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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/28/2011 9:41:49 PM   
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If supply (possible) or fatigue (possible) or disruption (possible) modifiers were in place for the attackers, I wonder why there was such a massive dropoff with no message to this effect?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/28/2011 10:02:33 PM   
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Wow...

If supply (possible) or fatigue (possible) or disruption (possible) modifiers were in place for the attackers, I wonder why there was such a massive dropoff with no message to this effect?


I don't think they anticipated such a stout defence from the Hottentot Lancers of East Africa Brigade. The zebra shields are very intimidating.


Then there was this:

Morning Air attack on 5th Division, at 57,129 (Port Hedland)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-17F Fortress x 13
LB-30 Liberator x 6
B-24D Liberator x 52
B-25C Mitchell x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
437 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

And this:

Morning Air attack on 5th Division, at 57,129 (Port Hedland)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 12
Hudson III (LR) x 6
Mitchell II x 3
Bolingbroke IV x 12
A-29 Hudson x 6
B-17F Fortress x 7
B-24D Liberator x 5
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-26 Marauder x 12
B-26B Marauder x 15
P-38F Lightning x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Plus a few other smaller attacks, including a squadron of Ansons armed with a forward firing Verey pistol (co-pilot's station)


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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/28/2011 11:10:18 PM   
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I strongly suggest that you contact some subcontractor to build upp Corunna Downs so you can add those fearsome airframes to the mayhem. Can't let the Anson pilots one-up them, can we?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/28/2011 11:24:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wow...

If supply (possible) or fatigue (possible) or disruption (possible) modifiers were in place for the attackers, I wonder why there was such a massive dropoff with no message to this effect?


I don't think they anticipated such a stout defence from the Hottentot Lancers of East Africa Brigade. The zebra shields are very intimidating.


Then there was this:

Morning Air attack on 5th Division, at 57,129 (Port Hedland)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-17F Fortress x 13
LB-30 Liberator x 6
B-24D Liberator x 52
B-25C Mitchell x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
437 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

And this:

Morning Air attack on 5th Division, at 57,129 (Port Hedland)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 12
Hudson III (LR) x 6
Mitchell II x 3
Bolingbroke IV x 12
A-29 Hudson x 6
B-17F Fortress x 7
B-24D Liberator x 5
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-26 Marauder x 12
B-26B Marauder x 15
P-38F Lightning x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Plus a few other smaller attacks, including a squadron of Ansons armed with a forward firing Verey pistol (co-pilot's station)


Ah! THAT massive aerial pounding. That may be the ticket...

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 2:49:58 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 3:48:40 PM   
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The mighty Bolingbroke:



I only associated this name with underfunded PBA tours.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 3:53:12 PM   
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The mighty Bolingbroke:



I only associated this name with underfunded PBA tours.


...or the majority of pro bowlers.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 4:52:06 PM   
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Not an unattractive aircraft (except for the tail)

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 5:08:30 PM   
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Wow...

If supply (possible) or fatigue (possible) or disruption (possible) modifiers were in place for the attackers, I wonder why there was such a massive dropoff with no message to this effect?


A look at the CR and the Allies have an advantage in guns and vehicles. I am thinking this gives CRT shifts for the defense that is not reported ...I have had battles where the IJA had 2-1 AV advantage but I had 3:2 or better guns and tanks and even though the AV was outclassed I got adjusted CRT shifts ...the die roll although was stupendious! 4K LYB's!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 7:13:38 PM   
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...the die roll although was stupendious! 4K LYB's!


We have been working on our die rolls. It is much easier than reading the manual.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 7:21:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		We did miss an opportunity that turn. We turned around South Dakota because Yamato was parked at PH. In the event, Yamato pulled back and ran into our retreating PT boats and then Nagato came in for a night bombardment.

South Dakota and her escorting CL and DD's could have taken Nagato.

Also in a bold move, Kinugasa and 2 DD 's engaged the ammo-depleted St. Louis and her 4 DD's in a daylight battle E of Exmouth and seemingly within range of our hotshot SBD's at Carnovan. Two USN DD's will need shop time.

This is why human opponents are more fun that the AI

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 7:21:09 PM   
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...the die roll although was stupendious! 4K LYB's!


We have been working on our die rolls. It is much easier than reading the manual.


Does this mean you have sub contracted it out to M & M Enterprises, Lotteries Division, hq Atlantic City?

Alfred

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 7:36:34 PM   
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We have been working on our die rolls. It is much easier than reading the manual.

more screen wipes please!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 10:15:16 PM   
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Not an unattractive aircraft (except for the tail)


We talking about planes still?


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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 10:48:55 PM   
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It is really just a Blenheim that hasn't come out of the closet yet.

Not an unattractive aircraft (except for the tail)


I think those are elliptical wings? If so they can not be a very good design for a bomber .. The VMC fully loaded I would think to be a problem ... a sudden snap and then spin right after getting hit ...or are they just rounded off "hersery bars?"

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 10:53:04 PM   
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It is really just a Blenheim that hasn't come out of the closet yet.

Not an unattractive aircraft (except for the tail)


I think those are elliptical wings? If so they can not be a very good design for a bomber .. The VMC fully loaded I would think to be a problem ... a sudden snap and then spin right after getting hit ...or are they just rounded off "hersery bars?"


She was designed before turbochargers were in vogue. The wings flap during attack to provide extra horsepower.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/29/2011 11:15:15 PM   
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It is really just a Blenheim that hasn't come out of the closet yet.

Not an unattractive aircraft (except for the tail)


I think those are elliptical wings? If so they can not be a very good design for a bomber .. The VMC fully loaded I would think to be a problem ... a sudden snap and then spin right after getting hit ...or are they just rounded off "hersery bars?"


She was designed before turbochargers were in vogue. The wings flap during attack to provide extra horsepower.


Well turbocharges or not .. when either the wings stop flapping or the engine loses power, and the twin becomes a single with the weight of two engines and a windmilling prop .. well there are better wing designs As a pilot I have to be thinking that short fat fuselage with the small tail surface is going to make quite a ride when it snaps over toward the now shot up critical engine ....

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/30/2011 8:24:55 PM   
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Ansons ... but you left out the Wapitis!

I strongly suggest that you contact some subcontractor to build upp Corunna Downs so you can add those fearsome airframes to the mayhem. Can't let the Anson pilots one-up them, can we?



The Wapiti are on their way to Oz via Persian Gulf dhow. They stopped in Seychelles to recaulk the deck timbers and we haven't heard from them since.

Corunna is still in Jap hands. We will have to think of something.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/30/2011 8:30:33 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/30/2011 8:41:33 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/30/2011 8:55:12 PM   
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J.J. Dewey, Esq.: Colonel Toyoda, my clients are prepared to offer well above market value, given the unpleasant circumstance.

Col. Toyoda: Unpreasant?

J.J. Dewey, Esq.: Yes, hostilities I mean. Do you realize what has happened to real estate values in Northern Australia since...well...you know?

Col. Toyoda: Rear estate varues?

J.J. Dewey, Esq.: Yes, they have completely tanked. Sure, Adelaide still has sales but anything North of Alice Springs is nuclear.

Col. Toyoda: Nucrear?

J.J. Dewey, Esq.: Ah, forgive me. That is a bit anachronistic. That will make sense soon enough.

Col. Toyoda: What about Japanese base?

J.J. Dewey, Esq.: Yes, we anticipated that concern. My clients are prepared to offer a lease back arrangement for 50% of the property.

Col. Toyoda: Rease back? What rease back?.............

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/1/2011 3:23:23 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/1/2011 7:22:39 PM   
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Esteemed Allied commanders I feel that it is my duty to inform you that your thread has fallen to page 2 of the AAR's. Bad show chaps what?


Yes..it's All Hallows Eve what did it. First there is the drinking and then there are all the left-over Snickers.

Pocahantas-girl, the divorcee neighbor with the new bolt-ons, threw quite a fun Halloween party on Saturday. Alas, there were no 20 somethings so there were no mermaids with seashell tops this year but Pocahantas-girl wore quite an interesting micro skirt cop outfit with fake tatoos on her bolt-ons (I think they were fake..I had to make myself not look). Only later, when the DJ started did I realize she was commando too. Santa Maria! <crosses self> Honestly, it might have just been a floss-related wardrobe malfunction but I was trying not to look again. Stalker Girl was not amused. I got lazy and decided to use my Club Gitmo orange detainee jumpsuit and a beard and turban. I was detainee number 456, U'lika'm'dik. After about an hour the beard was driving me nuts so I pulled it down under my chin and I was instantly converted to an Amish guy doing community service for drunk driving.

The hostess had a Mayan working for her passing out the jello shots , then when she had done her damage, she went around asking guests having vestibular problems if they wanted something to eat. She asked Stalker Girl if she wanted something to eat. She was not amused for a second time.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/1/2011 7:35:16 PM   
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Oz: Indeed, Port Hedland is turning into a bare-fisted brawl. We send in the B-24's and B-17's and medium bombers and they send in Nells and Yamato. Yamato could not have rearmed in one day so she must have not be out of ammo. Some of the Nells were escorted by Zeroes so they must be coming from Wyndham, which is repairing. There are also a few zeroes now operating from PH it seems. 3 B-26 and an RAAF Mitchell II were shot down.

Even with the throw weight of Yamato, it is likely we did more damage than they. Plus, they will have some serious disrutption to shed after they were repulsed on the previous day. Br 2nd Div is SERIOUSLY disrutped (70%) and East Africa Brig isn't in very good shape either. US 32nd ID, on the other hand is recovering nicely.

Except for a small attack on the airfield and a few B-25's on naval attack, every operational bomber that can reach Port Headland from Meekathara, Carnavon, Perth and Geraldton is on ground attack. Before we send the carriers back, we will have to pound the rubble at Wyndham and Broome again.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/1/2011 8:40:06 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/3/2011 6:31:54 PM   
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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/3/2011 7:19:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the key features of a good halloween Party are:

1) Free booze

2) Decent weather (to encourage skimpy costumes)

3) Good looking women to wear the skimpy costumes (this can be the hardest part to acheive)

I had to walk Stalker Girl back home about 11 PM because she had a sudden onset severe vestibular problem of idiopathic origin. The moon had already set and the streetlight was out and it was crystal clear. Half way across the street she says, "WAIT"

"Wait what?"

"Look!" She tilts her head back.

I look up expecting to see a meteor shower or a UFO.....nothing. "Those are stars"

"I know, but look how many there are."

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/3/2011 7:28:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was actually a guy in a skimpy costume too. He had on running warmup pants but no shirt and then he had thong cheetah pattern undies yanked up above his fat belly. He must have weighed in at 280 and had pelt on his back that would make a chinchilla proud. Then he had Benjamins tucked into his G-string thingy.

Pretty funny. He had a least 2 grand in Benjamins in his wallet. His wife was a seriously hot pirate wench who would have been way out of his league if not for his....sense of humor....I guess.

He said he owned several Hooters. I think he meant the restaurants.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/3/2011 7:37:04 PM   
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Oz: JJ sent in Kinugasa and 2 DD to raid Exmouth at night. One Jap DD was roughed up pretty badly by the 3 DD's on duty there:

Hull
Isaac Sweers
Fortune

A true international force.

Nells bombarded Br. 2nd Div again. 2 B-25's were lost in raids over PH but again, Allied ground attacks did more damage. We will have to see about a LRCAP of P-38's over PH next turn.



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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/6/2011 9:48:41 AM   
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