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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 11:54:36 AM   
modrow

 

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Shouldn't the subject rather be something like

"Allied TF misbehaviour ?"

anyway ?

Just my 2cts

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 12:38:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		In an attempt to cheer myself up here are the IJNs major unit losses so far:






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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 12:39:22 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 1:29:42 PM   
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"Kab" Calloway is in command of the North Carolina taffy. He may need the witness protection program too.

In fairness, the DD's in the force are virtually out of ammo.




Dude...Cab needs some serious inspirational lift. May I inquire why you have an SCTF commander with a 35 rating here? What's his aggression and naval ratings? "Naught"?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 1:32:30 PM   
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"Kab" Calloway is in command of the North Carolina taffy. He may need the witness protection program too.

In fairness, the DD's in the force are virtually out of ammo.




Good thing you didn't not commence any action against the North Carolina skipper.

Section 6.3.5 of the manual comments on what causes a TF to retreat from combat. They retreat when a single ship in the TF is down to less than 1/3 of normal main gun ammo left. Almost certainly, one of the DDs is the culprit.

Alfred

Yes, but were they out of ammo before engaging in the previous action or after engaging more recently. In any case, Alfred, it's a bad idea-IMO-to leave an underskilled Captain in a place of such import.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 1:43:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, but think of the dramatic possibilities in the forthcoming film currently being scripted by Cap Mandrake. For example, the skipper of the North Carolina wakes up in the morning and notices a white feather on his forehead.


  • who placed the white feather
  • how did they gain access
  • will the officer entrusted with the investigation into who is the culprit, suffer a conflict of interest


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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 2:05:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sprior
In an attempt to cheer myself up here are the IJNs major unit losses so far:







Here are the problems with that....Kongo I think still lives because a sub took a shot at her North of the Lesser Sundas and Kaga was identified in the carrier group that attacked on the 12th. Soryu is quite possible. Kirishima was hit pretty badly so I doubt she would have been sent back on the 12th...but it might be Hyuga.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 2:06:43 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 3:23:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Ah, but think of the dramatic possibilities in the forthcoming film currently being scripted by Cap Mandrake. For example, the skipper of the North Carolina wakes up in the morning and notices a white feather on his forehead.


  • who placed the white feather
  • how did they gain access
  • will the officer entrusted with the investigation into who is the culprit, suffer a conflict of interest


Alfred

And is it the same rascal that has been breaking into the ship's store and stealing all the strawberries?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 3:28:15 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 3:37:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yorktown and Illustrious were able to escape owing to their superior speed over Kirishima which was likely further slowed by a torp from an Albacore yesterday.


Cleverly, we have steered JJ into an asymmetrical conflict. There are no naval air attacks except for some Hudsons from Geraldton which go after Atago but miss.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 3:43:31 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 3:51:29 PM   
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We don't have a drinking problem.

We drink. We fall down. No problem.


Now...we need to fix up Yorktown, get all 3 fast USN BB's to Geraldton, repopulate the air groups, (which are mostly intact), bomb the stuffing out of the Japs at PH, continue to suppress Broome and Wyndham, rest the troops at PH and somehow try to prevent Jap resupply of PH.

We will go back to PH in about two weeks with Wasp, Yorktown and Illustrious, a new vanilla patch and a bunch of supply and we will WIN, damnit, as God is our witness.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 3:56:55 PM   
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Cleverly, we have steered JJ into an asymmetrical conflict


It was deliberate, right?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 4:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		How do we prevent the resupply/reinforcement of PH in the interim?

Until we have the carriers ready, I can see these options.

1) Land based air from Meekathara, Carnavon and (possibly) Exmouth. Exmouth will reach level 2 before the return of the carriers. Carnavon should be 3-4. There is already a naval attack-trained B-25 squadron at Meekathara. There is also a B-17 squadron with moderate naval attack skill. We can call in USAAF pilots from across the realm with naval attack skill.

2) Submarines.

3) Mines..ehh

4) PT boats opearting from Exmouth. That will piss them off.

5) The threat of carriers.

6) The threat of surface groups sprinting in from the West.

7) Port Headland airfield will NOT be rebuilt, Morelia boys or not.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 4:07:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sprior

quote:

Cleverly, we have steered JJ into an asymmetrical conflict


It was deliberate, right?


Why..yes...now that I think about it...of course! Think of their hubris. They will have terminal victory disease. We can't lose!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 4:10:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Exmouth would be a good base for some torpedo bombers, force them to escort everything in.

Boats we got. Perth is a good base for them too.

Mines, schmines

I like pissing them off, it must be our turn to do that by now.

Got any thing we can make look like carriers whilst we patch up the ones we do have?

Sprinting but only with shiny new ships in harm's way.

Let's see how they react. They obviously knew we were coming, which is fine, but now we have them reacting to us - which is a Good Thing. I think we hurt them pretty bad.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 4:37:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		What do you think about assaulting Corruna Downs by air. We can't get substantial supply in that way but we may be able to take the hex next to PH as an emergency "tactical redeployment" route. Also, if we were able to drive the Japs off the road to Corruna, we could redeploy the engineers to Corruna from PH and build up a level one airfield.

As for carrier subterfuge, we do have Long Island and Copahee. Put soem F4F's and TBF's aboard and they start to look like carriers. They could putt around near Carnavon and allow themselves to be spotted.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 4:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exmouth would indeed be a good spot for Beauforts but it needs to be level 2 and have an air HQ.

Here are USAAF naval attack trained pilots. It will take a week or so to get them to the groups in Oz.




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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:12:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Cleverly, we have steered JJ into an asymmetrical conflict.


Damn brilliant, man! Good on you! Clearly your brilliant gameplay is on display here. From my uneducated perspective, it looked like a real dog's breakfast at work here. Shows you what I know, eh? Again, Jolly good work, mate. Jolly, jolly good.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:14:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Exmouth would indeed be a good spot for Beauforts but it needs to be level 2 and have an air HQ.

Here are USAAF naval attack trained pilots. It will take a week or so to get them to the groups in Oz.




Aren't your Beauforts torpedo-capable? Got any pilots in the pools that are NavT qualified?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:17:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Cleverly, we have steered JJ into an asymmetrical conflict.


Damn brilliant, man! Good on you! Clearly your brilliant gameplay is on display here. From my uneducated perspective, it looked like a real dog's breakfast at work here. Shows you what I know, eh? Again, Jolly good work, mate. Jolly, jolly good.


Oh...I'm kidding of course. I've just been a little uppity after seeing all those lovely nice IJN flight decks damaged. They're works of art, darn you...have you no respect?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 6:16:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Ever wonder what an 18 inch round does to an AK with rusting rivets?



Waives hand furiously while bouncing up and down in his seat "Ooo, Ooo, I know, I know!"

"The captain of the Yamato is reprimanded for spending more in ammunition than the enemy ship was worth!"

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 6:18:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

What do you think about assaulting Corruna Downs by air. We can't get substantial supply in that way but we may be able to take the hex next to PH as an emergency "tactical redeployment" route. Also, if we were able to drive the Japs off the road to Corruna, we could redeploy the engineers to Corruna from PH and build up a level one airfield.



Great idea. Remember to quick march a unit from there to PH to flip control of the hex side in PH. Hex sides control direction of retreat and flow of supply. Right now your forces likely control none as they came from the sea.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/9/2011 5:59:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		RE Beaufort torp's, depends on the model. A lot of the early ones don't (or at least don't seem to since I updated to the beta.)
Do you have anything prepped for an area away from the fighting that you can either
a) grab on the cheap due to the lack of Japanese LBA and surface assets or
b) make a lot of noise around to pull the wee jap dobbers away from PH, i.e. dangle a bigger ballsup (I mean prize) in front of their noses.
or c) A small undefended jap dot base that you can occupy so that you get a morale boosting Huzzah!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/9/2011 8:42:19 AM   
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RE Beaufort torp's, depends on the model. A lot of the early ones don't....



Correct. See the link below which explains a liberty had to be taken with history to encourage players not to overly abuse the game mechanics (prevent a flood of uber Torpedo Bombers when historically they took some time to become operational....)

RE: Allied TB question



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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/10/2011 3:17:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Reg


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ORIGINAL: Itdepends

RE Beaufort torp's, depends on the model. A lot of the early ones don't....



Correct. See the link below which explains a liberty had to be taken with history to encourage players not to overly abuse the game mechanics (prevent a flood of uber Torpedo Bombers when historically they took some time to become operational....)

RE: Allied TB question




Oh, sure. Hamstring the good guys defending democracy and unbridled capitalsim.

We have 5 Beaufort VIII available to the RAAF so far and there is one squadron with good torpedo skills.

October 15 is a quiet day except for bomber raids over PH, Broome and Wyndham. Wyndham put up two Zeroes in CAP,

Nevada is still beign towed toward Geraldton. She was pumping out the flood damage, but last turn it went the other way. Uggh.

A couple Coy of Marines land on Merauke by APD at night.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/11/2011 5:05:27 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/11/2011 7:31:15 PM   
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450 Marines of 5th Marine Regt. land at Merauke. They find a guy in a long black gown and a bunch of guys in G-strings but no Little Yellow Bastards. Some aviation support is on its way.

USS Nevada still lives but the crew is amusing themselves catching flying fish jumping over the foredeck.

Yorktown will require 26 days for complete repair at Geraldton. does anyone think it would be quicker at Perth?


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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/11/2011 8:13:13 PM   
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************October 15, 1942*************


... Yorktown will require 26 days for complete repair at Geraldton. does anyone think it would be quicker at Perth?




The Perth shipyard will provide no benefit. However if Perth


  • is a bigger port (it should be) or
  • has more naval support or
  • has fewer ships being repaired


than Geraldton, then repairing the Yorktown at Perth would be quicker.

Alfred

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