Slitherine

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Just turn OFF production at the refinery. Load ships, turn back on day after they leave.

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Very true......a more useful game exploit is to drain the SRA primary ports like an Exxon Tanker at a Monster Truck Rally....then dump all those fuel points in Oz allowing extended operations there months ahead of schedule. Never saw the point of shipping Oil to Oz. It's economy pretty much runs itself. (I wish the same could be said of the Japanese economy!)

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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Unfortunately, now that I have taken so many tanker losses, that is a steep penalty, perhaps I'll go half way and route them west of Diego Garcia and then straight down until I can angle them into Perth. Most of the hits have been within about 8-10 hexes of Colombo.

I drained as much fuel and oil as I could out of the DEI early on and that has delayed the problem (or at least my realization of the problem) for about 9 months.

I find most of the fuel out of LA gets gobbled up by the USN and I can only keep a trickle going into Sydney from LA after keeping about 500K in Perl (I have drained PH in an earlier game and it took weeks to get it back up), it seems I can burn up 80-90K at Perl in a couple of turns when the fleet returns from a major operation. I try and keep both Canton and Suva at ~ 100K and Noumea is thirsty most of the time. I know I need to work on that balance but I still don't think there is scope for large fuel runs from LA to Sydney. Oil is out of the question as was pointed out earlier.

Edit: at least in 42, perhaps more able to build up later but the fleet just keeps getting bigger so...

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

not so sure i'd agree. I found that the AE logistics works very well when an Allied player takes the time to schlep the fuel (and also build up SoPac base ports) from the US to Oz along the fabled Oz-USA supply tether that King was so worried about. Without exploiting the SRA specifically or using the new Western off map portals, it took roughly the same amount of time to build up a decent reserve as was the case in real life.

But the point i was making referred specifically to the SRA which starts off with something on the order of 1,000,000 usuable fuel points sitting in the various major points. A typical Player two tactic from Turn 1 on is to start loading that fuel and shipping it away. Done it myself. I turned Perth and Hobart into huge fuel caches before Player one was even halfway to Java. Player one can counter it a little by rushing KB back to the SRA and having them "patrol" south of Java but it's a coin toss if you nab that really juicy mega-convoy but has the disadvantage of nailing down your primary asset and leaving other areas on the map vulnerable to counter-attack. In my last game i refrained from doing the Logistical Sir Robin and felt it kept the operational pace as Player two much more realisitic. Just my two cents. On the subject of Oil......never saw an signifigant advantage to sending it to Oz or anywhere as Player two for that matter.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

On the DEI oil - where was the oil above and beyond that which can feed the local refineries going? I'm sure it wasn't being stockpiled for the Japanese to capture, so shipping it out seems more than just fair, it seems the only reasonable course.

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As for DEI fuel, there is a little of the point about oil (more was being produced than could possibly be used locally, so that must be intended for export). But mostly I think it's a hindsight issue rather than an exploit. Both players have lots of 'hindsight items' to their benefit. I'm cool with not loading up everything at first - waiting until later to "try" and get a lot more out, but that depends on what your opponent is doing. It seems a lot of IJ players go for deep choke points that are also purely hindsight-enabled opportunities.

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

not so sure i'd agree. I found that the AE logistics works very well when an Allied player takes the time to schlep the fuel (and also build up SoPac base ports) from the US to Oz along the fabled Oz-USA supply tether that King was so worried about. Without exploiting the SRA specifically or using the new Western off map portals, it took roughly the same amount of time to build up a decent reserve as was the case in real life.

But the point i was making referred specifically to the SRA which starts off with something on the order of 1,000,000 usuable fuel points sitting in the various major points. A typical Player two tactic from Turn 1 on is to start loading that fuel and shipping it away. Done it myself. I turned Perth and Hobart into huge fuel caches before Player one was even halfway to Java. Player one can counter it a little by rushing KB back to the SRA and having them "patrol" south of Java but it's a coin toss if you nab that really juicy mega-convoy but has the disadvantage of nailing down your primary asset and leaving other areas on the map vulnerable to counter-attack. In my last game i refrained from doing the Logistical Sir Robin and felt it kept the operational pace as Player two much more realisitic. Just my two cents. On the subject of Oil......never saw an signifigant advantage to sending it to Oz or anywhere as Player two for that matter.