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Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 5:39:25 PM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 6:35:34 PM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 6:42:41 PM   
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In real life it did happen.

probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 6:56:01 PM   
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In real life it did happen.

probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!


It was the coffee maker.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 7:34:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah - I had an ammunition explosion in one of my invasion loaded AKs off Saigon on turn one But IRL Mutsu exploded in Kure harbour I believe, and there were many other incidents - war is rough and health and safety not such a concern - thank the good lord.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 7:40:46 PM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 8:50:21 PM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 8:53:45 PM   
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But IRL Mutsu exploded in Kure harbour I believe, and there were many other incidents - war is rough and health and safety not such a concern - thank the good lord.


There were a couple of US ammunition ships that spontaneously detonated. IIRC, one was at Kawajalein, and another in Texas. That'll teach ya not to tip your cigarette into the ammunition hoist shaft.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 9:03:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: awadley
In real life it did happen.

probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!


It was the coffee maker.


The company commanders in my division when I was in USN boot camp had a big, 40 cup coffee maker. It was one of the big tank types, and the Senior Chief always called it the boiler. As in, "Yeoman! The boiler's empty!"

I was a divisional yeoman, so I made a lot of coffee over those 8 weeks.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 9:15:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: awadley
In real life it did happen.

probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!


It was the coffee maker.


The company commanders in my division when I was in USN boot camp had a big, 40 cup coffee maker. It was one of the big tank types, and the Senior Chief always called it the boiler. As in, "Yeoman! The boiler's empty!"

I was a divisional yeoman, so I made a lot of coffee over those 8 weeks.



I knew there was something about you I didn't like! I was a company Yeoman (clerk). Div Yeo's were the bane of my existance , as well as my mortal enemy's!

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 9:48:16 PM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/9/2011 11:39:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: awadley
In real life it did happen.

probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!


It was the coffee maker.

And that would call for an emergency return to port at flank speed...

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 12:44:17 AM   
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I was a divisional yeoman, so I made a lot of coffee over those 8 weeks.

I knew yeomans were good for something (ex-mm2(ss))

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 12:50:29 AM   
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probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!


You are assuming that some idiot didn't accidentally put gasoline into the fuel tank instead of diesel. I've had 50 sys damage on a CA in port due to an ammunition explosion. Some dummy dropping a shell or something

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 1:51:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen nuclear ballistic missile subs sit in port an extra day waiting for an ice cream machine to be flown from the US. A failed coffee maker would probably cut a patrol short

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 3:13:23 AM   
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I was a divisional yeoman, so I made a lot of coffee over those 8 weeks.

I knew yeomans were good for something (ex-mm2(ss))


Reminds me of butter bars being nothing but chewed out go-fers when I was in the Corps. Being a Corporal, it did my heart good to see that.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 7:02:18 AM   
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But IRL Mutsu exploded in Kure harbour I believe, and there were many other incidents - war is rough and health and safety not such a concern - thank the good lord.


There were a couple of US ammunition ships that spontaneously detonated. IIRC, one was at Kawajalein, and another in Texas. That'll teach ya not to tip your cigarette into the ammunition hoist shaft.


Don't forget some ammo loaded ships that exploded in Pearl Harbor in 1944 that severely disrupted the Saipan and Marianas landings. Most folks related that to the second Pearl Harbor disaster during WW2, it is also one of those incidents like Port Chicago that is an unknown event except for some die hard historians.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 10:23:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read a story about the Pearl one from one of the last survivors only just 2 or 3 years ago. And I've been studying WW2 since I was 13-14 y.o. Hell I've been watching youtube vids of tanks still being pulled out of swampy areas in Poland and the Pripet Marshes as of 08-09. Some were the early war ones like a Stug III with a short 75.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 10:57:43 AM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 4:11:22 PM   
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Don't forget some ammo loaded ships that exploded in Pearl Harbor in 1944 that severely disrupted the Saipan and Marianas landings.


I'd never heard of that. Were there two big ones in 1944 then... one at Kwajalein and one at Pearl? Or did I just get the place wrong?

Something new! Thx!

Edit: I was thinking of the USS Mt. Hood disaster at Majuro, not Kwajalein. Apparently the PH one was the "West Loch Disaster."

Yikes!

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 4:36:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe the West Lock disaster at Pearl was a bunch of LSTs. I think six were destroyed.

As for mine handling explosions, being sent to a ACM in my game is a death sentence reserved for the most heinous crimes {chasing the admiral's daughter, spilling the "boiler" before the captain has had a cup.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 5:29:33 PM   
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I was a divisional yeoman, so I made a lot of coffee over those 8 weeks.

I knew yeomans were good for something (ex-mm2(ss))


Just my duty during boot camp. I was an AT1 (well, ATAA - AT1) for the next 10 years.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/10/2011 6:46:16 PM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 12:45:17 AM   
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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 1:16:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a list of some World War II era conventional explosives accidents on ships:

USS Mount Hood (AE-11)- On 10 November 1944 the ammunition ship exploded in Seeadler Harbor at Manus Island with an estimated 3,800 tons of ordnance material on board. Mushrooming smoke rose to 7,000 feet (2000 m), obscuring the ship and the surrounding area for a radius of approximately 500 yards (500 m). Mount Hood's former position was revealed by a trench in the ocean floor 1000 feet (300 m) long, 200 feet (60 m) wide, and 30 to 40 feet (10 to 12 m) deep. The largest remaining piece of the hull was found in the trench and measured no bigger than 16 by 10 feet (5 by 3 m). All 296 men aboard the ship were killed. The USS Mindanao (ARG-3) was 350 yards (320 m) away and suffered extensive damage, with 23 crew killed, and 174 injured. Several other nearby ships were also damaged or destroyed. Altogether 372 were killed and 371 injured in the blast.

West Loch Disaster - On 21 May 1944 an ammunition handling accident in Pearl Harbor destroyed six LSTs and 3 LCTs. Four more LSTs, ten tugs, and a net tender were damaged. Eleven buildings were destroyed ashore and nine more damaged. Nearly 400 military personnel were killed.

Bombay Docks Explosion - On 14 April 1944 the SS Fort Stikine, carrying around 1,400 long tons (1,400 t) of explosives (among other goods), caught fire and exploded, killing around 800 people.

Japanese battleship Mutsu - While anchored near Hashirajima on 8 June 1943, the battleship was cut in two by an unexplained detonation of the magazine for #3 turret. The bow sank quickly, but the inverted stern remained afloat for 14 hours. There were 353 survivors of the 1474 aboard during the detonation.

Casablanca - On 13 September 1939 the French cruiser Pluton exploded and sank while offloading naval mines in the port of Casablanca, in French Morocco. The explosion killed 186 men, destroyed 3 nearby armed trawlers, and damaged 9 more.

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 6:43:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you read this link (and its a long read), you will see that collisions, groundings, and other accidents were far more common than some would beleive. Note, this listing is confirmed actions, i.e verified by enemy sources. I think if we had this level of non-combat casualties in AE, people would be screaming.

Official USN Chronology of WWII

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 7:15:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		i thought also of the Texas City ship explosion, but that happened in 1947. a liberty-type freighter carrying >2,000 tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer caught fire, then left a hole, killing 581.

less conventionally, a German LBA night port-attack ruined a 30-ship convoy unloading in Bari, Italy on 2 Dec 43. One of the 17 ships sunk carried 2,000 mustard-gas bombs. the chemical agent from the bombs got loose in the water, where it mixed easily w/ fuel-oil. many sailors, rescuers & first-responders were contaminated. due to the secrecy of the shipment, doctors didn't know to de-clothe & wash down these people, who suffered unexplainable burns, blindness & death. an unknown number of civilians got caught from (thankfully) limited airborne exposure.

the Bari disaster could've been much worse, the port was closed down for 6 weeks. i've read that the US was stockpiling poison gas (in the form of artillery shells) for possible use in the invasion of the Home Islands - now there's something to program into the next AE upgrade - after 12/44, a .01% chance that a freighter explodes, & throws a random 10-90% damage to every ship, air, land & facility in the hex.


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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 8:00:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've had the ACM & CMs with mine explosions but I cannot recall having any other ships damaged by the explosion. I guess what surprises me is that when there is some sort of ship explosion in a port, there should probably be a chance of damaging other ships of a similar class considering how they were often tied up in port (i.e. West Loch Disaster). An ACM may be the exception because it would likely blow up doing its job but a CM?

Just a thought.

Has anyone seen any DCs blow up on deck or is it just mines?

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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 8:15:03 AM   
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i've only scanned a few pages from your link, but it's led me to some thoughts:
- a need to spend PP for allies to enjoy full use of some French bases. for example, Noumea wasn't exploited fully by the Allies until Halsey took command. (Frank writes that Ghormley "never confronted Vichy officials" regarding docking, warehouse & office-space problems.)
- there's no heavy weather pounding on one's ships, nor random damage possibility during docking, refueling at sea, or transiting shallow-water hexes.
- & what about aircraft ops losses, are they increased by weather effects in the base, target or transit hexes?

i like the way one's ships are randomly degraded by time at-sea, & the way that this damage is increased at full speed, but decreased at cruise. but our ships don't need regular yard-time maintenance, a feature i remember from S&T's WitP. imo, air sgns don't suffer the historical ops losses, airframe maintenance, morale loss, or supply usage. LCUs rebuild according to availability of pool replacements, but rarely require extended R&R down-time before their fatigue/disruption level is reduced to an acceptable level. Base facility increases are accomplished in far too short a time, unless the engr units are diverted to repair damage caused by enemy action.

no doubt there's a number of things that aren't modeled in the game, mebbe that's a good thing, it's fairly tough enough to play as it is, w/o having to cope w/ add'l probs caused by Typhoon Sally, bad navigation, & decreased unit effectiveness due to a large influx of replacements.



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RE: Never seen this before - 9/11/2011 8:41:55 AM   
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In real life it did happen.

probably a rare occurrence aboard a diesel-powered LCI, though!


It was the coffee maker.



"Sir, we have critical pressure loss in boiler #2, reqest to reduce speed for repairs?"
"What the **** are you talking about?! Keep the diesel at current speed, and be very careful what you say at the moment,...Liutenant..."
"As you wish Sir, I cannot promise anything with only half the coffee available though..."

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