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Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 5:09:04 AM

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I have been sending my more seriously damaged ships to Sydney with its shipyard and the less damaged to Noumea. I now have 14 ships at Sydney which have been docked and disbanded. I am wondering if I should send some of the less damaged ships to nearby ports and if that would speed up the repair process. I have in fact already tried to do that and I can't change them from Pierside to Readiness to form a TF & move them if indeed I should do it at all. I would appreciate guidance on how to do that and if I should.

In retrospect, perhaps I should have distributed them first and will probably do that in the future. I sent them to Sydney in large convoys after battles to protect them w/ ASW DDs etc. Once at Sydney, I could split them up in the future as long as I have enough ASW ships tp protect them. There are many Jap subs off the Aussie coast. Two ships are in the shipyard: BB NC, Normal, 97 days & CA SF Normal 5 days. These = 47,434 tons & capacity is 50,000 tons. The NC was torpedoed outside of Sydney by a Jap sub even with DD escort which sank the sub. If I try to increase the priority of any ship above Normal to High or Critical, I get a red message saying the Priority Adjusted Capacity exceeds 50,000 tons so I keep everything at Normal. This is why I am considering moving some of the repairs if it will speed up the process.

As of 9-9-42, the nearby port capacities are: Newcastle 4[2], Port Kembla 3[3], & Brisbane 5[4].

FYI, I have already searched, read the manual, formed my own opinions, & developed options. For those who care to take the time, helpful suggestions are greatly appreciated. Even constructive criticism is considered and if valid acknowledged. Personal attacks are not.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 5:24:12 AM

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In the Southern Hemisphere, you have several ports with shipyards which is necessary for some ship damage and helps distribute some of the work. Auckland has a size 15 SY, Brisbane and Melbourne have size 10 SYs. There are no shipyards down under that can handle a Lexington or a BB, but they can handle most other classes of ships.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 5:32:50 AM

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I have been sending my more seriously damaged ships to Sydney with its shipyard and the less damaged to Noumea. I now have 14 ships at Sydney which have been docked and disbanded. I am wondering if I should send some of the less damaged ships to nearby ports and if that would speed up the repair process.

It might do depending on the type of repairs needed, the type of vessel, Naval support + Tenders at other bases to see Port Repair Assist (PRA). I really need to show you how to make screen shots. I'm going to do a special video on this topic ...
I also note that I don't have one on repairs - so I'll do that too..

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I have in fact already tried to do that and I can't change them from Pierside to Readiness to form a TF & move them if indeed I should do it at all. I would appreciate guidance on how to do that and if I should.

Well going from Pierside to Readiness still has a delay - so you can't form a TF with these ships until their readiness = 0.

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In retrospect, perhaps I should have distributed them first and will probably do that in the future. I sent them to Sydney in large convoys after battles to protect them w/ ASW DDs etc. Once at Sydney, I could split them up in the future as long as I have enough ASW ships tp protect them. There are many Jap subs off the Aussie coast.

Don't be too hard on yourself ... I think you probably did the right thing anyway.

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Two ships are in the shipyard: BB NC, Normal, 97 days & CA SF Normal 5 days. These = 47,434 tons & capacity is 50,000 tons. The NC was torpedoed outside of Sydney by a Jap sub even with DD escort which sank the sub. If I try to increase the priority of any ship above Normal to High or Critical, I get a red message saying the Priority Adjusted Capacity exceeds 50,000 tons so I keep everything at Normal. This is why I am considering moving some of the repairs if it will speed up the process.

This is WAD (working as designed)

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As of 9-9-42, the nearby port capacities are: Newcastle 4[2], Port Kembla 3[3], & Brisbane 5[4].

FYI, I have already searched, read the manual, formed my own opinions, & developed options. For those who care to take the time, helpful suggestions are greatly appreciated. Even constructive criticism is considered and if valid acknowledged. Personal attacks are not.

Need more info here ... as I said previously. PM me if you want me to look at your save file.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 5:34:14 AM

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In the Southern Hemisphere, you have several ports with shipyards which is necessary for some ship damage and helps distribute some of the work.� Auckland has a size 15 SY, Brisbane and Melbourne have size 10 SYs.� There are no shipyards down under that can handle a Lexington or a BB, but they can handle most other classes of ships.

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The OP is playing Guadalcanal ... something he should probably mention

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 7:59:14 AM

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Sydney has the only on board shipyard in the Guadal scenario.
Note also that several Bases have been modified from the stock AE.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 8:19:08 AM

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It might do depending on the type of repairs needed, the type of vessel, Naval support + Tenders at other bases to see Port Repair Assist (PRA). I really need to show you how to make screen shots. I'm going to do a special video on this topic ...

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 8:56:09 PM

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In the Southern Hemisphere, you have several ports with shipyards which is necessary for some ship damage and helps distribute some of the work.� Auckland has a size 15 SY, Brisbane and Melbourne have size 10 SYs.� There are no shipyards down under that can handle a Lexington or a BB, but they can handle most other classes of ships.

Bill

I neglected to say that I am playing the Guadalcanal Scenario so Aukland is not available, Brisbane Port Capacity is listed as 5[4] expanding 25%. I was under the impression that only Sydney has a Shipyard since Noumea, 7[4], doesn't list Shipyard for a repair category. I assume, therefore, that if I put ship there, they will only be at Pierside, not Shipyard, correct?

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 9:04:54 PM

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It might do depending on the type of repairs needed, the type of vessel, Naval support + Tenders at other bases to see Port Repair Assist (PRA). I really need to show you how to make screen shots. I'm going to do a special video on this topic ...

Downloadable tutorial
https://sites.google.com/site/witpextras/home-1/Screen_forum.mp4?attredirects=0
All the other stuff
https://sites.google.com/site/n01487477/Home

... will make the Ship Repair video tomorrow

That would be great. I'm an old geezer who is not a computer geek. I hired people to do my computer stuff in my practice. Now that I am retired, I'm trying to learn. I managed to upload a screenshot from the game to "Paint" but I can't figure out how to upload it here. I'm going to look at your video now.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 9:30:04 PM

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I managed to upload a screenshot from the game to "Paint" but I can't figure out how to upload it here. I'm going to look at your video now.
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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 9:34:10 PM

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EUREKA! You are a genius Damien, and a very helpful one to. Now I have to learn how to crop it. My icons & prompts are not the same as in your video. Thank you so much!

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 9:41:34 PM

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EUREKA! You are a genius Damien, and a very helpful one to. Now I have to learn how to crop it. My icons & prompts are not the same as in your video. Thank you so much!

Here are the other ships for repair at Sydney:

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 11:42:21 PM

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Now, back to the original questions:
1. Should I try to move some of these lesser damaged ships to other nearby ports in order to speed up the repair process?
2. Should I raise the Priority Catagory above Normal for any ship which will put the Priority Adjusted Tonnage [PAT] in the red?
3. Raising the BB NC to High, e.g., shortens the time from 97 days to 59 days but increases the PAT to 86,834, Red. Paradoxically, changing the Priority to Critical yields 97 days, the same as Normal, & is not an option.
4. Raising the Priority Level of the CA SF, the other ship in Shipyard category, would shorten the time from 5 to 3 days freeing up Shipyard 2 days earlier for another ship, probably CA Australia, but raises the PAT to 58,834 tons - Red. Raising it to Critical doesn't shorten the time - also 3 days, not an option.
5. Removing the CA SF from Shipyard [as an example] & replacing it with CA Australia yields the following for the Australia: Normal 21 days tonnage <50,000tons; High 13 days, PAT 58,674 tons; Critical 9 days, 68,544 tons. I plan to put the Australia in Shipyard once the SF is done.

What I have done next is to see of I can put any of the above ships in a TF if I [we] decide the answer to #1 above is "Yes" so that I can move them. I have, therefore, tried to put them in a Readiness" state & will show the 2 screenpics below. Bottom line is that the only one I could get into a TF was DD Dunlap. I tried many different Mission Catagories.

Basically, The "Low Refitting" Ships which I couldn't get to classify as "Readiness" are
1. DD Dunlap - which shows no damage, but will take 6 days yet I can get it into a TF.
2. DD Corngham - which shows no damage, but will take 12 days to refit
3. DD Cummings - which shows no damage, but will take 6 days to refit
4. AO Kaskaskia - which shows only sys damage of 1 but will take 6 days to refit

Those I could classify as "Readiness" yet couldn't get into a TF are:
1. CA Canberra - which shows only Sys damage of 1, 2 days
2. xAK Steel Maker - serious damage, 85#days
3. AP Harris - serious damage, 18# days
4. AP Pres. Bowen - serious damage, 82# days
5. AP Monrovia - serious damage, 33# days
6. AP Little - serious damage, 1# day

To sum up, I plan to leave the BB NC & CA SF in Shipyard, & move CA Australia to Shipyard in 3-5 days when SF is done. I plan to leave all 6 seriously damaged ships at Sydney. I have already moved DD Dunlap into a TF. Now that I have broken things down this way, it may be that the remaining 4 ship only need refitting & can stay at Sydney. So, would it be helpful to try & move a couple of the seriously damaged ships [#2-5 above] to a nearby port & if so how to get them into a TF?

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/18/2011 11:45:08 PM

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Here are the rest of the ships - temporary

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 12:02:32 AM

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EUREKA! You are a genius Damien, and a very helpful one to. Now I have to learn how to crop it. My icons & prompts are not the same as in your video. Thank you so much!

It's not just learning to crop, but also how to resize the canvas as I did in the video - that's why you're leaving a load of white space (canvas area). I realise you're on an older version of windows, but you should be able to do similar in your version of paint.

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ORIGINAL: SPRUANCE74

Now, back to the original questions:
1. Should I try to move some of these lesser damaged ships to other nearby ports in order to speed up the repair process?
2. Should I raise the Priority Catagory above Normal for any ship which will put the Priority Adjusted Tonnage [PAT] in the red?
3. Raising the BB NC to High, e.g., shortens the time from 97 days to 59 days but increases the PAT to 86,834, Red. Paradoxically, changing the Priority to Critical yields 97 days, the same as Normal, & is not an option.
4. Raising the Priority Level of the CA SF, the other ship in Shipyard category, would shorten the time from 5 to 3 days freeing up Shipyard 2 days earlier for another ship, probably CA Australia, but raises the PAT to 58,834 tons - Red. Raising it to Critical doesn't shorten the time - also 3 days, not an option.
5. Removing the CA SF from Shipyard [as an example] & replacing it with CA Australia yields the following for the Australia: Normal 21 days tonnage <50,000tons; High 13 days, PAT 58,674 tons; Critical 9 days, 68,544 tons. I plan to put the Australia in Shipyard once the SF is done.

What I have done next is to see of I can put any of the above ships in a TF if I [we] decide the answer to #1 above is "Yes" so that I can move them. I have, therefore, tried to put them in a Readiness" state & will show the 2 screenpics below. Bottom line is that the only one I could get into a TF was DD Dunlap. I tried many different Mission Catagories.

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Basically, The "Low Refitting" Ships which I couldn't get to classify as "Readiness" are
1. DD Dunlap - which shows no damage, but will take 6 days yet I can get it into a TF.
2. DD Corngham - which shows no damage, but will take 12 days to refit
3. DD Cummings - which shows no damage, but will take 6 days to refit
4. AO Kaskaskia - which shows only sys damage of 1 but will take 6 days to refit

Refitting (upgrade),gives a min.time for that to occur, not just sys damage. Corningham is in shipyard.

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Those I could classify as "Readiness" yet couldn't get into a TF are:
1. CA Canberra - which shows only Sys damage of 1, 2 days
2. xAK Steel Maker - serious damage, 85#days
3. AP Harris - serious damage, 18# days
4. AP Pres. Bowen - serious damage, 82# days
5. AP Monrovia - serious damage, 33# days
6. AP Little - serious damage, 1# day

well you've got to place them in readiness mode. Pierside means they are tied up with engines off ... Change to readiness and in a few days they'll be available to place in TF.

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To sum up, I plan to leave the BB NC & CA SF in Shipyard, & move CA Australia to Shipyard in 3-5 days when SF is done. I plan to leave all 6 seriously damaged ships at Sydney. I have already moved DD Dunlap into a TF. Now that I have broken things down this way, it may be that the remaining 4 ship only need refitting & can stay at Sydney. So, would it be helpful to try & move a couple of the seriously damaged ships [#2-5 above] to a nearby port & if so how to get them into a TF?

Actually, I wouldn't be moving any of the badly damaged ships as they are likely to sink...more when I make that video today ...

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 1:22:04 AM

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More bad news: I have 2 other TFs heading for Sydney with damaged ships.
TF49, 7 ships: 1 CA, 1 CL, 1 CLAA, 3 DDs, 1 xAP. 4 w/ Orange, 1 w/ Red
TF 35, 4 ships: 3 CAs, 2 Orange; 2 DDs, 1 Orange.

I plan to get them to Sydney past the Jap subs then consider sending the less damaged ones to other ports if I have enough ASW escorts. I already have 5 at Port Kembla, 4 with minor damage, 1 with serious damage.

The Good News: The Japs are hurting worse!

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 1:44:22 AM

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You do realise this scenario finishes 2 April, 43 ... some of the longer repairs should be left to just sit there ...

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 1:59:36 AM

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Those I could classify as "Readiness" yet couldn't get into a TF are:
1. CA Canberra - which shows only Sys damage of 1, 2 days
2. xAK Steel Maker - serious damage, 85#days
3. AP Harris - serious damage, 18# days
4. AP Pres. Bowen - serious damage, 82# days
5. AP Monrovia - serious damage, 33# days
6. AP Little - serious damage, 1# day

Pierside means they are tied up with engines off ... Changing to readiness and in a few days they'll be available to place in TF.

Also just double checked and they're whited out. Mouse over the name and you'll see how many days until they're in readiness mode.

Sorry for not being clear.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 2:35:27 AM

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test photo - just trying to see what works - soory to take up space

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 2:42:16 AM

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test photo #2 - how do I get this photo - or similar - under my name on he left - do I check "ad signature" below?

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 2:43:50 AM

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Hmmm - didn't work - try again

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 2:46:50 AM

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test photo #2 - how do I get this photo - or similar - under my name on he left - do I check "ad signature" below?

You need to go to My profile on the top of the page and look at "My Avatar" and "Set up profile photo". Haven't done it in a while so I'm not 100% sure which one

[edit]Also has to conform to certain size

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 2:58:11 AM

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You do realise this scenario finishes 2 April, 43 ... some of the longer repairs should be left to just sit there ...

AT LONG LAST!! I've been trying to find out the finish date. I am now @ 9-9-42. So it's about 200 days left. BB NC has 97 days left @ Normal. 59 days @ High but may have PAT in the red if I have a 2nd CA in the shipyard.. What are the disadvantages of doing that? I want to at least get my BB and CAs back.

Not having much luck cropping so far in Paint. I have Windows XP. Any tips? I'll try to edit it in My Pictures & see what happens.

I'm going to check Add Sig. box below & see what happens.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 3:31:24 AM

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test of uploaded photo - most of the other were too big - see if this works

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 3:33:28 AM

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Hmmm - the photo was successfully up loaded in My Profile - where do it go - it's not on left...

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 4:05:52 AM

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It's not just learning to crop, but also how to resize the canvas as I did in the video - that's why you're leaving a load of white space (canvas area). I realise you're on an older version of windows, but you should be able to do similar in your version of paint.

I think I've figured out how to crop.I put the photo into my Kodak system & cropped it there. Let's see if it works here.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 4:34:55 AM

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Yea! Finally got all the photo details worked out including cropping - I think. Apologies for all the posts, but I had to test it somewhere. Thanks again, Damien. I like this one, also shown above, but it wouldn't fit on left:

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 4:50:31 AM

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You do realise this scenario finishes 2 April, 43 ... some of the longer repairs should be left to just sit there ...

AT LONG LAST!! I've been trying to find out the finish date. I am now @ 9-9-42. So it's about 200 days left. BB NC has 97 days left @ Normal. 59 days @ High but may have PAT in the red if I have a 2nd CA in the shipyard.. What are the disadvantages of doing that? I want to at least get my BB and CAs back.

I haven't played the Guadalcanal scenario, but when I looked in the scenario selection screen, it said the end date is February 8, 1943. So it looks like you only have about 150 days left. You may have to make a choice: repair the battleship and have her for about two months, or repair the cruisers.

Melbourne has a 15,000 ton shipyard, so you can send a cruiser and a couple of destroyers there. You don't have enough shipyard capacity to repair everything at once, so you'll have to decide on your priorities.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 4:55:26 AM

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You do realise this scenario finishes 2 April, 43 ... some of the longer repairs should be left to just sit there ...

AT LONG LAST!! I've been trying to find out the finish date. I am now @ 9-9-42. So it's about 200 days left. BB NC has 97 days left @ Normal. 59 days @ High but may have PAT in the red if I have a 2nd CA in the shipyard.. What are the disadvantages of doing that? I want to at least get my BB and CAs back.

Not having much luck cropping so far in Paint. I have Windows XP. Any tips? I'll try to edit it in My Pictures & see what happens.

I'm going to check Add Sig. box below & see what happens.

There is a repair manager in the game that will manage your shipyards for you. You can put more ships in the shipyard than it can handle - just not any ships that are larger than the shipyard can handle.

If there are more ships in the shipyard (and you do not override), the repair manager will work on them in a set order. Basically major combatants down to merchants. It will fix what it can, moving different ships "into the yards" when it can. Alternately, if there is unused yard capacity the repair manager will increase the priority of ships as it is able to best use the available yard capacity. You may notice that a single ship in a shipyard does not repair faster when you up the priority. That's because the repair manager is already doing that behind the scenes.

The whole thing was set up to run without you doing anything.

But you can use the priority options to control what ships get "first dibs" on repair capacity. For fastest repair of an important ship, put it into the shipyards all by itself and then up the priority to the highest level that can be handled. The screen will tell you. Then use any remaining capacity for smaller ships. Or, you can fill the yards and use "low" priority to designate ships that suck the hind teet.

To be specific. With a 50,000 shipyard you can not put any ships larger than 50,000 tons into the yards. But you can put multiple smaller ships in, even if their combined tonnage exceeds 50,000. The repair manager will sort it out - obeying your priority settings if possible.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 9:43:38 AM

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Feb 8, 1943 is the 'official' date the Japanese finally left Guadal for cooler climes!

Any photo editor, such as Photoshop Elements, will easily allow you you to crop and resize images. There are many freeware programs and utilities to do the same. Gimp is a freeware photo editor which offers much of the functionality of Photoshop.

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RE: Ship Repair Questions - 10/19/2011 11:03:12 AM

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I think I've figured out how to crop.I put the photo into my Kodak system & cropped it there. Let's see if it works here.

Hi Spruance,

Cropping in Paint is probably just a simple. Examine the attached image.

Use this tool to cut out the piece you need. It works by clicking the left mouse button (if right handed) and dragging a banding box around the piece of the image you are interested in.

Once you have marked the region as in the image make a copy of it Menu->Edit->Copy (Ctrl-C).

You can then paste this into a new image into paint and then save as a jpeg file.

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