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Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/4/2011 3:37:54 PM

FredSanford3

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Why does the Rumanian Airforce keep stealing my airplanes? It's August 8, 1941, and the Luftwaffe would love to upgrade the Stuka gruppen to JU-87D's, but they keep send the D's to Romania, who now has 2x as many JU-87D's as the Luftwaffe. Is this historical?

Same thing with my JU-88's, and JU-52's. My units could use the replacements, but they keep getting sent to Romania. And to make things worse, the Rumanian squadron's don't seem to want to change planes on their own, even squadrons at 25% strength. So I've got to spend the AP's to swap out airframes if I want those aircraft in action.

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/4/2011 4:46:28 PM

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The system seems to want to export aircraft ASAP to meet the maximum number to be exported. I'm not sure how this could be changed without ruining the export system. Ideally, exports would happen on a certain turn, but they don't currently and I'm not sure if it's possible to do so.

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/4/2011 5:26:58 PM

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This part of the game shouldn't be hard to model, I wouldn't think.
The algorithm should be based on the need of units in the field, and exports shouldn't be happening unless the pool has a number of airframes in excess of the need by a certain amount.

In the long run, if WitE is going to be better balanced, the exporting of equipment should ultimately be removed. Over a 41-45 campaign, you want Germans to have all the stuff they can make. When elements can be used by Germany and the minors both, putting minors behind the equipment is a waste. Germany has enough handicaps in the production macro game.

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/4/2011 5:28:47 PM

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Make exporting airframes a free choice for the axis player.. I can imagine you want to export obsolete airframes to replace the crap axis allies equipment...

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/4/2011 7:09:09 PM

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What about using the editor and delay the availability date of the Romanian aircraft to some months after the german date (or scenario start date depending on scenario used) ?
And yes, Germany should have a specific pool of these aircraft and tanks before exporting them, the pool should be higher if the german source aircraft has not reached its end date, the pool should be lower after reaching the end date. End date reached + not in use by units = no pool required to export?

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/5/2011 1:32:41 AM

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Germany had good reason to export equipment to its allies - make them more effective in the field & also support them politically as well.

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/5/2011 5:06:51 AM

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Germany had good reason to export equipment to its allies - make them more effective in the field & also support them politically as well.

Both of those may have been good ideas.

Sadly, Germany exported weapons for neither of them.

They exported weapons purely and simply for money, at high markups and in limited amounts ... they had absolutely no interest whatsoever in boosting allied military power (well, their leaders didn't).

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/7/2011 5:26:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aspqrz
Sadly, Germany exported weapons for neither of them.

They exported weapons purely and simply for money, at high markups and in limited amounts ... they had absolutely no interest whatsoever in boosting allied military power (well, their leaders didn't).

Phil

This is not actually true. Atleast the Germany sent a lot of AT weaponry, ammunitation and even some Stugs to the Finland at 1944 while Soviets were doing a massive concentrated attack against "Finnish Mannerheim line" at Karelia. Finland didin't pay a dime from them at that time.

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RE: Rumanian Airforce higher priority than Luftwaffe? - 11/7/2011 6:36:20 PM

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I think it's fair to say that the Germans made equipment sales and transfers in what they perceived to be their own best interests. That's not unique to the Nazis; after all, it was DeGaulle who famously said that "France has no friends, only interests".

The Germans gave away equipment to the Finns, because they sensed the Finns were waivering, and desperately needed them to stay in the war. Similar motivations were at play for equipment sales to Romania; it wasn't the money, it was the fact that they needed the Romanians to stay in the war, and equipment transfers were part of the price Germany paid for good relations.

The Germans, after all, were building a coalition against the Russians, and were aware of the diplomacy at play in coaxing greater Romanian, Finnish, and Hungarian involvement. If you want a coalition, you don't deliberately screw your coalition partners. The Germans were at least somewhat aware of this.

All 3 allies though also watched their back, because Nazi diplomatic promises certainly couldn't be trusted at face value. Their duplicity was well known.

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