Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

The maximum gain is 3 R&D per factory. The more devices in the factory, the higher chance of getting a '3'. If you had a factory with only 1 device, you would only get 1 R&D.
It is actually a random number (1 to number of devices) and then 1-19 = 1, 20-29 = 2, 30-39 = 3, etc, with it capped at 3.

However, I have gone back to the manual and it clearly states
"Aircraft or Engines with a production capacity that are not yet available will be researched. This may move up the availability of the new aircraft or engine. Whenever a plane/engine would have been produced, the new aircraft or engine will gain 1 development point. For every 100 development points the availability of the aircraft or engine may be moved up one month."

My reading of this would be that it was written based on the way a/c factories work for building a/c; ie R&D could be used with damaged factories. But R&D can't be used until all devices are repaired for a factory.

What is interesting is that this (the code and manual) was not changed from the original stock, so it must have been changed back then.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

In simple terms
(a) A factory will produce a random R&D between 0 and the number of devices in the factory ie 1 device = 0, 2 devices = 0,1, 3 devices =0,1,2, 4 devices = 0,1,2,3, 10 devices = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.

The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.

Upper portion used with permission of www.subart.net, copyright John Meeks

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ORIGINAL: Chris H

There's a problem setting LCU odjectives when lcu type filters are used.

For instance, selecting just Art in a list then picking one to change its objective followed by 'set all' to this objective does not just change the art but all units in the full list.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line you lost me.

1. If there are damaged R&D factories say 5(2) you will always get a point.
2.If there are NO damaged R&D factories 7(0) you will always get 2 points, 1 point because it is <20, + 1 point because it is fully repaired
3. If the factory is 0(7) you get zero points as nothing is repaired

4. So the sweet point for R&D factories would be a fully repaired 20 point factory. Because you would get 2 points for size, +1 for fully repaired for a maximum of 3 points

Is any of the above close to being correct?

1. Damaged factory = NO R&D.
2. 7(0) will produce 1 R&D - 0 because <10, +1 due to fully repaired.
3. Yes.
4. Not quite. 20(0) will give 0 or 1 for factory size, +1 for fully repaired. Total points will be 1 or 2 depending on how favorable the die is to you. 30 is a better sweet point in my opinion.

[edit]
Don't forget that there is a bug in the betas from p8 to q3 that allowed damaged factories to produce R&D.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

30 is a better sweet point in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

...
One tiny '{}' in the wrong place has caused all this confusion.
Go figure

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

My reading of the the a/c factories is that if you just create one device in one factory for R&D, and you finally get to produce the a/c, it will only be building '1' per month.

To maximise the R&D and to give a reasonable production schedule to begin with, I would try for at least 30 devices per factory. And convert multiple factories if really want the a/c.
With 30 devices in a factory, you will (hopefully) get the max R&D (3) per factory most of the time. Which would transalate to an advancement of a month every 34 days.
And then once R&D is finished, it should start producing one plane a day without any further adjustment.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Due to the bug I introduced in beta p8, my earlier premise is incorrect.

The best factory would be 30(0) to get at least 1 R&D a day. The initial R&D value per factory should be just as with normal a/c production.

The next beta q4 will fix this up and put it back to how it was/should be.

Upper portion used with permission of www.subart.net, copyright John Meeks

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Due to the bug I introduced in beta p8, my earlier premise is incorrect.

The best factory would be 30(0) to get at least 1 R&D a day. The initial R&D value per factory should be just as with normal a/c production.

The next beta q4 will fix this up and put it back to how it was/should be.

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Due to the bug I introduced in beta p8, my earlier premise is incorrect.

The best factory would be 30(0) to get at least 1 R&D a day. The initial R&D value per factory should be just as with normal a/c production.

The next beta q4 will fix this up and put it back to how it was/should be.

Okay - just saw this. So are you saying there is no +1 bonus for an undamaged factory after all? In other words, a size 1 factory only has a 1 in 30 chance of generating a point? If so, then clearly 30 is (as has been suspected all along) the ideal factory size to have.

Sorry for all the questions, I'm getting ready to start a game and I want to set my R&D factories correctly from the get go.

Thanks for your time spent enlightening us. :)

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

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ORIGINAL: Chris H

There's a problem setting LCU odjectives when lcu type filters are used.

For instance, selecting just Art in a list then picking one to change its objective followed by 'set all' to this objective does not just change the art but all units in the full list.

The 'Set all' from the LCU screen affects all units in the hex, not in the list. Designed that way from start.
Not sure if it could be done the other way.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Fixed Restored fully repaired factory needed before R&D starts [MEM]
Fixed Removed incorrect DL addition for TF patrols [MEM]
Changed Updated RD totals to reflect actual R&D available for a/c and engines [MEM]
Fixed Not all dead group fragments being removed [MEM]
Tweak Changed 'Night ops' on group screen to BLUE to match group lists [MEM]
Tweak Add pool totals on mouse over for a/c and engines on IM [MEM]
Tweak Added some burning fires on land bombing screen for affect [MEM]

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ORIGINAL: Pascal

Thanks again michaelm. Your weekly updates (now q4) are great.

I thought, though, that you had resolved the appearance of restricted air units at an off-map base by allowing an HQ change at that point? My Dutch air units are arriving at Aden fully restricted (HQ is appearing in white).... Is this WAD as they can't go anywhere?

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

If it was done before Q4, I missed it. But I love the new feature of being able to see the "Stacking Cost" for each ground unit under the Troop and Cargo Load in the far left column. It will help both players when it comes to placing them or invading an island and atoll.

KUDOS!!