Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

If you have PDU off then acceleration really does not have a great impact as with it On as you will not be able to use the accelerated planes execpt in those squardons that upgraded to them historically. So acceleration only really comes into it's on when PDU is on. Of course it will be On for both sides, so choise wisely .

Against a human Allied player, I would suggest to make the game more 'even' (not that it really can be lol) would be to play with PDU Off. While you will be able to produce better aircraft faster with PDU On, the Allies can create some very good squadrons with better planes too. I've played it both ways and both have their advantages and disadvantages so it is really up to the player(s) involved. 

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

As far as quanity of plane types go you are correct.

The issue I have with PDU On against a human player is that the Allies can take the few squadrons of the good planes that exist, like the B24s, P38s etc. and build very highly effective groups by allocating their very best pilots in them (say 70-80+ range). So even though you get a fixed amount as the Allies, you can make every one of the better plane types be far more effective that it would appear.

I am in early 43 and for the last 3-4 months I have had 60-70 B24s and 30-40 P38s wrecking havoc. This is because with PDU On everyone of these planes are flying versus having to wait for a squadron to become available that can be upgraded to these types.

So if the Allies are getting 20 P38s a month all 20 can be put in action every month with PDU On. With PDU Off, using these would be dependent on the proper squadron being available to accept them, so the Allies may have to wait several months to used these planes. This to me is why PDU should be Off when not playing against the AI. Maybe even against the AI too lol. It would depend on how effective the AI would use the ability to change airframes at will.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

As far as quanity of plane types go you are correct.

The issue I have with PDU On against a human player is that the Allies can take the few squadrons of the good planes that exist, like the B24s, P38s etc. and build very highly effective groups by allocating their very best pilots in them (say 70-80+ range). So even though you get a fixed amount as the Allies, you can make every one of the better plane types be far more effective that it would appear.

I am in early 43 and for the last 3-4 months I have had 60-70 B24s and 30-40 P38s wrecking havoc. This is because with PDU On everyone of these planes are flying versus having to wait for a squadron to become available that can be upgraded to these types.

So if the Allies are getting 20 P38s a month all 20 can be put in action every month with PDU On. With PDU Off, using these would be dependent on the proper squadron being available to accept them, so the Allies may have to wait several months to used these planes. This to me is why PDU should be Off when not playing against the AI. Maybe even against the AI too lol. It would depend on how effective the AI would use the ability to change airframes at will.

Have you actually bothered to check whether with PDU OFF, there is no such squadron available to accept the new P-38 airframes.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: pompack

While the algorithm below has not been explicetly stated so far, it is implied by a number of the posts above. I am just summarizing and simplifying it

1. select a far downstream airframe you want to accellerate, e.g. the Tony Ki100-1
2. trace that airframe back down the factory upgrade path to the next available airframe not yet in production, e.g. the Ki 61-1-d Tony
3. decide what your "sweetspot" is, e.g. 4x30 factories
4. reassign R&D factories until you have the desired number of factories
5. increase each factory until it is at the desired target level
6. run turns until each factory reaches the target level; as each fills out shift it following the factory upgrade path to the final target airframe

Rationale: R&D repair rate is a function of target date where the earlier date repairs faster. Factories shifted along the factory repair path are not reset to damaged.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar
Regardless, it appears that there is some form of a cap on the repair rate for R&D factories that prevents them from ever reaching the 1/day rate that production factories enjoy.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

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ORIGINAL: pompack

While the algorithm below has not been explicetly stated so far, it is implied by a number of the posts above. I am just summarizing and simplifying it

1. select a far downstream airframe you want to accellerate, e.g. the Tony Ki100-1
2. trace that airframe back down the factory upgrade path to the next available airframe not yet in production, e.g. the Ki 61-1-d Tony
3. decide what your "sweetspot" is, e.g. 4x30 factories
4. reassign R&D factories until you have the desired number of factories
5. increase each factory until it is at the desired target level
6. run turns until each factory reaches the target level; as each fills out shift it following the factory upgrade path to the final target airframe

Rationale: R&D repair rate is a function of target date where the earlier date repairs faster. Factories shifted along the factory repair path are not reset to damaged.

Very nice summary. I would like to add one small change at step 6

6. Once the factories are fully repaired, wait until one month before the airframe you are researching becomes availabble.
7. Now switch to the next plane in the R&D sequence, IF and only IF you have the time to accelerate by two months or more. Otherwise skip to the next airframe in the squence.

The changes above will allow you to get better airframes faster rather than having to wait all the way to the last one in squence. This way you could get the A6M5 Zero faster, along with the 5b and 5c, etc. versions. Instead of just going for the last step A6M8 all at once.

While it may be possible to 'skip' a stage by going for the one at the end, I am not sure how pratical it would be. Also, one danger would be that you would have to make damn sure that whatever engine they used would be available too. It would not do to have an airframe accelerated by a year and have to wait six months for the engines to show up, lol.

Upper portion used with permission of www.subart.net, copyright John Meeks

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

In simple terms
(a) A factory will produce a random R&D between 0 and the number of devices in the factory ie 1 device = 0, 2 devices = 0,1, 3 devices =0,1,2, 4 devices = 0,1,2,3, 10 devices = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.

The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

In simple terms
(a) A factory will produce a random R&D between 0 and the number of devices in the factory ie 1 device = 0, 2 devices = 0,1, 3 devices =0,1,2, 4 devices = 0,1,2,3, 10 devices = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.

The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.

So the above explaination is the correct one once q4 is released?

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

For each factory/location, one to 3 R&D points are added to the aircraft development per turn. This is how it has always been.

What this means it that it is not a simple case of how many R&D devices are out there.
For example, if I have 4 cities with each having 2 factories (of 10 active devices) researching a plane, the number of R&D points that turn would range from 8 (4x2x1) to 24 (4x2x3). Even though I have 80 (4x2x10) actives devices, which would be what is reported on most of the industry related screens.

Thus the advance by a month could happen in 13 to 5 days respectively.

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ORIGINAL: darbymcd

hmmm, i see what you are saying, but it is at odds with what what posted in post #50. and seems waaaaay to fast. lets one more time try to get definative answer from michael.