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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/20/2011 11:25:57 PM

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/20/2011 11:42:18 PM

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Not sure I'd put it all down to luck GJ. He knows you bombard those bases regularly and risked that you wouldn't keep doing so. You made the right move. One caution, though. Be careful about basing too much at Ndeni, especially disbanded in port. As you can see from today's events, the base is still potentially vulnerable to air attack.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:02:31 AM

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Well, was indeed luck in the sense that i couldn't hope to catch all those planes on the ground just when they were warming their engines...
However rader did really played with his fortune...was a gamble and he lost the roll&dice.

We won't get scared and we will keep on pushing.
His BB/CAs remains at Rabaul. I sent more fighters to cover Ndeni and the nearby bases.
However i only had the old Missisipi BB and 10 DDs in port, while the rest of my fleet was divided in TFs and anchored...just not to risk

We'll now bomb again Thousands with Wichita TF, while our 4Es will visit Russell....while 2 more combat TFs (with BBs in them) will move towards Tulagi.

We're slowly grinding down his air assets...now the KB has lost again a number of pilots and planes...for sure Rader is now struggling with pilots quality...and those 100+ georges caught on the ground are gold in my pockets!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:11:41 AM

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Not sure I'd put it all down to luck GJ. He knows you bombard those bases regularly and risked that you wouldn't keep doing so. You made the right move. One caution, though. Be careful about basing too much at Ndeni, especially disbanded in port. As you can see from today's events, the base is still potentially vulnerable to air attack.

IDK Cribtop .. maybe his plan was to use a BB as bait and sucker those Jills into the death

What an air victory!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:12:56 AM

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In few days we'll be able to equip the first USAFF squadrons in the solomons with the P-47D. This, in conjuction with the P-40Ns coming online will give more more power to my air defence so i'll be slowly able to start to move a bit forward our attacks against his bases. The idea is to slowly make his front line bases inoperative and, in the end, useless.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:28:32 AM

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I took a look at the last 2 air battles (Karaikira - few days ago, and Ndeni - today).
In both occasions we achieved an incredible 1-10 kill ratio!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:41:59 AM

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I took a look at the last 2 air battles (Karaikira - few days ago, and Ndeni - today).
In both occasions we achieved an incredible 1-10 kill ratio!

Take a look at CombatReporter -- Pilot, and check how many aces were crowned those 2 days ... It would be interesting to know. Also, I understand this kind of kill ratio is only possible with highly trained and experience pilots meet rank amateurs. CT, Nemo, or CR have a comment? This might be the sign of the stress now placed on the IJA & IJN air forces. I have not seen that kind of kill ratio with my 50 exp pilots vs. the KB in 1942. The IJN keeping at 3-1 when he meets my inexperience .. this kill ratio is even worse in reverse . Just my newbie thought .. the Japanese air force is throwing mere boys in to do a man's job ..

Great job GreyJoy!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:48:04 AM

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I took a look at the last 2 air battles (Karaikira - few days ago, and Ndeni - today).
In both occasions we achieved an incredible 1-10 kill ratio!

Take a look at CombatReporter -- Pilot, and check how many aces were crowned those 2 days ... It would be interesting to know. Also, I understand this kind of kill ratio is only possible with highly trained and experience pilots meet rank amateurs. CT, Nemo, or CR have a comment? This might be the sign of the stress now placed on the IJA & IJN air forces. I have not seen that kind of kill ratio with my 50 exp pilots vs. the KB in 1942. The IJN keeping at 3-1 when he meets my inexperience .. this kill ratio is even worse in reverse . Just my newbie thought .. the Japanese air force is throwing mere boys in to do a man's job ..

Great job GreyJoy!

The squadrons that were involved in the battle of Ndeni weren't "crack" ones...They were all in their 55 exp, 70> air skill and 60 def (trained in 5/6 months of training) but none of them was an ace. Probably only a couple of them have more than 3 kills.... now we have some 11 new aces and lots of higher experienced pilots. In fact of all the 5 squadrons involved only 5 pilots were KIA!

For sure his KB pilots aren't the pre-war elite ones...pretty sure about that. But it's also sure that my pilots are all very good, even those who are "green", meaning that they haven't seen a real air combat in the whole war....i keep a deep aye in the training thing and when i reach the 70 air skill i always switch them to strafing so that their exp grows and the def skill too

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:51:27 AM

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Good CAP but those Jill losses are impressive. For some reason I thought dive bombers had to be above 11,000 feet to dive bomb. maybe that's that optimal altitude, whatever, his good pilots seem to be gone.If you get get clear of some of his land based air your carriers are more than a match for his. Nicely done. A lucky turn maybe, but fourtune favors the well prepared. I beleive your beating him about 2 to 1 in air losses and you pilots are probably an order of magnitude better than his. I belive earlier in this AAR you quoted your opponent as saying he could win an air war of attrition. I wonder if he still feels that way now? Every one of those aircraft represents resources and fuel to transport them. Nicely done

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 12:57:49 AM

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Good CAP but� those Jill losses are impressive.� For some reason I thought dive bombers had to be above 11,000 feet to dive bomb.� maybe that's that optimal altitude, whatever, his good pilots seem to be gone.If you get get clear of some of his land based air your carriers are more than a match for his.� Nicely done.� A lucky turn maybe, but fourtune favors the well prepared.� I beleive your beating him about 2 to 1 in air losses and you pilots are probably an order of magnitude better than his.� I belive earlier in this AAR you quoted your opponent as saying he could win an air war of attrition.� I wonder if he still feels that way now?� Every one of those aircraft represents resources and fuel to transport them.� Nicely done

Yes, we're winning 2-1 in total air losses and in pilots quality, i believe, the difference is evem higher.
My USAFF and USMC squadrons (those involved in India and in the Solomons) are really Top Gunners and at least 6 Australian air groups are achieving the same impressive results, both in terms of kills and in terms of survivability. I tend to be more carefull on how i use my crews...keep the fatigue low and never expose my top-groups to "escort" missions.
Now my Navy pilots are somehow lower in quality cause i never used them extensively....but they are good nonetheless
Not to talk about the brits....i have 100 british pilots that are above the 80 exp level!...and in november i'll start to produce SpitVIIIs again

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 1:39:03 AM

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Good CAP but� those Jill losses are impressive.� For some reason I thought dive bombers had to be above 11,000 feet to dive bomb.� maybe that's that optimal altitude, whatever, his good pilots seem to be gone.If you get get clear of some of his land based air your carriers are more than a match for his.� Nicely done.� A lucky turn maybe, but fourtune favors the well prepared.� I beleive your beating him about 2 to 1 in air losses and you pilots are probably an order of magnitude better than his.� I belive earlier in this AAR you quoted your opponent as saying he could win an air war of attrition.� I wonder if he still feels that way now?� Every one of those aircraft represents resources and fuel to transport them.� Nicely done

The Jills are torpedo-bombers, not DBs - so probably 10k is the best altitude for them, as any lower and they'll tend to go in within range of LAA. Judies would probably have been a "better" option, AA aside; they're at least faster than the Wildcats. Not that it'd have helped much, I guess...

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 1:47:40 AM

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The KB retired to lick her wounds...and our subs, put into the right positions, got an unlucky turn....

see u tomorrow for more updates...

night guys

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 3:02:16 AM

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You know, CAP trapping at Ndeni and elsewhere isn't a bad idea, but I'd probably pull the old Mississippi out of the equation and leave him sniping at agile old DDs.

Asked to comment on the air battle, so I will. I think with Greyjoy getting 10-1 kill ratios against KB without using his Allied aces tells you a lot about Rader's pilot quality. You would think that whatever Rader has left in terms of quality would be on KB, and thus that GJ's B team just splattered Rader's A team, surely a good sign.

However, it is possible that Rader has gone so all in on air frames, and thus has such a surplus in planes, that he chose to offload his good pilots, put rookies on the CVs, and send them on this dangerous mission. I wouldn't really rate this as likely, but it is possible.

Bottom line - I think it's safe to say that the Allies have had enough Karachi, Ndeni, and Tulagi Turkey Shoots that Rader must be hurting. If his back isn't broken yet, it will be soon.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 4:06:24 AM

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great turn. Yea he's got to be hurting in the pilot department. Keep it up GJ, Keep pounding his bush.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 5:15:56 AM

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Well done, sir. You've set up a pretty good meatgrinder there in the Solomons. Now if only you had Task Force 58 nearby to put the kibosh on the KB.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 8:07:42 AM

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Greyjoy, how do you count your killed pilots? Do you just manually scan through the squadrons or what?

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 8:17:52 AM

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July 8, 9, 10, 11 1943

So as the KB retires towards Truk and Rader's BBs remain at Rabaul, or campaign of terror against his front line bases continues.
On the night of the 8th we naval bombed again Thousands Ships Bay, while on the day of the 9th our 4Es, despite a stiff resistance by 100 of his fighters on LRCAP, mauled back Russell Is.

On the night of the 10th the allies put a little further the line of fire, hitting hard Rekata Bay. It's the first time we hit this very important base (AF 7) and the first time our bombardment groups go beyond the Russell-Thousands-Auki line.
On the very same night another lighter bombing group made a bombing passage on Auki.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 10, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Rekata Bay at 113,134

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M3a Zero: 36 damaged
     A6M3a Zero: 10 destroyed on ground
     Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 105 damaged
     Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 15 destroyed on ground
     A6M5 Zero: 88 damaged
     A6M5 Zero: 8 destroyed on ground
     E13A1 Jake: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
     BB Massachusetts
     BB South Dakota
     BB North Carolina
     CA San Francisco
     CL Denver
     CL Columbia
     CL Detroit
     CL Raleigh
     DD Jarvis
     DD Blue
     DD Monssen
     DD Grayson
     DD Gwin
     DD Bache
     DD Aulick
     DD Abbot

Japanese ground losses:
     343 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 37 destroyed, 26 disabled
        Engineers: 9 destroyed, 5 disabled
     Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 15 (5 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 82
Port hits 27
Port supply hits 4

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Night Naval bombardment of Auki at 115,136

Allied Ships
     CL Montpelier
     CL Leander
     DD Lamson
     DD Cummings
     DD Dunlap
     DD O'Brien
     DD Hammann
     DD Woodworth
     DD Duncan
     DD Eaton
     DD Beale
     DD Fletcher

Japanese ground losses:
     52 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 56
Port hits 25
Port supply hits 7

Now, on the day of the 12th, Rader has finally moved one of his SAG TF (seems to be composed by BBs) to Vella la Vella. I don't know if it's his usual movement of deception or if this time he will try to engage at Tulagi...we will be ready anyway.
In order to prevent any surprise, we've moved the TF that bombed Rekata Bay to Lunga (with an AKE that is supposed to rearm the 16inch guns, while all other guns have already been rearmed at Tulagi this turn), supported by a TF led by CL Montpellier and CL Leander. At Tulagi will wait another BB TF, composed by 2 modern BBs, CA Hawkins (recently returned to service after the battles of early june) and Witchita, 3 Cleveland Class CLs and some 9 Fletcher Class DDs, along with an Heavy Cruiser TF (5 old CAs + 10 old DDs) and another TF composed by BB Missisipi, 3 Old CAs and 8 DDs.
CAP will be provided by 170 Crack fighters based at Tulagi (Range 0), 280 fighters based at Lunga (Range 1) and 160 based at Karaikira (Range 3).
150 Liberators will bomb Thousands Ships Bay just in case.
Subs all around the possible access to the TLT area.
Heavy night naval search ordered.

Interesting to note that the first P-38H squadron is now operative on Karaikira, while another one is arriving at PH in these days.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 8:19:53 AM

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Greyjoy, how do you count your killed pilots? Do you just manually scan through the squadrons or what?

Yes mate. Usually i take first a look at the air losses and see what kind of plane has been involved. Then, knowing which squadron was operating, i check every single squadron and see if a KIA/WIA/MIA is reported.
Obviously i'm doing this only for the fighter squadrons....whi cares about the transport plane guys???

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 8:37:25 AM

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 8:39:42 AM

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String: An easier, although less informative, way is to see how many MIAs, WIAs and KIAs you have for the turn on the Top Pilots page at the bottom.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 8:50:00 AM

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String: An easier, although less informative, way is to see how many MIAs, WIAs and KIAs you have for the turn on the Top Pilots page at the bottom.

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Yes, but then you will never know if you have lost 10 useless (with all due respect) c-47 pilots that are involved into the air bridge over Lunga or if you have lost 10 fighter aces or 10 crack torpedo pilots... better to check

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 10:26:48 AM

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There is a KIA/WIA/MIA total for the turn in the top pilots screen. Bottom left if I recall correctly.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 10:53:52 AM

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253 airframes and 310 engines for him to replace over two turns (not counting those that might be so damaged that they are written off), he cannot be happy about that

Well done GreyJoy!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 11:02:33 AM

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253 airframes and 310 engines for him to replace over two turns (not counting those that might be so damaged that they are written off), he cannot be happy about that
Well done GreyJoy!

Terje

Thx mate

welcome back!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 3:01:51 PM

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253 airframes and 310 engines for him to replace over two turns (not counting those that might be so damaged that they are written off), he cannot be happy about that
Well done GreyJoy!

Terje

Thx mate

welcome back!

Never left, but I know to stfu when there are wiser ppl talking

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 3:13:29 PM

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You know, CAP trapping at Ndeni and elsewhere isn't a bad idea, but I'd probably pull the old Mississippi out of the equation and leave him sniping at agile old DDs.

Asked to comment on the air battle, so I will. I think with Greyjoy getting 10-1 kill ratios against KB without using his Allied aces tells you a lot about Rader's pilot quality. You would think that whatever Rader has left in terms of quality would be on KB, and thus that GJ's B team just splattered Rader's A team, surely a good sign.

However, it is possible that Rader has gone so all in on air frames, and thus has such a surplus in planes, that he chose to offload his good pilots, put rookies on the CVs, and send them on this dangerous mission. I wouldn't really rate this as likely, but it is possible.

Bottom line - I think it's safe to say that the Allies have had enough Karachi, Ndeni, and Tulagi Turkey Shoots that Rader must be hurting. If his back isn't broken yet, it will be soon.

That is my newbie thought and why I asked for the comments. More so GreyJoy has been fighting this very tough campaign, but rather than a gradual lessening of resistance -- I am seeing signs of sudden collapse. Carrier aircraft unable to defend I have to think is a sure sign of a general depletion of pilot resources. I would think the results of GreyJoy's air campaign moving forward would indicate if this is true. If the air attacks are able to continue this pace without resistance I believe this is confirmed. If this extends into Japan proper, I can see the B-29's in 1944 reducing the IJ industry to rubble.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 3:38:17 PM

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You know, CAP trapping at Ndeni and elsewhere isn't a bad idea, but I'd probably pull the old Mississippi out of the equation and leave him sniping at agile old DDs.

Asked to comment on the air battle, so I will. I think with Greyjoy getting 10-1 kill ratios against KB without using his Allied aces tells you a lot about Rader's pilot quality. You would think that whatever Rader has left in terms of quality would be on KB, and thus that GJ's B team just splattered Rader's A team, surely a good sign.

However, it is possible that Rader has gone so all in on air frames, and thus has such a surplus in planes, that he chose to offload his good pilots, put rookies on the CVs, and send them on this dangerous mission. I wouldn't really rate this as likely, but it is possible.

Bottom line - I think it's safe to say that the Allies have had enough Karachi, Ndeni, and Tulagi Turkey Shoots that Rader must be hurting. If his back isn't broken yet, it will be soon.

That is my newbie thought and why I asked for the comments. More so GreyJoy has been fighting this very tough campaign, but rather than a gradual lessening of resistance -- I am seeing signs of sudden collapse. Carrier aircraft unable to defend I have to think is a sure sign of a general depletion of pilot resources. I would think the results of GreyJoy's air campaign moving forward would indicate if this is true. If the air attacks are able to continue this pace without resistance I believe this is confirmed. If this extends into Japan proper, I can see the B-29's in 1944 reducing the IJ industry to rubble.

It may be true. We'll see how good his pilots are when we'll start to sweep on regular basis his AFs.
However to use B29s against Japan industry you first have to get in range...which is not going to happen in this case untill 1945

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 3:57:13 PM

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Keep up the good work GreyJoy, fun to watch this evolve over time and your playing style. Enjoying!

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 4:29:41 PM

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Thanks Jeffk! My pleasure to have you here reading this story

However, forgot to tell you that i've ordered the TF including BB Indiana and Washington (plus CA Wichita and Hawkins) to "sweep" Thousands Ships Bay, followed by the 5 Old CAs TF. Both of these 2 TFs will move by night from Tulagi and should get back to Tulagi on the very same night.
I gave this particular order (so no naval bombardments this turn) cause i feel that Rader could move his BBs right to Thousands in a "sweep" mission, instead of going to Tulagi (where waves of PTs are waiting for him), in order to hope to catch my BBs during a bombardment run and so get the upper hand...
Lee "Ching" is in charge of this Task Force....the best of the best in the allied field...all my in-board float planes have been set to night Naval search at 3 hexes and every ship has the best captain i could spare...
Night CAP is provided by 8 Kingfisher and 9 Aircobras...shoud be enough.

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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak - 9/21/2011 9:53:15 PM

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July 12, 13 1943

Rader is playing with me....
His BBs remain at Vella Lavella...while his KB is back at Rabaul... It seems that he's luring me into a naval battle "away" from my bases and under the threat of the KB...
I won't eat this bait...
We've now divided our surface forces in 5 different TFs. 2 Cruiser TFs will bomb Thousands, while a strong BB TF will act as a covering force...just in case he will send his BBs to sweep...
Then another CA TF will bomb russell, covered by a mixed TF composed of a BB, 2 CLs and 10 DDs.
Our 4Es (that were grounded this turn) will bomb Auki.
All my TFs will retire to Karaikira after completing their missions.
Subs and PTs will try to interdict the possible enemy BB movement...

I'm sniffing something in the Aleutinas...lots of volume traffic there....and the 25th Jap Division prepping for the base close to Attu Island....(Shamrkawhatever Island)

The first P-40N1 squadron is operative at Karaikira....we'll soon see what these guys are able to do

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