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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 9:20:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bairdlander, don´t you realize nobody here buys the BS you´re peddling? Go find some other place where trolling like this is welcome.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 9:33:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I certainly did not mean to draw out the drama.

My apologies for being naive enough to think perhaps the board could keep it entirely civil.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 9:42:57 PM   
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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 10:00:09 PM   
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It was probably my fault.  I expressed my personal feelings and that seemed to set a couple of folks off.  I should probably have just not posted.


I saw nothing wrong with what you posted , then again I'm not an enabler or sympathizer of people that wish to do free people harm.
As much as we'd hate to admit it there are people that enjoy freedoms that others provide that cower to Jihadist instead of taking a stand against them even if it's relatively anonymous.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 10:17:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was home (day off) looking out my apartment window in Alexandria Virginia, talking to my wife on the phone (who was stationed in the Pentagon) when the 1st plane hit the world trade towers. A short time later she called back and we were discussing it when the phone line went dead, and I looked out my window to see a huge greasy smoke plume rising up from the hill that the Pentagon stood behind. It was an interesting next couple of days. Later I learned that my spouse had got out allright (as had most of the people I knew there). But it was a pretty disturbing couple of hours.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 11:09:22 PM   
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I was at work.  The boss said "Go Home".  We did. A very humble and sad day   "God Bless America".



I was at home my boss called and said get into work.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 11:09:34 PM   
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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 11:10:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was on my way to work listening to Howard Stern when all this went down....Listened to the them as it happened...Surreal..... No one at work knew about it till I brought it up and they dragged an old small tv out to watch...I really felt sorry for my Palestinian co-worker......Especially when my boss started with the "nuke 'em all, lets make an parking lot out of the Middle East" crap...

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 11:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Was just watching a 09/11 chronology on German TV. Still feels sad and surreal like an Emmerich movie, even it's 10 years ago.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 11:36:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		9/11/01 I was on my way to my doctor's office which happened to be along one of the major highways going to the Pentagon (Washington Blvd I seem to recall the name being?). They had closed the intersection just before my doctor's office. I turned on the radio to find out what was going on and the first thing I heard the commentator mention was something about nukes. Needless to say, not having the full context of the statment, I was thinking the worst at that point. IIRC I went home and turned on the news, I don't think I made it to my doctor's office.



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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/11/2011 11:40:34 PM   
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Please close this topic.


OK. But no explaination? No comment? Just Slaakman say's so? Don't you feel the need to give us some reason?

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 2:11:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Too controversial to continue here & I reject the Establishments storyline regarding the perpetrators. So its better to remember the incident somewhere else.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 2:21:29 AM   
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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 2:23:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I was home (day off) looking out my apartment window in Alexandria Virginia, talking to my wife on the phone (who was stationed in the Pentagon) when the 1st plane hit the world trade towers. A short time later she called back and we were discussing it when the phone line went dead, and I looked out my window to see a huge greasy smoke plume rising up from the hill that the Pentagon stood behind. It was an interesting next couple of days. Later I learned that my spouse had got out allright (as had most of the people I knew there). But it was a pretty disturbing couple of hours.



Dang...that is quite a story.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 2:46:20 AM   
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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 3:20:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

Too controversial to continue here & I reject the Establishments storyline regarding the perpetrators. So its better to remember the incident somewhere else.



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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 3:40:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "establishment storyline" is accepted by about 99.7% of sentient adults west of the Bosporus...just so you know.

A new opinion poll shows surprisingly high levels of doubt in the UK over the official story of the 9/11 attacks. The poll, conducted by ICM on behalf of BBC, found that more people agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks.

Of those who expressed an opinion 37% agreed that rogue elements in the American intelligence services may have made a decision prior to 9/11 to allow a terrorist attack to take place. Richard Clarke, White House anti-terror co-ordinator at the time, said recently that the 9/11 attacks could have been foiled but for an explicit agreement within the CIA to withhold vital information from him and the FBI. Clarke says he cannot explain this behaviour. At the time the CIA were prohibited by law from operating in the US.

The results are mirrored by a HEC poll published today in France showing that 58% have doubts compared to 31% percent who accept the official story. Half suspect that US authorities deliberately allowed the attacks to take place while a third suspect they were implicated in the execution of 9/11.


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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 3:51:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bairdlander


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "establishment storyline" is accepted by about 99.7% of sentient adults west of the Bosporus...just so you know.

A new opinion poll shows surprisingly high levels of doubt in the UK over the official story of the 9/11 attacks. The poll, conducted by ICM on behalf of BBC, found that more people agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks.

Of those who expressed an opinion 37% agreed that rogue elements in the American intelligence services may have made a decision prior to 9/11 to allow a terrorist attack to take place. Richard Clarke, White House anti-terror co-ordinator at the time, said recently that the 9/11 attacks could have been foiled but for an explicit agreement within the CIA to withhold vital information from him and the FBI. Clarke says he cannot explain this behaviour. At the time the CIA were prohibited by law from operating in the US.

The results are mirrored by a HEC poll published today in France showing that 58% have doubts compared to 31% percent who accept the official story. Half suspect that US authorities deliberately allowed the attacks to take place while a third suspect they were implicated in the execution of 9/11.





It was only a matter of time before the "U.S. is evil" nonsense came up.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 3:59:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bairdlander


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "establishment storyline" is accepted by about 99.7% of sentient adults west of the Bosporus...just so you know.

A new opinion poll shows surprisingly high levels of doubt in the UK over the official story of the 9/11 attacks. The poll, conducted by ICM on behalf of BBC, found that more people agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks.

Of those who expressed an opinion 37% agreed that rogue elements in the American intelligence services may have made a decision prior to 9/11 to allow a terrorist attack to take place. Richard Clarke, White House anti-terror co-ordinator at the time, said recently that the 9/11 attacks could have been foiled but for an explicit agreement within the CIA to withhold vital information from him and the FBI. Clarke says he cannot explain this behaviour. At the time the CIA were prohibited by law from operating in the US.

The results are mirrored by a HEC poll published today in France showing that 58% have doubts compared to 31% percent who accept the official story. Half suspect that US authorities deliberately allowed the attacks to take place while a third suspect they were implicated in the execution of 9/11.



Just go to hell. Go straight to hell.

Edit. I'm a retired Army officer. I had friends in the Pentagon on 9/11. Fortunately, none died. I had friends in Afghanistan. One died, maybe more. 9/11 conspiracy theorists are fools and tools who can kiss my ass.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 5:00:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bairdlander


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "establishment storyline" is accepted by about 99.7% of sentient adults west of the Bosporus...just so you know.

A new opinion poll shows surprisingly high levels of doubt in the UK over the official story of the 9/11 attacks. The poll, conducted by ICM on behalf of BBC, found that more people agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks.

Of those who expressed an opinion 37% agreed that rogue elements in the American intelligence services may have made a decision prior to 9/11 to allow a terrorist attack to take place. Richard Clarke, White House anti-terror co-ordinator at the time, said recently that the 9/11 attacks could have been foiled but for an explicit agreement within the CIA to withhold vital information from him and the FBI. Clarke says he cannot explain this behaviour. At the time the CIA were prohibited by law from operating in the US.

The results are mirrored by a HEC poll published today in France showing that 58% have doubts compared to 31% percent who accept the official story. Half suspect that US authorities deliberately allowed the attacks to take place while a third suspect they were implicated in the execution of 9/11.




You will note I did stipulate "sentient adults", not the underachieving descendants of Neanderthal.

That the FBI did not coordinate well with the CIA IS the "establishment storyline". There are about 50 pages on this alone in the 9/11 Commission Report. It is not a conspiracy, it is the default MO of the two agencies.

This thread is about shared experiences that affected an entire generation. Please don't pollute it with your puerile "you know who did it" fantasies.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 5:20:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the problem of sharing intelligence was well documented in post - 9/11 investigations. But it dates back further to 9/11, to the USS Cole incident, the African embassy attacks, and earlier AQ attacks. In each case, someone had information that could have potentially led to a plot being uncovered before it was acted upon.

In many ways it is like Pearl Harbor, where some conspiracy theorists believe the US allowed Pearl Harbor to be bombed, but the evidence shows something else -- that we knew the Japanese were going to attack somewhere and soon, but we did not piece together that the attack was going to be a largescale air attack on Pearl Harbor, even though evidence was there and in the end, people figured the puzzle out, just hours too late.

If one wants to talk real concerns, though, consider British society. One wonders if British society as we know it will even exist in 50 years. It seems as if they are willing to sacrifice the very soul of their society on the altar of diversity. But then that's another subject I guess.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 5:29:13 AM   
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If one wants to talk real concerns, though, consider British society. One wonders if British society as we know it will even exist in 50 years. It seems as if they are willing to sacrifice the very soul of their society on the altar of diversity. But then that's another subject I guess.



As long as my friends across the pond have Dr. Who and tea and girls with sexy British accents, the British aren't going anywhere!

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 7:08:39 AM   
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Well I certainly did not mean to draw out the drama.
My apologies for being naive enough to think perhaps the board could keep it entirely civil.


You've been registered here since 2007. Can you tell me honestly that you didn't expect... at the very least, the usual vocal minority/feud to show up HERE?

That's not naivety. It's downright [insert negative and/or derogatory adjective here].

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 7:44:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		The documnetary following the fireman that day is harrowing...hearing the bofies hit the roof in the lobby..and knowing many of those Firemen where going to their deaths...also the jumpers and those at the windows was \is heartbreaking. A day no one will forget.

Oh JW being a Brit I agree 100%...but it's been going on now for years...we have no culture anymore...it's dead and gone...

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 8:54:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

Too controversial to continue here & I reject the Establishments storyline regarding the perpetrators. So its better to remember the incident somewhere else.


You know your conspiracy nonsense is not welcome here. You know we´re not buying it. So will you PLEASE take it - and yourself - somewhere else, preferably permanently?

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 9:16:40 AM   
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A new opinion poll shows surprisingly high levels of doubt in the UK over the official story of the 9/11 attacks. The poll, conducted by ICM on behalf of BBC, found that more people agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks.



Give it a rest. No-one cares what you think.


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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 9:27:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

You will note I did stipulate "sentient adults", not the underachieving descendants of Neanderthal.

So, according to you, all non-African people aren't sentient adults? That's racist.

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ORIGINAL: JW


quote:

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

The WTC terrorist attacks were clearly the fault of the Iraqi people.Even though all the hijackers were Saudi Arabians.Nevertheless the Iraqi people had to be punished for these attacks (which they had nothing to do with) based on the fact that they "might" do something to harm America they had to destroy them first.We will never know what the true intentions of the evil Iraqi's were.Remember they were part of an organization called "The Axis of Evil".Same goes for the laws enacted after 911 of holding people indefiantly without charges,tapping phones and spying on people in the US.Its for your own protection.Its to prevent something that "might" happen.Its called freedom.If you dont like it move to Russia.


Nice bit of nonsense.

Could you point the parts of his post that are false according to you?

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The "establishment storyline" is accepted by about 99.7% of sentient adults west of the Bosporus...just so you know.

A new opinion poll shows surprisingly high levels of doubt in the UK over the official story of the 9/11 attacks. The poll, conducted by ICM on behalf of BBC, found that more people agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks.

Of those who expressed an opinion 37% agreed that rogue elements in the American intelligence services may have made a decision prior to 9/11 to allow a terrorist attack to take place. Richard Clarke, White House anti-terror co-ordinator at the time, said recently that the 9/11 attacks could have been foiled but for an explicit agreement within the CIA to withhold vital information from him and the FBI. Clarke says he cannot explain this behaviour. At the time the CIA were prohibited by law from operating in the US.

The results are mirrored by a HEC poll published today in France showing that 58% have doubts compared to 31% percent who accept the official story. Half suspect that US authorities deliberately allowed the attacks to take place while a third suspect they were implicated in the execution of 9/11.



The amount of truthers is scary. They are basically manufactured by a few crazies/cynical manipulators that probably make a lot of money on selling their theories.

And I love all the manipulative stuff stuff like "The designer of the building said that it should be able to withstand a hit of 100 Boeings 737s" (Yeah, it's not like he was exaggerating or actually didn't say it or something like that.) "This architect has mysteriously went missing on 9/11" (Except that the mystery is more about whenever he was crushed, burned or asphyxiated by the 9/11 attack, not about whenever he was thrown into a river with concrete shoes or is being kept in some CIA prison or whatever).

Or completely ignorant statements like "The movie is a fake because there's no flash from fireball on the shaded part of the building." (Which conveniently ignores the fact that fire from burning fuel isn't a brighter source of light than daylight, even on the shaded part of the building.)

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ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel


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ORIGINAL: JW

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

Didn't they already kill over 10 Jihadists per every person killed in WTC and Osama Bin Laden?
How much would be enough? 100 per every victim? 1000? 10000?


All of them. They're at war with us, whether we care to admit it or not.



Beer for JW.

The only good Jihadi is a Dead Jihadi.

The main problem with Jihadis is that they seem to share this philosophy. Still, how exactly would you kill all Jihadi? Wouldn't it require taking over whole Middle-East or something like that? Which in turn would require waging war against whole Middle-East? And would create greater instability that would give Jihadi a free reign to murder tens of thousands of innocent people like in Iraq? Not to mention that at least one of these countries possesses nuclear weapons.

So, do you really think killing all the Jihadi is possible or is it just your wishful thinking?
If yes, then how would it happen? If no, then what's the point of complaining that there wasn't enough of them killed?

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The documnetary following the fireman that day is harrowing...hearing the bofies hit the roof in the lobby..and knowing many of those Firemen where going to their deaths...also the jumpers and those at the windows was \is heartbreaking. A day no one will forget.

Yes. It's like the world got darker that day.

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ORIGINAL: wodin

Oh JW being a Brit I agree 100%...but it's been going on now for years...we have no culture anymore...it's dead and gone...

Sorry to hear about your country.

Recently I've seen news that the Polish government wants to import Chinese and Indians because Poles aren't breeding enough. From one side it seems that they have thought through it pretty well (not importing Africans and Middle-easterners and not importing people from neighbouring countries), on the other hand I can't help an impression that maybe they should make sure that Polish people have enough money to be able to cloth, feed and educate more than one kid per pair first before engaging in this sort of dangerous social engineering.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 12:26:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		We were on holiday in Lucca, Italy when it happened. Italians & tourists alike gathered around tv's in bars which usually show some football game, but had now switched to continuously covering what was happening. The mood was more angry and quiet than worried.

The simple fact that so many people remember exactly what they were doing at the time shows that this was one of the defining moments of this generation. Our "Pearl Harbour"

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 2:11:02 PM   
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Was at a LAN- Party (around 3-4 PM in Germany)and saw it on the PC. we thought thats some kind of new "Roland Emmerich Movie" in the first Seconds. Saw the 2nd Plane flying in the 2nd Tower.

I am proud that the ONLY Solidarity Demonstration in the whole Muslim World with the Victms was in my Country, Iran. So while others were happy and gave Sweeties to People on the Street, thousends of Iranian went on the Street in absolut Silence.

My Wife and me will put 2 Candles on Fire today in a Church and i pray for the Families of the Victims and also for the US Troops around the World.


I joined that day too (I was invited by Ozrel). The forum wars were insane back then. There were some real disgusting comments about America and Americans deserving or bring these attacks upon themselves back then.

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RE: 9-11-2011 - 9/12/2011 2:34:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I NEVER mentioned conspiracy theories(which have all been debunked and I dont beleive in).I just find it interesting that more and more people in Europe think there was more to the story then we have been told.That does not mean they beleive in theories.I should have mentioned as well what I wrote was a quote from CNN website.

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