD Hagikaze
     DD Asashio
     DD Natsugumo
     DD Yudachi
     DD Hibiki
     DD Yugiri
     DD Yayoi
     DD Nokaze

Allied Ships
     BB Mississippi, Shell hits 28, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
     BB Resolution, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 4,  on fire
     CL Newcastle, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
     CLAA Van Heemskerck, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
     DD Clark, Shell hits 1
     DD Stuart
     DD Voyager, Shell hits 1
     DD Stronghold
     DD Tenedos
     DD Norman, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Round Two:
 
Japanese Ships
     BB Kirishima
     BB Fuso, Shell hits 26,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     CA Maya
     CA Haguro
     CA Mogami
     CA Mikuma
     CA Suzuya, Shell hits 3,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     CL Sendai, Shell hits 1
     CL Naka
     CL Yura
     CL Abukuma
     DD Tokitsukaze
     DD Hagikaze
     DD Asashio, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     DD Natsugumo
     DD Yudachi
     DD Hibiki
     DD Yugiri
     DD Yayoi
     DD Nokaze

Allied Ships
     BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 25, Torpedo hits 3,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     CA Exeter, Shell hits 1
     CL De Ruyter
     CL Adelaide, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     CL Enterprise, Shell hits 2,  on fire
     CL Dauntless, Shell hits 1
     DD Stewart, Shell hits 7,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     DD Arrow
     DD Electra, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
     DD Jupiter, Shell hits 1

Round Three (IJ ships expend more ordinance):

Japanese Ships
     BB Kirishima
     CA Haguro
     CA Mogami
     CA Mikuma
     CL Sendai
     CL Naka
     CL Yura
     CL Abukuma
     DD Tokitsukaze
     DD Hagikaze
     DD Asashio,  on fire
     DD Natsugumo
     DD Yudachi
     DD Hibiki
     DD Yugiri
     DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
     PT TM-10
     PT TM-11
     PT TM-12
     PT TM-13
     PT TM-14
     PT TM-15, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Round Four:
 
Japanese Ships
     BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
     CA Haguro
     CA Mogami
     CA Mikuma
     CL Sendai
     CL Naka
     CL Yura
     CL Abukuma
     DD Tokitsukaze
     DD Hagikaze
     DD Asashio
     DD Natsugumo
     DD Yudachi
     DD Hibiki
     DD Yugiri
     DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
     BB Resolution, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
     CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 8,  on fire
     DD Stronghold, Shell hits 1
     DD Tenedos

Round Five (more IJN ordinance expired, which hurts them later):

Night Naval bombardment of Oosthaven at 48,96 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft losses
     B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed on ground
     P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed on ground
     P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed on ground
     Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
     B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
     Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed on ground
     Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed on ground
     F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed on ground
     139WH-3: 1 destroyed on ground
     L-212: 1 destroyed on ground
     L-18 Lodestar: 1 destroyed on ground

65 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     BB Kirishima
     CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1
     CA Mogami
     CA Haguro
     CL Abukuma
     CL Yura
     CL Naka
     CL Sendai 

Allied ground losses:
     54 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 67

Round Six:

Japanese Ships
     BB Kirishima, Shell hits 9
     CA Haguro, Shell hits 1
     CA Mogami, Shell hits 2,  heavy fires
     CA Mikuma, Shell hits 3,  heavy fires
     CL Sendai
     CL Naka
     CL Yura, Shell hits 2,  on fire
     CL Abukuma
     DD Tokitsukaze
     DD Hagikaze
     DD Asashio
     DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 1,  on fire
     DD Yudachi
     DD Hibiki, Shell hits 1
     DD Yugiri
     DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
     CA Exeter, Shell hits 26,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 1
     CL Dauntless, Shell hits 2
     DD Arrow, Shell hits 17,  heavy fires,  heavy damage

Butcher's Bill:
 
Allied Ships Sunk or Very Badly Damaged: 
 
BB:  Mississippi, Resolution, Prince of Wales
CA:  Exeter
CL:  Newcastle, Adelaide, Van Heemskerk
DD:  Norman Stewart, Electra, Arrow
 
Japanese Ships Sunk or Very Badly Damaged:
 
BB:  Fuso
CA Suzuya (with Mogami and Mikuma afire)
 
Repurcussion Level One:  This is a big naval victory for Japan.

Repurcussion Level Two:  And, yet, Japan suffers further attrition to capital ship lineup.  I think this makes at least four IJN BBs and three CAs (plus the CVL and CVE) sunk in the DEI.  The Allies have now lost four BB and several CA.  So, this IJN victory is perhaps analogous to the British victory at Guildford Courthouse in the American Revolution (the one in which the British commander noted that "another such victory" would ruin him). Japan can't afford to lose any capital ships now.

Repurcussion Level Three:  This battle, following closely upon the recent battle in which another IJN BB was sunk at Oosthaven, leaves the Allies very short of capital ships in the DEI at the moment.  I have one BB at Cocos Island and a separate TF flagged by CA Salt Lake City.  The ships damaged in that previous action just made Colombo and will need anywhere from a few days to a few weeks in the yards.  In three weeks, the Allies will be able to put alot more power on point, but until then the Japanese have a window in which they can assert naval dominance in the DEI.  Will Steve strike?  Ordinarily, I'd say no.  But he may be emboldened by this victory.  On the other hand, he's now going to lament having so many battleships (Yamato and others) committed to Little Vietnam (Pago Pago).

Repurcussion Level Four:  The Allies are short of battleships in the DEI.  At one time we could put eight on point.  Now we've lost four (New Mexico was lost in the recent battle) plus Ramillies has been at Capetown for months, with another 45 days to go.  We still have three, though two need some yard time.  I'm probably going to send North Carolina and Warspite this way from CenPac.  That will leave me Pennsylvania in NoPac and four BBs in West Coast shipyards - all four of them coming back online over the next four to six weeks. 

< Message edited by Canoerebel -- 9/8/2011 10:38:00 AM >

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/8/2011 10:49:34 AM   
obvert


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Status: offline 		I'd say this is an Allied victory, in spite of the losses. The BBs are hard to lose but the other ships are easily replaceable. For Japan however, any BB or CA lost is a major problem. There are no more on the way, and those injured here will be repairing for a month or more.

With half of the IJN concentrated in the Pacific, this means it will take just that much longer to mount any kind of real threat to Sumatra. His window is getting hobbit sized, although not so round and inviting as it once was. Keep throwing steel in his way and in a few months there will be no chance to get on that island short of an airlift, which Japan is not really capable of logistically supporting.

< Message edited by obvert -- 9/8/2011 10:50:20 AM >

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/8/2011 1:10:34 PM   
DOCUP


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Status: offline 		With the way Chez has played so far do you think he will try to exploit your weakness in DEI?  Does he have the troops ready to go in?  Where are your carriers? IMHO this battle was a tactical draw but strategic your victory.  From what I've read of Chez in this AAr he will not try to exploit the situation. 

doc

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 9/8/2011 2:37:37 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		The Allied carriers (all but Wasp and Long Island) are stationed just to the west of Cocos Island (IE, SSW from Oosthaven perhaps 10-15 hexes).

I don't think Steve is particularly ready with troops and invasion ships - just my impression.  More importantly, I think he'll now want to retrieve some of his other battlewagons from the Pacific (huge error on his part to have sent them to the Pacific).  So, my guess is that an invasion of Sumatra isn't imminent.  Nevertheless, I'll be "on guard" assuming that it could come at any moment.

I've got to run errands for awhile, but more about this turn and the situation later today.

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