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T54 June 25, 1942: This is the front lines in T54 before any Soviet movement. Note the tremendous breakout in the South. KLilly has found my weak spot again and is taking advantage of it before I can do much about it. There's some industry in Stalino to rail out still but nothing else is immediately threatened because I've already railed-out the industry he can reach in a turn or two. But still, I've got to do something about the front lines being ripped open like that. No forts to fall-back into and not much of a reserve Army or two. There's some guys in the far north that I could ship down there if only I can spare the rail cap after Stalino gets evacuated.
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This is a close-up of the breakthrough area. There were 96 battles in the Axis half of the turn with 28 "retreated", 8 "held", and 5 "routed" results. The length of the front lines that have to be re-constructed approaches 1,000 miles.....Maybe I should pull-back into the Crimea and forget about having a continuous front line for a while and just make some hedge-hogs or something.
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I got one good look at the South end of the front lines in the animation above and realized I left a hole and moved the rest of the Soviet guys to make the hole go away. Thusly:
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Here's the T57 (16July1942 ) front lines before any Soviet stuff has moved. KLilly broke out of confinement again. This is getting to be a habit. I'm running out of hole pluggers.
If I were in your position, I'd pull back the southern group straight south towards the Crimea and establish a line along the Dnepr to Melitopol.
At the same time strip the north and center using all available rail- forget evacuating factories, and launch a full-scale counteroffensive southwest of Kursk while he is in the open and before he can dig in. Push towards the Dnepr between Sumy and Kiev. Use your APs on Guards Rifle Corps, that will give you the biggest bang for the buck. Push hard and your numbers should be able to prevail.
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS If I were in your position, I'd pull back the southern group straight south towards the Crimea and establish a line along the Dnepr to Melitopol.
At the same time strip the north and center using all available rail- forget evacuating factories, and launch a full-scale counteroffensive southwest of Kursk while he is in the open and before he can dig in. Push towards the Dnepr between Sumy and Kiev. Use your APs on Guards Rifle Corps, that will give you the biggest bang for the buck. Push hard and your numbers should be able to prevail.
Unfortunately, I've already moved the effected units but next turn I will endevor to do that. It's a good idea thanks for the tip. I can use all the help I can get and you've been very helpful in the past for which I'm greatful.
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Remember, he can't be strong everywhere. Don't let him get away with determining the strategic initiative across the entire map. Where you don't have contact with his lines, make contact and find his weak spot, then push hard. While you need to withdraw when he breaks through, you can also make efforts to put pressure on the flanks of his drive to keep him from feeling secure. More Rifle Corps would be a very good thing for you. If you don't have a reserve army or two, start making them, you should always try to have some reserves.
The best time to counter-attack is definitely while he's still on the move, before he can fortify. Don't let him cut off and destroy the forces you've withdrawn towards the Crimea. Those can serve a very good purpose in extending his front lines if you manage to fortify them there. You should already have the main entrances to the Crimea fortified, I don't see anyone there right now.
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I see corps in Lapland, stacked frontlines in the North and Center, an entire pink Front NW of Velikiye Luki which is having a holiday as 90% is in reserve: all in at least 2 million troops that can be used to stop this. It is clear that all of his offensive power is in the south, yet you are maintaining enormous reserves up north.
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ORIGINAL: Flapdrol I see corps in Lapland, stacked frontlines in the North and Center, an entire pink Front NW of Velikiye Luki which is having a holiday as 90% is in reserve: all in at least 2 million troops that can be used to stop this. It is clear that all of his offensive power is in the south, yet you are maintaining enormous reserves up north.
Yes, you are quite correct. I've already started railing troops south. It's clear that more troop power needs to be sent south. Good catch and thank you.
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins Remember, he can't be strong everywhere. Don't let him get away with determining the strategic initiative across the entire map. Where you don't have contact with his lines, make contact and find his weak spot, then push hard. While you need to withdraw when he breaks through, you can also make efforts to put pressure on the flanks of his drive to keep him from feeling secure. More Rifle Corps would be a very good thing for you. If you don't have a reserve army or two, start making them, you should always try to have some reserves.
The best time to counter-attack is definitely while he's still on the move, before he can fortify. Don't let him cut off and destroy the forces you've withdrawn towards the Crimea. Those can serve a very good purpose in extending his front lines if you manage to fortify them there. You should already have the main entrances to the Crimea fortified, I don't see anyone there right now.
Yep, I need some strategic reserves....that much is clear. I'm short on AP's at the moment but as soon as I can I'm going to start building Rifle Corps and put them to use pushing against Axis weak spots. The pounding that took place during the '41-'42 winter has to continue so as to put pressure on the Axis manpower, which I'm pretty sure is a good place to hit the Axis since he's not very well suited to any manpower surge anytime soon. I need to pull all those guys in the Crimea south and fortify the entrance to the peninsula for sure. Thanks for your interest etc.
Now's the time to be bold. Pull every single guards rifle division and rifle corps out of the line which is north of Kursk, rail them south and throw them into the attack. Seriously, gathering over 50 rifle divisions and hammering a frontal area of 80-100 miles is not out of your capability. Pour in the cavalry and tank units to exploit. Keep attacking and bleed those German divisions white.
And don't forget to have support units attached to all your corps.
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS Now's the time to be bold. Pull every single guards rifle division and rifle corps out of the line which is north of Kursk, rail them south and throw them into the attack. Seriously, gathering over 50 rifle divisions and hammering a frontal area of 80-100 miles is not out of your capability. Pour in the cavalry and tank units to exploit. Keep attacking and bleed those German divisions white.
And don't forget to have support units attached to all your corps.
You guys talked me into it. Okay, twist my arm, I'll do it. I've already started attacking SW of Kursk and got some good results too.
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