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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:01:14 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:09:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that was no fun at all. Okay so we lost a CV, 2 more damaged more or less. The dmage to the BBs was linmited to the poor old R class ships. We still have 3 CVs, Repulse and another modern USN BB (? Dakota?).

We don't have the turn yet but I still think we've come out on top and they've shot their last bolt for now. Now we can get Otter going. Or not.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:15:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's basically the entire IJN combined fleet you've just encountered (save Yamato and a handful of others perhaps). Most are going to be hors de combat for some time, so I agree with you there.

What the heck happened to the Australia? Single large caliber shell touch off her mags?

What're your airframe losses on the day?

ETA: Looks like North Carolina is your token modern American battleship to pull through unscathed. Pray tell how a modern BB emerges from a gunfight at night unscathed whilest its charges are put to the rack and burned to the waterline?

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:21:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be honest, I don't remember why Australia went down so quickly.

I don't have an airframe loss count yet, still waiting for the turn file. This was fun though:

Morning Air attack on Daly Waters , at 76,131

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 24



Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged


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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:21:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, IJN committed 3 BBs and they've all taken a severe battering.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:23:54 PM   
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Pray tell how a modern BB emerges from a gunfight at night unscathed whilest its charges are put to the rack and burned to the waterline?


I dunno but on the next run ashore at Perth that crew is going to take a beating from the Ramilles ship's company, as well as the crews of a couple of CVs who will be wanting a word with them.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:24:15 PM   
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Yep, IJN committed 3 BBs and they've all taken a severe battering.

Will you remind your loyal readers of the World's Worst AAR (TM) of capital ship losses to date for both sides? I don't recall what went down over a year ago in the battles for New Scotland, et. al.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 10:27:00 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 11:04:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it must have been "movie night" on North Carolina.

I dont think she fired a shot.

Bloody annoying.

We still have 3 prewar BB's and North Carolina in the area and the equivalent of two carriers (total of 150 plane capactiy).

We can put 50% F4F's and 50 %SBD's on the 3 carriers, get the worthless torepdo bombers out of there, create an new surface TF around North Carolina, and have the viable carriers follow North Carolina to the NNW 3 or 4 hexes and try to kill crippled BB's.

Meanwhile the surface group escorting 32nd ID can link up with the PH landing force and we keep going.

I think Broome was beat up pretty bad this last turn even though the B-24's refused to fly again.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 11:08:36 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 11:16:32 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/20/2011 11:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno but the skipper of the North Carolina is going to have his horroscope read to him.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 12:04:12 AM   
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A young Ensign has been sent to rouse the Captain from his slumber. He is notoriously ill-tempered when tired...the Captain, not the Ensign. The snoring sound from within is truly epic. The Ensign gulps hard and preapres to knock on the door. Just then a large caliber round screams overhead. He winces. The Ensign, not the Captain. In fact, he needn't have winced because the shell was aimed at Hornet where it sliced easily through the hanger deck.


<from inside the room>

GOD DAMNIT! I AM GOING TO KEEL HAUL THE GODDAMN SUMABITCH MAKING ALL THAT GODDAMN NOISE BY MY GODDAMN US NAVY CAPTAIN'S CABIN.!!!!!!!!!!

<The Ensign thinks back painfully to that false alarm about the periscope sighting 5 days ago. He flashes a look like he does not know whether to **** or wind his wrist watch, pauses briefly then scurries quietly away>

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 8:20:38 AM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 1:58:53 PM   
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1) North Carolina does not have to rearm because she fired only one salvo from A turret. Hardly does Chicago either because she fired only 3 salvos from her stern turret. Australia will never have to rearm because she blew up from a single hit.

2) None of the Amphib groups were hurt.

3) Cornwall, Resolution and Ramilles should all survive unless the subs get them.

4) Wasp has almost no major damage and will not need dry dock.

5) At least one Jap CV (more likely 2) sank last turn as 34 Zeroes, 31 Vals and 9 Kates were destroyed "on the ground"

6) Kongo is claimed, not so sure about that one.

7) Cpt. Tenant's task force and Repulse are unscratched.

8) The surprise Jap surface raid at Norfolk Is. was safely repulsed
and there was no loss among the many loaded AP's there.

The bad news:

Hornet AND Enterpise sank.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:02:02 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:04:25 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		The Sallys were killed in the air over Daly Waters by P-40's

Not sure where those Lillys were killed. May have been either Broome or Madang which was roughed up by B-17's from Horn Is.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:10:17 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:12:51 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:19:10 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:22:13 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		2 fast BB's Washington and South Dakota just arrived New Zealand. I could send them although it would leave SouthPac pretty bare of assets after the battle at Norfolk. I have a battle-ready F4F squadron at Auckland that could come over on Long Island.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 2:53:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is also this from Port Headland. Quite a potent JJ ground force. The small Allied force ashore gave out quite a bit of punishment. No CD guns at PH.


Japanese assault odds: 369 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
972 casualties reported
Squads: 57 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 31 (24 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
500 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2


Assaulting units:
56th Engineer Regiment
56th Recon Regiment
65th Brigade
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Infantry Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
22nd Air Flotilla
30th Fld AA Gun Co
51st JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
2nd British Div /4
22nd (East African) Bde /1
7th RAN Base Force /2

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 3:03:57 PM   
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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 3:12:57 PM   
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I guess the sight of the combined allied fleet heaving anchor and scurrying away gave the grunts some encouragement to dig holes fast!

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 3:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK..just checked it out. We can field about 44 F4F's between the 3 operable carriers without replenishing the squadrons. We have quite a few SBD's at Carnavon in good shape.

PH airfield is at 65% runway damage. Broome at about 25%. JJ has at least one carrier operable.

We can't go back to PH yet. I think we will have to replenish the F4F squadrons. This is problematic as I dont know how long the air effort can last. I will move some medium bombers from Fiji. We might be able to get Wasp ready as well.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 3:30:26 PM   
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I say we go back to PH now.


It is a close call. I can support that. maybe the weakest F4F squadron can fly off to Geraldton to refit..we loiter for a day out of Zero escort range from Broome (14 hexes) and bring up the BB's and 32nd ID, bomb Broome and PH airfields again for a day and move in.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 3:40:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both Tennant's TF and the recently converted surface TF around North Carolina could use torps.

I'd say rearm them at Geraldton..get new commanders.....and them have them catch up with the amphib groups and the carriers. Meanwhile we bomb Broome for another day. I think we will need 32nd ID at PH.

This is personal now. I just want to kill every LYB we can get our hands on.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 3:49:43 PM   
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I say we go back to PH now.


It is a close call. I can support that. maybe the weakest F4F squadron can fly off to Geraldton to refit..we loiter for a day out of Zero escort range from Broome (14 hexes) and bring up the BB's and 32nd ID, bomb Broome and PH airfields again for a day and move in.


"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - Patton

Getting the rest of those boys into Port Hedland now will make them feel like the biggest battle they could muster didn't even slow you down.

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RE: Lost opportunities.... - 9/21/2011 4:03:58 PM   
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