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RE: Kill em all! - 10/30/2011 9:31:11 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		No attacks on Christmas Island today; enemy amph TFs move away while Allied carriers launch a 100% ground strike...that hits Fanning Island!!!
I posted a damage report to Andy, thinking 500 casualties in a level 6 fort base was a bit much. Didn't get much sympathy, he fumed over his strike package that
went awry and hit the wrong island

In total 10 Superforts have been reported lost after continous sorties, fatigue must be high and with few reserves Andy is quickly running them down.
Our chance now is to wait out the Allied carriers - if they run low on sorties they have to RTB..if that happens we can race in and pummel the Allied troops.

In Burma 4 large Allied tank units rumble into the jungle east of Moulmein, in WitP jungle is quite ok tank country you see.
So we will have these units on one or both of the road hexes in a few weeks. This is were our Army bombers will have to prove themselves by hurting and delaying these armored units.
I will have to deploy our armor on the road as well together with some inf and AA units. The problem is that Allied air will murder them so we have to return the favor, only this way can we retain the deadlock..which we have to. We have quite a lot of reserves so perhaps we in due time can achieve something here even though I'm not to optimistic because of Allied air power.

With 300k enemy troops north of Moulmein I can reduce the Moulmein garrison, 3000 AV should be enough. Perhaps we can hit the enemy armor with air and ground attacks and defeat them if we coordinate well!
This is really were we need to stop the Allied steamroller in Burma.

Allied 4Es in Burma mined 4-5 of our Indo China ports today, not a big deal really but it reminded me that Camh Ran Bay and Saigon can now be hit by enemy 4E. Need some CAP fighters there.

Btw: Do you know if the Grace dive / torpedo bombers carry 250 or 500 kg bombs?
Says 250kg as secondary ordnance and torpedos as default. What if we select bombs only, will the torps be exchanged for 500 og 250kg bombs?
Yees, planning to build lots of them, need a saving Grace now

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 16, 44

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-5
MTB G-550
MTB G-552
MTB G-14

Allied Ships
CA Australia
DE Mitchell, Shell hits 3
DE Sanders
DE Seid
DE Stadtfeld
DE Steele
DE Wyman
AP William Ward Burrows
AK Crater, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Arided
AK Draco, Shell hits 1
AK Albireo
AK Mintaka
AK Caelum, Shell hits 1
AK Gainsar
AK Grumium
AK Lesuth, Shell hits 1
AK Megrez
AK Venus
AK De Grasse
AP Gen. W.A.Mann
AP Gen. H.W.Butner
AP Gen. G.O.Squier, Shell hits 1
AP Gen. T.H.Bliss, Shell hits 1
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
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Sub Attacks

ASW attack near Christmas Island at 177,140

Japanese Ships
SS I-169, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Dyson
BB Washington
CA Quincy
CLAA Van Heemskerck
DD Eaton
DD Halford
DD Hailey
DD Fullam
DD Franks

SS I-169 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Dyson
DD Halford attacking submerged sub ....
DD Hailey fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Fullam fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Franks fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub
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TF 159 encounters mine field at 54,54

Allied Ships
SS O20, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Air Combat

Night Air attack on TF, near Christmas Island at 174,141
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
AP Gen. H.W.Butner
DE Sanders

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 69

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 9

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet *
3 x B-24D Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 8000 feet *
3 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet *
3 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet *
3 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet *
3 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Haiphong , at 68,57
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 35
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet
6 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 8000 feet
6 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 8000 feet
11 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet
3 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 8000 feet
6 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet
3 x B-24D1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Haiphong , at 68,57
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Cam Ranh Bay , at 64,72
Weather in hex: Extreme overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 8000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on 5th Amphibious Brigade, at 172,137 (Fanning Island)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 24
Corsair II x 43
F4U-1A Corsair x 134
F6F-3 Hellcat x 286
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 171
TBF-1 Avenger x 9
TBM-1C Avenger x 164

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 7 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
404 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 5th Amphibious Brigade, at 172,137 (Fanning Island)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 48
TBM-1C Avenger x 51

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 5th Amphibious Brigade, at 172,137 (Fanning Island)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 14
TBM-1C Avenger x 35

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 172,137 (Fanning Island)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
Barracuda II x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
TBM-1C Avenger x 16

Allied aircraft losses
Barracuda II: 1 damaged
Barracuda II: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Burma




You can see the LCU that took most of the heat at Fanning Island.
Told Andy that these guys were badgers living in tunnels...but nope, no respect.
They should die when hit by 500 bombers whether part of this earth of underworld.

Got a new float plane dive bomber...will produce some of these and place them on atolls and small bypassed bases.
Perfect for harassing easily annoyable Scots

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/30/2011 10:12:32 PM   
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Generally speaking until the D4Y4 comes around the B7A2 is superior. It carries 2 x 250Kg bombs IIRC instead of a 500 Kg bomb ( some of this depends on the choices made by the mod designer of course ) but its saving grace (boom, boom ) is that once you begin building the B7A2 you no longer have to worry about having different divebomber and torpedobombers. You can just use the B7A2 to equip both types of squadron. Theoretically you lose out in terms of penetration power by having 2 x 250 Kg bombs but I always felt that a 250 Kg bomb was enough to penetrate CV decks and having two of them doubled my chances of actually getting a hit so I thought that was quite a good trade-off.

If you select bombs then the torpedoes are swapped out for 2 x 250Kg bombs... or, if port attacking, an 800 Kg bomb which makes the Grace a really worthwhile port attack plane, capable of putting an 800 Kg bomb right through the deck armour of any BB in the game. With its long range it is a useful and cheap harraser to stage into a distant airbase, fly a raid on a port (preferably at night ) and then fly out again the next day. With a little luck all you'll lose are the 2 or 3 planes grounded for maintenance and some planes to FlAK. You do have to set up some IJNAF units to train int he ground attack role to make this possible but even fi you only have 2 squadrons dedicated to port attacks ( one with Netties, one with Graces ) it is well worth doing. You'll get more hits per plane/pilot lost than you ever will once the Allies put to sea.

I still build the D4Y4s for kamikaze attacks and for attacks on SC TFs containing BBs and CAs but, really, the B7A2's flexibility and serviceability makes it a better choice than the D4Y3 and D4Y4 for equipping your CVs. Of course the problem is that you HAVE to build something to equip your dive-bomber groups while waiting for the B7A2.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/30/2011 11:06:10 PM   
inqistor


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Status: offline 		So, all previous 8-hex attacks were made only by TBs, because VALs had not range anyway?

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

In Burma 4 large Allied tank units rumble into the jungle east of Moulmein, in WitP jungle is quite ok tank country you see.
So we will have these units on one or both of the road hexes in a few weeks. This is were our Army bombers will have to prove themselves by hurting and delaying these armored units.
I will have to deploy our armor on the road as well together with some inf and AA units. The problem is that Allied air will murder them so we have to return the favor, only this way can we retain the deadlock..which we have to. We have quite a lot of reserves so perhaps we in due time can achieve something here even though I'm not to optimistic because of Allied air power.

Seriously, bombarding in jungle will not help you much. Use clear terrain Luke. Maybe strafing with larger caliber guns (Tojo IIb have 40mm, right?)? Although 4 Divisions will have lots of AA.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

D4Y1 had 200hp less power than the D2 used here so it'd seem that no range advantage above D3A is justified if it is to carry 500kg bomb as CV deck length will probably become issue. D2 with improved engine however improves power to weight ratio so much it shouldnt be a problem any more.

I have already pasted this table somewhere here, but here it is again. Assisted take-off JUDY distance, was shorter, than JILL. But interesting numbers for unassisted. I am guessing RECCE means "with drop-tanks", and this adds 30 meters to distance.

Anyway, I am guessing there is somewhere in Technical Mission documents, detailed evaluation of JUDY. So it should be possible to find source.




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RE: Kill em all! - 10/31/2011 8:35:12 AM   
Erkki


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quote:

ORIGINAL: inqistor

So, all previous 8-hex attacks were made only by TBs, because VALs had not range anyway?

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I have already pasted this table somewhere here, but here it is again. Assisted take-off JUDY distance, was shorter, than JILL. But interesting numbers for unassisted. I am guessing RECCE means "with drop-tanks", and this adds 30 meters to distance.

Anyway, I am guessing there is somewhere in Technical Mission documents, detailed evaluation of JUDY. So it should be possible to find source.





What is your source? BTW I went through my aviation literature yesterday and the D4Y performance values in various subtypes are pretty close to or precise wikipedia stuff. It looks like there are very few sources for Japanese hardware and some of them are contradicting each other, sometimes even themselves. For example I have 2 IMHO(otherwise) very creditable books that say Ki-61, Ki-100 and Ki-44 armaments in every sub-model are different to what they are in Witpae. Neither of them lists their own sources so what can we do... So much easier with the German stuff as online, there are 50+ Rechlin tests for both prototypes and production examples for everything at every altitude, temperature, flap and radiator position etc.

How much force is Andy using at Christmas? 6+ divisions? Couldnt he just bypass the whole place, isnt he just wasting preparation and LCU rebuilding time? Unless hes simply practicing amphibious ops first with a relatively easy target or something.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/31/2011 2:12:55 PM   
PaxMondo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

How much force is Andy using at Christmas? 6+ divisions? Couldnt he just bypass the whole place, isnt he just wasting preparation and LCU rebuilding time? Unless hes simply practicing amphibious ops first with a relatively easy target or something.

I don't think so. PzB had built up Christmas too strong (lvl 6 forts with 100,000 supply). Netties gave him a wide area that interdicted Andy's logisitic pipeline, plus it makes too effective of a sub replenishment base. He's either got to nuke the supply (like the allies were able to do to Truk IRL) to neuter it or take it. Andy must have decided he had to take it due to his timeline ... he's running out of time ...

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/31/2011 9:32:08 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Andy says Line Islands always has been a thorn in his side; spotting, disrupting, positioning raiders, subs etc.
So yes, he just can't bypass..! So let's see how much time and effort it takes to get rid of this place.
Christmas Island now got 44000 supplies left, should be plenty for this siege. It's a fine line how much to bring, if the place falls it's not funny
to give 50k supplies to enemy.

Seems like my faith in the Grace is well founded also in AE

This turn allied CAG again hits Christmas Island.
Heavy strikes against Moulmein with little effect.

We send in 2 sweep waves over enemy troops east of Moulmein, each time encountering small enemy CAP formations.
When our bombers go in they meet massive CAP We were saved by our expendable Oscars with rookie pilots that took the hits.
- Damage to enemy ground is noticable since they're in move mode, that's when we can hit them and both delay and hurt them.

Our Frances bombers at Port Blair hit another 2 merchantmen loaded with fuel.

I've decided on how to handle the enemy formations east of Moulmein; now reported as 5-6 units and 80k troops.
Identified 2 inf divisions, think there are 2 large armored units as well there.

I will build a powerfull force of our armored units west of Pisanlouke in the rough hex there and add as many support units as possible.
This leaves only one hex; the jungle hex SSE of Moulmein; here I need as many AA units and spare LCUs as possible. This is were Andy will go and his bombers will hurt us here.
We have to stand here and rotate fresh units in and try to weaken the enemy by holding, attacking both their troops and attacking into their flanks trying to disrupt supplies etc.
I'm moving in more HQs, both Army and Corpse level.

Just as the going may start to be tough our 2000 AV from Chiang Mai will arrive and I still have another 1000 AV in reserve in Malaya.
Our total AV strength should easily be 10k plus. We stand here!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 17, 44

Air Combat
Morning Air attack on 19th Indian Division, at 56,55 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 36

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.834 Sqn-FF-1 FAA with Spitfire Vc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on 19th Indian Division, at 56,55 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 34

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
33 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 56,55 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 44
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 27

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 2
P-40N5 Warhawk x 8
P-40N26 Warhawk x 1
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 8 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 11 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 56,55 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 31
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 25

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 10
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7
Spitfire Vc Trop x 4
Spitfire VIII x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 7
P-39N1 Airacobra x 4
P-40N5 Warhawk x 20
P-40N26 Warhawk x 1
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 19
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 19th Army, at 174,141 (Christmas Island)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 26
Corsair II x 57
Hellcat I x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 175
F6F-3 Hellcat x 92
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 216

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
196 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 51

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Fanning Island , at 172,137
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 50,53
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 2 damaged
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAK John J. Ingalls, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Henry C. Payne, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
AM Kyber

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Air amd Prod Stats

Need some help here; why doesn't my ac upgrade?
E.g. Tony Ic should update to Tony Id in 04/44 but 18 days in and with plenty supply - no upgrade.
Same issues with some Helen IIbs - hoped they would upgrade to Peggy but nope.
Again the same issue with the Jack, new version available but no upgrades.

Have been forced to take other non-important units with stopped production and converted them into producing these new types while I struggle to find out how to
upgrade without damaging all existing factories in a manual upgrade




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RE: Kill em all! - 11/1/2011 12:42:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

Air amd Prod Stats

Need some help here; why doesn't my ac upgrade?
E.g. Tony Ic should update to Tony Id in 04/44 but 18 days in and with plenty supply - no upgrade.
Same issues with some Helen IIbs - hoped they would upgrade to Peggy but nope.
Again the same issue with the Jack, new version available but no upgrades.

Have been forced to take other non-important units with stopped production and converted them into producing these new types while I struggle to find out how to
upgrade without damaging all existing factories in a manual upgrade

Tony 1D - OK not sure why you want to produce these as the Frank is far better plane, but you're right ... it should upgrade. Get more supply at Gifu and Nagasaki (min 10K). There is a random roll to upgrade, but you should have already upgraded in Tokyo. I'd send Michael a save ... let him look at it.

Helen does NOT upgrade to Peggy. You have to build new factories. I'm not a fan of Peggy. Only 75% of the bombload of a Helen. You have to expand your Ha-45 factories even more than you already are. Yes, the one Peggy does get a torp, but you need to train pilots in another skill. Peggy has more range than a Helen, but to what value? You have no escort with that range except Oscar, so its biggest value would be as a Night Bomber. however, the extra few hexes don't get me anywhere more than I can generally get with Helen. You'll need to look at some specific locations and make your own decision.

J2M2 -> J2M3 Same thought as the Tony ... I'd have Michael look at it.

Be sure to tell him which version of the Beta you are using. There have been minor hiccups with several that were fixed. I don't recall that upgrades was ever affected, but not sure. For example, the current beta q9b fixes several minor hiccups introduced in q8-q9 that were just found ( for example the inability to increase a zero size factory)

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RE: Kill em all! - 11/1/2011 9:24:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I clicked on the units I wanted to upgrade and they did so without turning damaged!
Hm, strange but ok....

Only want to upgrade some units to the Peggy (t).
The Tony d got better service rating and carries a 250kg bomb.
- Only advantages to this upgrade compared to the c with service rating 3 and no bombs.

Lots and more of the same bombing today, only showing a few select missions.
Starting to get tiresome!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 18, 44

Surface Combat

We used barges to ferry troops from Fanning Island; the amph brigade troops were trained for Palmyra but can as well switch them to Christmas to
keep our AV values up. When enemy destroyes sank them they had already unloaded.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-7
MTB G-1
MTB G-2
MTB G-3, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD David Taylor
DD Thatcher
DD Twining
DD Uhlmann

Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
LB-162, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-163, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-164, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-165, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-166, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-167, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-168, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-169, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LB-170, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-528, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-529, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-1027, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD David Taylor
DD Thatcher
DD Twining
DD Uhlmann

Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 175,140, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-7, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-2, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD David Taylor
DD Thatcher
DD Twining
DD Uhlmann
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 54th Division, at 174,141 (Christmas Island)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 26
Corsair II x 28
Hellcat I x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 154
F6F-3 Hellcat x 138
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 214

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (4 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
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RE: Kill em all! - 11/2/2011 5:22:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

I clicked on the units I wanted to upgrade and they did so without turning damaged!
Hm, strange but ok....

Only want to upgrade some units to the Peggy (t).
The Tony d got better service rating and carries a 250kg bomb.
- Only advantages to this upgrade compared to the c with service rating 3 and no bombs.


Wow. Well good that they upgraded ... why you had to click on them, I have no idea.

Tony d SR 2 is nice, but they are so slow. Guess I need to pay more attention to your combat reports to see how they actually do. I'll also be watching to see how your PeggyT units go.

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RE: Kill em all! - 11/2/2011 10:36:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tokyo Express in the Line Islands? Seems a smart choice, Christmas was key to the position last time and Andy seems to recognize this as well.

I think having taken the Line Islands was truly your big feat in this game, and provided the base for all other successes to follow. Threatening his Communications, hurting convoys, recon on his major forward bases on the Hawaii'an Islands... plenty of potential you have harvested. Ultimately it forced Andy to do a total of 3 major ops against these little fortresses, two of which turned into full-scale engagements. Of course there was a little luck involved, but ultimately the first of these battles, which was (if I recall correctly...) your first decisive CV clash, paved the way for further decisive CV battles and your later victory in the Timor Sea (Waingapoo). And even now, it remains a thorn in Andy's side, costs him time and valuable assets, and allows KB to sneak around and keep the Allied CVs tightly locked in its covering role in the immediate the area rather than to spread destruction. Who would have thought that these islands would have such a value?

And now the key question -- while your eyes are focused on Christmas and Moulmein, is there anything else suspicious happening elsewhere? Might Andy try something in the Solomon or DEI meanwhile know that KB is also busy?

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RE: Kill em all! - 11/2/2011 5:53:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't think Andy has assets for further ops; Southern New Guinea ops will continue with LBA support.
Burma offensive requires all air and land assets there.

SRA ops can not be conducted without Allied carriers now supporting Line Islands ops.
So we don't have any other surprises coming me thinks.

Very tempted to hit the enemy fleets at Christmas Island but the Judy nerf plus low fuel reserves makes this a-no-go ops...!-(
Got more fleet oilers coming in to meet with KB; first replenishment fleet quickly dried up all fuel reserves before the carriers could be topped up.
- Our largest fleet oilers were in Java to load more fuel when KB went east so we didn't have our usual reserves at hand.

Well, Tony d is only 7 mph slower than c version AND it gets not only a 250kg bomb, lower service rating but also an extended range of 9 hexes with drop tanks.
This doubles this type's value for me! 100 well armored and bomb armed fighters can be a threat to all enemy task forces. The only other main upgrade for the Tony
is the KAI / Tony-100 models but with a service rating of 4...me not thinks so!

The last version of the Raiden with 4x20mm cannons is interesting; will make it just as efficient an bomber interceptor as the Shinden.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 19, 44

Mine Warfare

First time aerial mines have been that efficient; sent 2 wessels to clear them and they both sank...

TF 186 encounters mine field at Saigon (60,71)

Japanese Ships
DMS W-10, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
E W-28, Mine hits 2, heavy damage

9 mines cleared
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Sub / ASW Attacks

Our now happless subs...last 3 torp hits near Lines Islands have been duds.
Perhaps escorts run out of depth charges soon!-)
Hope is that radar will make them more efficient.

ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-169, hits 7

Allied Ships
CA Australia
DE Sanders
DE Mitchell
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
AP Gen. T.H.Bliss
AP Gen. H.W.Butner
AP William Ward Burrows
AK De Grasse
AK Venus
AK Megrez
AK Lesuth
AK Grumium
AK Gainsar
AK Caelum
AK Mintaka
AK Albireo
AK Draco
AK Arided
DE Wyman
DE Steele
DE Stadtfeld

SS I-169 is sighted by escort
DE Wyman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Steele attacking submerged sub ....
DE Steele is out of ASW ammo
DE Stadtfeld fails to find sub and abandons search
DE Wyman attacking submerged sub ....
DE Steele fails to find sub and abandons search
DE Wyman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Wyman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Wyman attacking submerged sub ....
DE Wyman is out of ASW ammo
DE Wyman is out of ASW ammo
DE Wyman is out of ASW ammo
DE Wyman is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub
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Submarine attack near Christmas Island at 177,135

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 24, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
DD Scout
DD Voyager
DD Chew
DD MacDonough
DD Clark
DD Sterett
DE Cauvery
DE Cloues
DE Weaver
AGC Rocky Mount
AK Syrma
xAP Kooyong
xAP Burwah
xAP Morinda
xAP Matua
xAP Nairana
xAP Malaita
xAP Merkur
xAP Van Cloon
xAP Kota Agoeng
xAP Nathaniel Currier
xAP Jacques Laramie
xAP Benjamin Lundy
xAP Mallory Lykes
xAP Golden Racer
xAP Orizaba
xAP President Buchanan
xAP St. Mihel
xAK Autolycus
xAK Gorgon
xAK Whangpu
xAK Dumosa
xAK Minnesotan
xAK Arkansan
DD Lawrence
DD Roebuck
DD Quadrant
DD Pathfinder

SS I-24 is sighted by escort
DD Lawrence attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-24 eludes ASW attack from DD Lawrence
DD Lawrence cannot reach attack position over SS I-24
DD Lawrence cannot reach attack position over SS I-24
DD Roebuck attacking submerged sub ....
DD Quadrant attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-24 forced to surface!
DD Quadrant firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Pathfinder firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Lawrence firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Roebuck firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Quadrant firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Pathfinder firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Lawrence firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Roebuck firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Pathfinder firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Lawrence firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-46, hits 21, heavy damage
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Allied Ships
DE Sanders
DE Steele
DE Mitchell
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
AP Gen. T.H.Bliss
AP Gen. H.W.Butner
AP William Ward Burrows
AK De Grasse
AK Venus
AK Megrez
AK Lesuth
AK Grumium
AK Gainsar
AK Caelum
AK Mintaka
AK Albireo
AK Draco
AK Arided
DE Stadtfeld
DE Seid

SS I-46 launches 2 torpedoes at DE Sanders
DE Stadtfeld fails to find sub and abandons search
DE Seid fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Seid attacking submerged sub ....
DE Seid fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Seid attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-46 eludes DE Seid by hugging bottom
DE Seid attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-46 eludes ASW attack from DE Seid
DE Seid is out of ASW ammo
DE Seid is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub
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Amph Ops

No attacks launched today, so only supplies unloaded. This still triggers auto bombardment
which hurts us. Bugger, mentioned it to Andy but nothing that can / will be changed it seems!-(

Our CD guns don't hit anything either, seems like they have been uber nerfed as well.

Pre-Invasion action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

111 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Australia
AK Arided
AK Albireo
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke

20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Arided at 17,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Arided at 17,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Albireo at 17,000 yards
10cm T91 Howitzer battery firing at AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
15cm T96 Howitzer battery firing at AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
20cm 41YT CD Gun battery firing at AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
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Amphibious Assault at Christmas Island (174,141)
TF 134 troops unloading over beach at Christmas Island, 174,141
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

56 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Australia
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke

3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CA Australia
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Air Combat

These air attacks are just way to efficient, one strike and over 400 casualties?
Ok, in the first attacks causalties could be rather high but with 6 forts and knowing enemy
flying arty is around it wouldn't have been that easy to find and hurt the troops. As it is
all LCUs on the island are attacked; no chance to hide.

Morning Air attack on 54th Division, at 174,141 (Christmas Island)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 26
Barracuda II x 18
Corsair II x 27
Hellcat I x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 154
F6F-3 Hellcat x 309
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 162
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 213

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 3 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
480 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 18th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Fleet ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 15th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 18th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 144th Infantry RCT /1 ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking Yokosuka 3rd SNLF ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 5th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 49th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Air Division ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 18th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 18th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Fleet ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 56th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 15th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 5th Amphibious Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 18th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 144th Infantry RCT /1 ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking Sasebo 6th SNLF ...
Also attacking 5th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 49th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Air Division ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 18th Naval Guard Unit ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 19th Army ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (3 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 34

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Auto bombard is driving me nutters....

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19121 troops, 316 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 793
Defending force 36652 troops, 1399 guns, 764 vehicles, Assault Value = 1774

Japanese ground losses:
196 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
18th Naval Guard Unit
41st Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
54th Division
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
144th Infantry RCT /1
Sasebo 6th SNLF
18th Tank Regiment
5th Amphibious Bde /13
19th Army
4th Fleet
15th JNAF AF Unit
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
5th JAAF AF Bn
56th JNAF AF Unit
11th RF Gun Battalion
80th JAAF AF Bn
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Air Division
53rd Construction Battalion
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
49th JNAF AF Unit
6th Naval Const Bn /2

Defending units:
1st Marine Div /14
6th Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
22nd Marine Regiment
37th Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Div /14
43rd Infantry Div /1
93rd Infantry Div /14
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Ground combat at Wau (98,126)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 763 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28
Defending force 34 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 5
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Kure 6th SNLF
15th/C Div /7

Defending units:
1st Australian Para Bn /1
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Allied Unit(s) Wiped Out at Wau by attrition!!!!!!
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Last CV reinforcements

3x63 + 1x27 ac = ~240 more carrier ac will be added to KB by August.
In August we also get the Grace, alas KB will reach its peak strength in Q3 44.




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RE: Kill em all! - 11/2/2011 6:39:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		PzB, have you considered weighing in on Rader's ground bombing thread? It got a little heated but your previous 60% hit situation in Burma plus today's bombing in the Line Islands are useful data points.

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RE: Kill em all! - 11/2/2011 7:35:36 PM   
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RE: Kill em all! - 11/4/2011 10:14:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Massive sea and air bombardments against Christmas Island followed by more troops landing (remainder of troops initially landed me thinks).
The shock attack achieves 1-1, reduces forts to level 5 and cause over 4000 Jap casualties to 2000 Allies.

Amazed we're still holding on but we're getting near the end game!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 20, 44

Bombardments

The massed Allied battlefleet cause some damage, they usually do - it's the light bombardment forces (2-4-6 ships) that fail to have an impact.

Night Naval bombardment of Christmas Island at 174,141 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB New Jersey
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina
CA San Francisco
CA Minneapolis

Japanese ground losses:
363 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 14 (10 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 36
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

BB New Jersey firing at 54th Division
BB Massachusetts firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at BB Massachusetts
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Washington
BB Washington firing at Christmas Island
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB North Carolina
BB North Carolina firing at 54th Division
CA San Francisco firing at 54th Division
CA Minneapolis firing at 54th Division
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Invasions

Our CD guns ain't very accurate...

Pre-Invasion action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

122 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Stack
DD Lang
DD Kalk
DD Hobby
DD Gansevoort
DD Welles
DD Ingraham
xAK Great Republic
DD Roe
xAK Virginia Lykes
AKA Athene

DD Stack firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Stack
DD Lang firing at 54th Division
DD Kalk firing at 144th Infantry Regimental Combat Team
DD Hobby firing at 54th Division
DD Gansevoort firing at 54th Division
DD Welles firing at 54th Division
DD Ingraham firing at 41st Infantry Regiment
DD Lang firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards
DD Roe firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards
20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Virginia Lykes at 9,000 yards
DD Roe firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards
DD Stack fired at enemy troops
DD Hobby fired at enemy troops
DD Welles fired at enemy troops
DD Ingraham fired at enemy troops
75mm T90 Field Gun battery firing at AKA Athene
15cm T96 Howitzer battery firing at AKA Athene
75mm Infantry Gun battery firing at AKA Athene
20cm 41YT CD Gun battery firing at AKA Athene
75mm T94 Mtn Gun battery firing at AKA Athene
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

50 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Arided
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke

20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Arided at 26,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

48 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Arided, Shell hits 1, on fire
DE Steele
DE Stadtfeld
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke

20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Arided at 15,000 yards
DE Stadtfeld firing to suppress enemy battery at 15,000 yards
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Pre-Invasion action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

332 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
CL Capetown
DD Roebuck
DD Quadrant
DD Arunta
DD Quiberon
DD Voyager
DD Chew
DD Clark
DD Smith
DD Wilson
xAK Carolinian
DD Aylwin
xAK Harry Luckenbach
LST-225
LST-221
LST-226
APA Frederick Funston

Allied ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Roebuck firing at 54th Division
DD Quadrant firing at 54th Division
DD Arunta firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Arunta
DD Quiberon firing at 5th Amphibious Brigade
DD Smith firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Smith
DD Wilson firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Carolinian at 12,000 yards
DD Quiberon firing to suppress enemy battery at 12,000 yards
DD Aylwin firing to suppress enemy battery at 12,000 yards
DD Quiberon firing to suppress enemy battery at 12,000 yards
DD Quadrant fired at enemy troops
DD Arunta fired at enemy troops
DD Quiberon fired at enemy troops
DD Voyager fired at enemy troops
DD Chew fired at enemy troops
DD Smith fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Christmas Island (174,141)
TF 268 troops unloading over beach at Christmas Island, 174,141

Allied ground losses:
218 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)

13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /15
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad 44 lost in surf during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /18
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 3rd Marine Div /15
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /15
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Marine Div
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost in surf during unload of 1st Marine Div
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /20
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Marine Div /18
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 accidentally lost during unload of 3rd Marine Div /17
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 3rd Marine Div /18
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /17
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /21
Motorized Support lost from landing craft during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /21
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /18
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /19
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /19
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 3rd Marine Div /21
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Sub Attacks

The subs remain luckless!

ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS RO-66, hits 22, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
DD Scout
DD Voyager
DD MacDonough
DD Clark
DD Sterett
DE Cauvery
DE Cloues
DMS Howard
AM Chief
AM Oracle
AM Impeccable
AGC Rocky Mount
APA Frederick Funston
AK Zaurak
xAP Kooyong
xAP Burwah
xAP Morinda
xAP Matua
xAP Nairana
xAP Merkur
xAP Van Cloon
xAP Kota Tjandi
xAP Tabinta
xAP Nathaniel Currier
xAP George D. Prentice
xAP Benjamin Lundy
xAP Golden Racer
xAP Orizaba
xAP Monticello
xAP President Buchanan
xAP St. Mihel
xAK Autolycus
xAK Gorgon
xAK Whangpu
xAK Harry Luckenbach
xAK Kansan
xAK Arkansan
DD Lawrence
DD Roebuck
DD Quadrant
DD Pathfinder

SS RO-66 is sighted by escort
DD Lawrence fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Roebuck attacking submerged sub ....
DD Roebuck is out of ASW ammo
DD Roebuck is out of ASW ammo
DD Quadrant attacking submerged sub ....
DD Pathfinder attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 175,140

Japanese Ships
SS I-53, hits 10

Allied Ships
BB New Jersey
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina
DD Charles Badger
DD Russell
DD Bancroft
DD Chevalier

SS I-53 is sighted by escort
DD Russell attacking submerged sub ....
DD Bancroft attacking submerged sub ....
DD Chevalier fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Russell fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Bancroft fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 29

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

No Allied losses

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Fanning Island , at 172,137
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 26
Barracuda II x 18
Corsair II x 25
Hellcat I x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 154
F6F-3 Hellcat x 233
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 173
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 210

Allied aircraft losses
Barracuda II: 2 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 7 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
314 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (6 destroyed, 14 disabled)
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Bombarment attack

Attacking force 18648 troops, 302 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 753
Defending force 49100 troops, 1409 guns, 932 vehicles, Assault Value = 2344

Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
12th Engineer Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
Sasebo 6th SNLF
41st Infantry Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
54th Division
18th Tank Regiment
18th Naval Guard Unit
5th Amphibious Bde /13
19th Army
4th Fleet
53rd Construction Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
5th JAAF AF Bn
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
80th JAAF AF Bn
15th JNAF AF Unit
11th RF Gun Battalion
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
56th JNAF AF Unit
4th Air Division
49th JNAF AF Unit
6th Naval Const Bn /2

Defending units:
3rd Marine Div /14
22nd Marine Regiment
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Div /14
6th Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Div /1
37th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Div /14
XIV US Corps /3
1/198th Coast AA Bn /1
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Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 33167 troops, 1093 guns, 599 vehicles, Assault Value = 2344
Defending force 29543 troops, 388 guns, 235 vehicles, Assault Value = 737

Allied adjusted assault: 738
Japanese adjusted defense: 584

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 6)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4421 casualties reported
Squads: 113 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 159 disabled
Engineers: 20 destroyed, 54 disabled
Guns lost 134 (62 destroyed, 72 disabled)
Vehicles lost 71 (6 destroyed, 65 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2114 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 385 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 64 (3 destroyed, 61 disabled)
Vehicles lost 27 (2 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Div /1
3rd Marine Div /14
1st Marine Div /14
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
22nd Marine Regiment
6th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Div /14
XIV US Corps /3
1/198th Coast AA Bn /1

Defending units:
41st Infantry Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
Sasebo 6th SNLF
18th Naval Guard Unit
18th Tank Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
12th Engineer Regiment
54th Division
5th Amphibious Bde /13
4th Fleet
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
15th JNAF AF Unit
5th JAAF AF Bn
80th JAAF AF Bn
56th JNAF AF Unit
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
49th JNAF AF Unit
53rd Construction Battalion
11th RF Gun Battalion
4th Air Division
19th Army
6th Naval Const Bn /2
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Christmas Island




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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 3044
Christmas Island falls! - 11/5/2011 2:55:41 AM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		This was mostly a good turn that was tainted by the semi-surprising fall of Christmas Island!
- The reason; Andy finally got a good dice roll and a 2600+ AV adjusted shock attack while our adjusted defense was 29
So Allies got a 91-1 !!!!!!!! odds

That's quite insane really, 500 AV more than reported combat strength for a worn down enemy force and 29 for our 30k troops with 5 forts.
...the latter is borked unfortunately, such thing will happen from time to time in a game of this complexity I guess.

The combination of another CAG strike - all ac now attacking our key 54th division + another forced bombardment by our troops caused
over 1000 casualties and massive disruption. While the fall of Christmas Island was inevitable unless we gambled with sending in the Kido Butai I'm still
pointing a finger at the uber effectiveness of ground attack ac. Our strongest fortress should have been able to resist for more than a week with over 35000 troops.

Just nothing to be done about it really.

Well, I did evacuate cadres of various key units and the remaining ones will be rebuilt.
Not finished this turn yet, will take some time. Think we just have to pack up and leave the Line Islands and pull back to the Gilberts.

To compensate we had a string of successes today:

1. A naval force wiped out a large LCT convoy at Merauke
2. A renewed air effort from Fanning Island claimed 6 B-29s shot down
3. Strikes from Fanning Island against an unprotected Allied invasion force claimed 8 torpedo hits on assaults transports, troop ships and a heavy cruiser
4. The battleship Revenge was confirmed sunk of PM earlier this year
5. Numerous enemy ships were reported damaged or sunk as result of collisions after encounters with Japanese ships


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 21, 44

Invasions

Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

262 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
CL Capetown
DD Lawrence
DD Quadrant
DD Pathfinder
DD Arunta
DD Voyager
DD Aylwin
DD MacDonough
DD Farragut
DD Clark
DD Selfridge
DD Porter
DD Smith
DD Wilson
LST-221
LST-226
LST-225
APA Frederick Funston
DD Roebuck

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Lawrence
DD Lawrence firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Quadrant
DD Pathfinder firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Pathfinder
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Aylwin
DD Aylwin firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
DD MacDonough firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD MacDonough
DD Farragut firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Farragut
DD Wilson firing at 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
DD Lawrence fired at enemy troops
DD Quadrant fired at enemy troops
DD Pathfinder fired at enemy troops
DD Voyager fired at enemy troops
DD Aylwin fired at enemy troops
DD Clark fired at enemy troops
DD Selfridge fired at enemy troops
DD Smith fired at enemy troops
DD Wilson fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

98 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Arided, on fire
AK Draco
AK Albireo, Shell hits 1
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
CA Australia

20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Arided at 18,000 yards
20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Albireo at 18,000 yards
20cm 41YT CD Gun battery firing at AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
75mm T94 Mtn Gun battery firing at AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

292 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-221
DD Arunta
CL Capetown
LST-226
LST-225
xAK Kansan
APA Frederick Funston
DD Roebuck

Allied ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

132 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK Arkansan, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sterett
DD Quiberon
xAK Kansan, Shell hits 1
DD Lawrence
xAK Carolinian, Shell hits 1
LST-221
APA Frederick Funston
LST-225
DD Arunta
DD Roebuck
LST-226

Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Arkansan at 15,000 yards
DD Quiberon firing to suppress enemy battery at 15,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Kansan at 15,000 yards
DD Sterett firing to suppress enemy battery at 15,000 yards
12.7cm 3YT DP Gun Battery engaging xAK Carolinian at 15,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Arkansan at 15,000 yards
DD Lawrence firing to suppress enemy battery at 15,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Draco
AK Arided, heavy damage
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke

20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Draco at 20,000 yards
20cm 41YT CD Gun Battery engaging AK Arided at 20,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Christmas Island (174,141)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

135 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK Arkansan
DD Sterett
DD Lawrence
xAK Carolinian, Shell hits 1, on fire
LST-221
LST-225
LST-226
DD Arunta
DD Roebuck
APA Frederick Funston

Allied ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Sterett firing to suppress enemy battery at 14,000 yards
14cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Carolinian at 14,000 yards
DD Sterett firing to suppress enemy battery at 14,000 yards
LST-221 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merauke at 89,124, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari
DD Ikazuchi
DD Inazuma
DD Usugumo
DD Shirayuki
DD Uranami

Allied Ships
AM Pursuit, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
LCT-374, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
LCT-376, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
LCT-377, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
LCT-378, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
LCT-379, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
LCT-460, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
LCT-461, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
LCT-462, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCT-463, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
LCT-464, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
LCT-465, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
LCT-467, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
LCT-468, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCT-469, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
LCT-476, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Christmas Island at 174,141, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-229, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
CL Capetown
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Smith
DD Porter
DD Selfridge
DD Clark
DD Farragut
DD MacDonough
DD Aylwin
DD Chew
DD Voyager
DD Quiberon
DD Arunta
DD Scout
DD Pathfinder
DD Quadrant
DD Roebuck
DE Darby
DE Weaver
DE Cloues
DE Elden
DE Harold C. Thomas
DE Whitman
DD Lawrence
DMS Howard
AM Impeccable
AM Oracle
AM Chief
APA Frederick Funston
xAP St. Mihel
xAP President Buchanan
xAP Hermitage
xAP Monticello
xAP Orizaba
xAP Thomas Barry
AGC Rocky Mount
AK Zaurak
AK Syrma
LST-221
LST-225
LST-226
xAK Arkansan
xAK Carolinian
xAK Kansan
xAK Minnesotan
xAK Missourian
xAK Ohioan
xAK Tuscaloosa City
xAK Harry Luckenbach
xAP Cape Newenham
xAP Golden Eagle
xAP Golden Racer
xAP Mallory Lykes
xAP Benjamin Lundy
xAP Charles P. Steinmetz
xAP Christopher Greenup
xAP George D. Prentice
xAP Noordam, Shell hits 1
xAP Nairana, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CA New Orleans engages MTB G-229 at 1,000 yards
MTB G-229 engages xAP Noordam at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Nairana ,
xAP Malaita , xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine ,
xAP Maori , xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon ,
xAP Kota Tjandi , xAP Kota Pinang , xAP Kota Baroe ,
xAP Kota Inten , xAP Kota Agoeng , xAP Tabinta ,
xAP Tjisadane , xAP Noordam , xAP Nathaniel Currier ,
xAP Jacques Laramie , xAP George D. Prentice , xAP Christopher Greenup ,
xAP Charles P. Steinmetz , xAP Benjamin Lundy , xAP Mallory Lykes ,
xAP Golden Racer , xAP Golden Eagle , xAP Cape Newenham ,
xAP Thomas Barry , xAP Orizaba , xAP Monticello ,
xAP Hermitage , xAP President Buchanan , xAP St. Mihel ,
xAK Autolycus screened from combat
- escorted by DD Quadrant , DD Scout , DD Voyager ,
DD Aylwin , DD MacDonough , DD Farragut ,
DD Clark , DD Porter , DD Smith ,
DD Sterett , DE Whitman , DE Harold C. Thomas ,
DE Elden , DE Weaver , DMS Howard ,
AM Chief
Range increases to 5,000 yards
DE Elden collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
xAK Minnesotan collides with xAP Nairana at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Nairana ,
xAP Malaita , xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine ,
xAP Maori screened from combat
Range increases to 6,000 yards
DE Harold C. Thomas collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
DE Elden collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
xAP Mallory Lykes collides with xAP Nairana at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Nairana ,
xAP Malaita , xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine ,
xAP Maori , xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon ,
xAP Kota Tjandi , xAP Kota Pinang , xAP Kota Baroe ,
xAP Kota Inten , xAP Kota Agoeng , xAP Tabinta ,
xAP Tjisadane , xAP Noordam , xAP Nathaniel Currier ,
xAP Jacques Laramie , xAP George D. Prentice , xAP Christopher Greenup ,
xAP Charles P. Steinmetz , xAP Benjamin Lundy , xAP Mallory Lykes ,
xAP Golden Racer , xAP Golden Eagle , xAP Cape Newenham ,
xAP Thomas Barry , xAP Orizaba , xAP Monticello ,
xAP Hermitage screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Pathfinder ,
DD Scout , DD Quiberon , DD Voyager ,
DD Aylwin , DD MacDonough , DD Farragut ,
DD Selfridge , DD Wilson , DD Sterett ,
DE Cauvery , DE Harold C. Thomas , DE Elden ,
DE Darby
xAP Mallory Lykes collides with xAP Nairana at 174 , 141
xAP Hermitage collides with xAP Nairana at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Quadrant ,
DD Pathfinder , DD Scout , DD Arunta ,
DD Quiberon , DD Voyager , DD Chew ,
DD Aylwin , DD MacDonough , DD Farragut ,
DD Clark , DD Selfridge , DD Porter ,
DD Smith , DD Wilson , DD Sterett ,
DE Cauvery , DE Whitman , DE Harold C. Thomas ,
DE Elden , DE Cloues , DE Weaver ,
DE Darby , DMS Howard , AM Chief
Range closes to 3,000 yards
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Malaita ,
xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine , xAP Maori ,
xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon , xAP Kota Tjandi ,
xAP Kota Pinang , xAP Kota Baroe , xAP Kota Inten ,
xAP Kota Agoeng , xAP Tabinta , xAP Tjisadane ,
xAP Noordam , xAP Nathaniel Currier , xAP Jacques Laramie ,
xAP George D. Prentice screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Pathfinder ,
DD Scout , DD Arunta , DD Quiberon ,
DD Voyager , DD Aylwin , DD Farragut ,
DD Clark , DD Selfridge , DD Smith ,
DD Wilson , DD Sterett , DE Cauvery ,
DE Whitman , DE Elden , DE Cloues ,
DE Weaver , AM Chief
CA New Orleans engages MTB G-229 at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
xAP Rangatira collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
xAK Carolinian collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Malaita ,
xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine , xAP Maori ,
xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon , xAP Kota Tjandi screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Quadrant ,
DD Pathfinder , DD Arunta , DD Quiberon ,
DD Voyager , DD Chew , DD Aylwin ,
DD MacDonough , DD Farragut , DD Clark ,
DD Selfridge , DD Porter , DD Smith ,
DD Wilson , DD Sterett , DE Cauvery ,
DE Whitman , DE Elden , DE Cloues ,
DE Darby
xAK Gorgon collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Malaita ,
xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine , xAP Maori ,
xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon , xAP Kota Tjandi ,
xAP Kota Pinang , xAP Kota Baroe , xAP Kota Inten ,
xAP Kota Agoeng , xAP Tabinta , xAP Tjisadane ,
xAP Noordam , xAP Nathaniel Currier , xAP Jacques Laramie ,
xAP George D. Prentice , xAP Christopher Greenup , xAP Charles P. Steinmetz screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Pathfinder ,
DD Scout , DD Arunta , DD Quiberon ,
DD Chew , DD Aylwin , DD MacDonough ,
DD Clark , DD Selfridge , DD Porter ,
DD Smith , DD Wilson , DE Cauvery ,
DE Elden , DE Cloues , DE Darby ,
DMS Howard
Range increases to 4,000 yards
xAK Missourian collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Malaita ,
xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine , xAP Maori ,
xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon , xAP Kota Tjandi ,
xAP Kota Pinang , xAP Kota Baroe , xAP Kota Inten ,
xAP Kota Agoeng , xAP Tabinta , xAP Tjisadane ,
xAP Noordam , xAP Nathaniel Currier , xAP Jacques Laramie ,
xAP George D. Prentice , xAP Christopher Greenup , xAP Charles P. Steinmetz ,
xAP Benjamin Lundy , xAP Mallory Lykes , xAP Golden Racer ,
xAP Golden Eagle , xAP Cape Newenham , xAP Thomas Barry ,
xAP Orizaba , xAP Monticello , xAP Hermitage ,
xAP President Buchanan , xAP St. Mihel , xAK Autolycus ,
xAK Gorgon screened from combat
CA New Orleans engages MTB G-229 at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
DD Arunta collides with xAP Merkur at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Malaita ,
xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine , xAP Maori ,
xAP Rangatira , xAP Van Cloon , xAP Kota Tjandi ,
xAP Kota Pinang , xAP Kota Baroe , xAP Kota Inten ,
xAP Kota Agoeng , xAP Tabinta , xAP Tjisadane ,
xAP Noordam , xAP Nathaniel Currier , xAP Jacques Laramie ,
xAP George D. Prentice , xAP Christopher Greenup screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Quadrant ,
DD Pathfinder , DD Scout , DD Arunta ,
DD Quiberon , DD Voyager , DD Chew ,
DD Aylwin , DD MacDonough , DD Farragut ,
DD Clark , DD Selfridge , DD Smith ,
DD Wilson , DE Harold C. Thomas , DE Weaver ,
DE Darby , DMS Howard
Range closes to 3,000 yards
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong , xAP Burwah ,
xAP Morinda , xAP Matua , xAP Malaita ,
xAP Merkur , xAP Wahine screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Quadrant ,
DD Pathfinder , DD Scout , DD Arunta ,
DD Quiberon , DD Chew , DD Aylwin ,
DD MacDonough , DD Farragut , DD Selfridge ,
DD Porter , DD Smith , DD Wilson ,
DD Sterett , DE Cauvery , DE Whitman ,
DE Harold C. Thomas , DE Elden , DE Cloues ,
DE Weaver , DMS Howard , AM Chief
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Clark collides with xAP Merkur at 174 , 141
xAP Christopher Greenup collides with xAP Malaita at 174 , 141
AGC Rocky Mount , APA Frederick Funston , AK Syrma ,
AK Zaurak , LST-226 , LST-225 ,
LST-221 , xAP Kooyong screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lawrence , DD Roebuck , DD Quadrant ,
DD Pathfinder , DD Scout , DD Arunta ,
DD Quiberon , DD Voyager , DD Chew ,
DD Aylwin , DD MacDonough , DD Farragut ,
DD Clark , DD Selfridge , DD Porter ,
DD Smith , DD Wilson , DD Sterett ,
DE Whitman , DE Harold C. Thomas , DE Elden ,
DE Cloues , DE Weaver , DE Darby ,
DMS Howard
Range increases to 8,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Sub Attacks

The midget subs can't get a fix on anything before getting blown out of the water.

ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-59, hits 5, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Mitchell
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke
AP Gen. H.W.Butner
AP William Ward Burrows
AK De Grasse
AK Venus
AK Megrez
AK Lesuth
AK Grumium
AK Gainsar
AK Caelum
AK Mintaka
AK Albireo
AK Draco
AK Arided, on fire
DE Sanders

SSX Ha-59 is sighted by escort
DE Sanders attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-60, hits 8, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
DD Chew
DD Selfridge
DE Cauvery
DE Weaver
AM Impeccable
LST-226
xAP Morinda
xAP Wahine
xAP Kota Pinang
xAP Tjisadane
xAP Christopher Greenup
xAP Golden Eagle
xAP Hermitage
xAK Whangpu
xAK Tuscaloosa City
xAK Carolinian
DD Lawrence
DD Pathfinder
DD Scout

SSX Ha-60 is sighted by escort
DD Lawrence fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Pathfinder fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Scout attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub
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Sub attack near Enderbury Island at 160,140

Japanese Ships
PB Fukui Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Uchide Maru
E Taboko

Allied Ships
SS Halibut

SS Halibut launches 2 torpedoes at PB Fukui Maru
Halibut diving deep ....
E Taboko attacking submerged sub ....
E Taboko is out of ASW ammo
E Taboko is out of ASW ammo
E Taboko fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Taboko fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Taboko fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Taboko fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-58, hits 11, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Mitchell
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke, heavy damage
AP Gen. H.W.Butner
AP William Ward Burrows
AK De Grasse
AK Venus
AK Megrez, heavy damage
AK Lesuth
AK Grumium
AK Gainsar
AK Caelum
AK Mintaka
AK Albireo, heavy damage
AK Draco, heavy damage
AK Arided, heavy damage
DE Sanders

SSX Ha-58 is sighted by escort
DE Sanders attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-42, hits 14, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
DD Chew
DD Selfridge
DE Cauvery
DE Weaver
AM Impeccable
LST-226
xAP Morinda
xAP Rangatira, heavy damage
xAP Kota Inten
xAP Nathaniel Currier
xAP Benjamin Lundy, heavy damage
xAP Thomas Barry
xAP St. Mihel
xAK Kauri
xAK Missourian
DD Lawrence
DD Pathfinder

SSX Ha-42 is sighted by escort
DD Lawrence fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Pathfinder attacking submerged sub ....
Sounds of submarine breaking up detected!
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Christmas Island at 174,141
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 110 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 21
B6N1 Jill x 15
B6N2 Jill x 12
N1K1-J George x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 4 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
AK Megrez, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAP Benjamin Lundy, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD MacDonough
AP Gen. J.R.Brooke, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans
AK Draco, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DE Wyman

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 12000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
14 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
2 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
1 x B6N1 Jill bombing from 12000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 48

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Fanning Island , at 172,137
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
N1K1-J George x 20

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
S-305 Hikotai with A6M5 Zero (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
752 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
204 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
312th BG/386th BS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Christmas Island at 174,141
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 91 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 17
B6N1 Jill x 13
B6N2 Jill x 12
N1K1-J George x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 2 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1
AP Gen. H.W.Butner, Torpedo hits 1
DD Farragut
xAP Christopher Greenup
xAP Rangatira, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Wyman
DD MacDonough
AK Albireo, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on 54th Division, at 174,141 (Christmas Island)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 26
Barracuda II x 18
Corsair II x 26
Hellcat I x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 147
F6F-3 Hellcat x 308
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 168
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 211

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 5 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
427 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15908 troops, 276 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 501
Defending force 62509 troops, 1428 guns, 1338 vehicles, Assault Value = 2140

Japanese ground losses:
465 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
12th Engineer Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
Sasebo 6th SNLF
144th Infantry RCT /1
54th Division
18th Naval Guard Unit
5th Amphibious Bde /13
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
15th JNAF AF Unit
56th JNAF AF Unit
80th JAAF AF Bn
11th RF Gun Battalion
4th Fleet
19th Army
53rd Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th JAAF AF Bn
49th JNAF AF Unit
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
6th Naval Const Bn /2

Defending units:
93rd Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
37th Infantry Division
22nd Marine Regiment
43rd Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
XIV US Corps
1/198th Coast AA Battalion
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Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 60676 troops, 1397 guns, 1333 vehicles, Assault Value = 2135
Defending force 25356 troops, 356 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 498

Allied adjusted assault: 2663
Japanese adjusted defense: 29

Allied assault odds: 91 to 1 (fort level 5)
Allied forces CAPTURE Christmas Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
7836 casualties reported
Squads: 235 destroyed, 298 disabled
Non Combat: 182 destroyed, 224 disabled
Engineers: 128 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 294 (268 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Vehicles lost 202 (197 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
1944 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 160 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 75 (1 destroyed, 74 disabled)

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
1st Marine Division
22nd Marine Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
93rd Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
XIV US Corps
1/198th Coast AA Battalion

Defending units:
54th Division
Sasebo 6th SNLF
18th Tank Regiment
144th Infantry RCT /1
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF
12th Engineer Regiment
18th Naval Guard Unit
5th Amphibious Bde /13
4th Air Division
15th JNAF AF Unit
11th RF Gun Battalion
56th JNAF AF Unit
26th Air Defense AA Regiment
19th Army
80th JAAF AF Bn
41st Infantry Regiment
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Fleet
53rd Construction Battalion
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
5th JAAF AF Bn
49th JNAF AF Unit
6th Naval Const Bn /2
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26th Air Defense AA Regiment Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!
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23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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12th Engineer Regiment Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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41st Infantry Regiment Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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18th Tank Regiment Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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Sasebo 6th SNLF Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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18th Naval Guard Unit Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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11th RF Gun Battalion Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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Yokosuka 3rd SNLF Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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53rd Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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15th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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49th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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5th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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80th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!

Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Apr 21, 44

Some good news!

BB Revenge is reported to have been sunk near Port Moresby on Mar 16, 1944
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Post #: 3045
RE: Kill em all! - 11/5/2011 8:40:51 AM   
inqistor


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Status: offline 		Hmm strange... maybe Allies got so much firepower, that they managed to disable whole Division during battle? Anyway, with 5 Forts still intact it is really strange.
But 16 B-29 lost in a week, in unneeded support of some periphery operation is a good news

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB


Need some help here; why doesn't my ac upgrade?
E.g. Tony Ic should update to Tony Id in 04/44 but 18 days in and with plenty supply - no upgrade.
Same issues with some Helen IIbs - hoped they would upgrade to Peggy but nope.
Again the same issue with the Jack, new version available but no upgrades.

In original WITP it could take up to 100 days to upgrade factory (in one of my games it took almost 3 months to upgrade original CLAUDE factory, and I increased it, counting on increased production of ZEROs in January )

quote:

2. A renewed air effort from Fanning Island claimed 6 B-29s shot down
3. Strikes from Fanning Island against an unprotected Allied invasion force claimed 8 torpedo hits on assaults transports, troop ships and a heavy cruiser

So, your airforce still operates at Line Islands? I thought all airfields were closed.

quote:

13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /15
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad 44 lost in surf during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /18
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 3rd Marine Div /15
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /15
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Marine Div
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost in surf during unload of 1st Marine Div
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /20
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Marine Div /18
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 accidentally lost during unload of 3rd Marine Div /17
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 3rd Marine Div /18
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /17
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /21
Motorized Support lost from landing craft during unload of 43rd Infantry Div /21
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /18
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /19
13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 93rd Infantry Div /19
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 3rd Marine Div /21

It seems whole operation was hastily assembled, as one of the Divisions do not had even time to upgrade their squads.

quote:

The combination of another CAG strike - all ac now attacking our key 54th division + another forced bombardment by our troops caused
over 1000 casualties and massive disruption.

I am guessing it would not help, but have you tried to put your troops into Reserve? I doubt it, but maybe that way they will not auto-bombard (and probably will refuse to take part in defense also )?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

What is your source? BTW I went through my aviation literature yesterday and the D4Y performance values in various subtypes are pretty close to or precise wikipedia stuff. It looks like there are very few sources for Japanese hardware and some of them are contradicting each other, sometimes even themselves. For example I have 2 IMHO(otherwise) very creditable books that say Ki-61, Ki-100 and Ki-44 armaments in every sub-model are different to what they are in Witpae. Neither of them lists their own sources so what can we do... So much easier with the German stuff as online, there are 50+ Rechlin tests for both prototypes and production examples for everything at every altitude, temperature, flap and radiator position etc.

This is directly from TMJ AT A-11 AERONAUTICS TARGETS, AIRCRAFT ARRANGEMENTS AND HANDLING FACILITIES IN JAPANESE NAVAL VESSELS manual
dated 4 February 1946

Some time ago there was link to post of some guy, about his research about TOJO, where he stated original armament, together with production numbers, and chasis numbers. He said, that most of Japanese aircraft data in literature is taken directly from Japanese Airforce Encyclopedia, so hardly REAL source.

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Post #: 3046
RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/5/2011 5:57:53 PM   
witpqs


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

This was mostly a good turn that was tainted by the semi-surprising fall of Christmas Island!
- The reason; Andy finally got a good dice roll and a 2600+ AV adjusted shock attack while our adjusted defense was 29
So Allies got a 91-1 !!!!!!!! odds

That's quite insane really, 500 AV more than reported combat strength for a worn down enemy force and 29 for our 30k troops with 5 forts.
...the latter is borked unfortunately, such thing will happen from time to time in a game of this complexity I guess.

The combination of another CAG strike - all ac now attacking our key 54th division + another forced bombardment by our troops caused
over 1000 casualties and massive disruption. While the fall of Christmas Island was inevitable unless we gambled with sending in the Kido Butai I'm still
pointing a finger at the uber effectiveness of ground attack ac. Our strongest fortress should have been able to resist for more than a week with over 35000 troops.

Just nothing to be done about it really.


I don't know about the 29 adjusted AV of your forces, but the adjusted AV of Andy's force seems more in line with expectations for a shock attack. Look at the unit list and you will notice that he was finally attacking with all complete units. I do not know what his interim leaders were (for the 4 division fragments operating previously), but it is reasonable to expect that the permanent commanders of those divisions were among the best available.

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Post #: 3047
RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/5/2011 9:14:50 PM   
PaxMondo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

This was mostly a good turn that was tainted by the semi-surprising fall of Christmas Island!
- The reason; Andy finally got a good dice roll and a 2600+ AV adjusted shock attack while our adjusted defense was 29
So Allies got a 91-1 !!!!!!!! odds

That's quite insane really, 500 AV more than reported combat strength for a worn down enemy force and 29 for our 30k troops with 5 forts.
...the latter is borked unfortunately, such thing will happen from time to time in a game of this complexity I guess.

The combination of another CAG strike - all ac now attacking our key 54th division + another forced bombardment by our troops caused
over 1000 casualties and massive disruption. While the fall of Christmas Island was inevitable unless we gambled with sending in the Kido Butai I'm still
pointing a finger at the uber effectiveness of ground attack ac. Our strongest fortress should have been able to resist for more than a week with over 35000 troops.

Just nothing to be done about it really.


I agree, it should have held out at least 30 days if not 60. But, in the thread in MAIN there is little to no support to any change. They discount Iwo as being the exception and feel even 7 days to be too long. I'm quite surprised by that. Thanks for posting.

Oh well, just means more HR's in PBEM. I'm very surprised that point in my discussion was not picked up. No one even brought up C&G's AAR and why it ended. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water ...

And for those of us who play the AI and can't use HR's, it means more editting. I'm using Nemo's fix for the 4E's now: put the 500lb bombs into sticks of 4 - 8 each. Still testing on the balance yet in Downfall. Time consuming of course. And worse, very few people will ever expend this effort ...

Keep up the good fight. I am sure this will go down as the premier IJ AAR that will ever get posted. I doubt anyone will ever duplicate your results.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/5/2011 10:14:04 PM   
kfsgo

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I agree, it should have held out at least 30 days if not 60. But, in the thread in MAIN there is little to no support to any change. They discount Iwo as being the exception and feel even 7 days to be too long. I'm quite surprised by that. Thanks for posting.



Without wanting to come across as unpleasant - have you actually looked at the two islands? Iwo Jima is smaller, sure, but in terms of actual land area the difference is less than you'd think - the thing about Christmas Island is that most of its 'land' is actually extremely saline lagoon - horrible, horrible place, unless you're a seagull.

As far as defending it - Iwo Jima is a volcanic island, about 200-250ft ASL on average, with high (if somewhat seasonal) rainfall - so you've got a constant fresh water supply wherever you are, it's practical to store what you can collect on a fairly large scale, and you can crack down into extremely hard bedrock for your caves, gun pits, storage etc.

Xmas is an arid carbonate atoll - well, there's very little rainfall, but you can actually hit fresh water just by digging down a few feet at some points, so it's not conceptually as completely arid as you might think by looking at the climate, but I suspect at this point - after hosting tens of thousands of Japanese for years - that resource would mostly have become saline; you're removing freshwater from the carbonates, basically, and that's a reservoir that recharges very slowly. Most of the island is only 10ft or so above sea level, if that, there's no fringing reef to make landings difficult, everything you build has to be at or above the surface (because anything you dig into the carbonate will flood), you can't retreat into the interior (because it's nearly all hypersaline lagoon and you'll die of thirst within a few days) and the size of it means you can't concentrate against landings effectively. It's more or less the worst place in the world to try and hold on to against an armed, pissed-off landing force and I'm astonished that it (conceptually) took as long as a week.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 1:37:01 AM   
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Nothing you stated was unpleasant, but from my perspective it is moot.

Basically, with LBA bombardment, the allies can take any island in 7 days. So, once the allies get 2:1 naval a/c advantage (to negate the KB) how fast do you think you can take Okinawa and be bombing the HI? That stands in contrast to the 3 years it actually took.

That is the fundamental issue. Think this through and I beleive you'll see what the end result is going to be ....

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 2:25:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ksfgo,

Nothing you stated was unpleasant, but from my perspective it is moot.

Basically, with LBA bombardment, the allies can take any island in 7 days. So, once the allies get 2:1 naval a/c advantage (to negate the KB) how fast do you think you can take Okinawa and be bombing the HI? That stands in contrast to the 3 years it actually took.

That is the fundamental issue. Think this through and I beleive you'll see what the end result is going to be ....


It didn't really take three years though, did it? I mean - the Central Pacific stuff really begins with occupations of Tarawa and Makin (Nov. 1943), then Kwajalein and Eniwetok (Feb. 1944), then the Marianas (June-Aug. 1944), then Iwo (Feb. 45), then ends with Okinawa (Apr. 45). So really you're talking a year and a half - and that's including invasions of the Palaus (Sept. 1944) and Phillipines (Oct. 44 - Mar. 45) which from a purely military point of view are probably not capital-N Necessary, just nice to have/politically useful. Given that a B-29 can do Marianas-Japan you're effectively starting to bomb Tokyo in about September 1944, which is what, ten months?

Clearly there was plenty going on in the period between Nov. 43 and Dec. 1941, but that's by the by - there's been plenty going on here, too.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 3:23:30 AM   
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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 12:29:37 PM   
janh

 

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Status: offline 		Ok, let's look a bit closer at it (and we need to look at the game facts first here):

Christmas Island: atoll, flat and open, but a very large island without stacking limits at all. So plenty of space for digging and building a defensive installation with depth as presumably represented by a "fort level of 6".  Given the time PzB spent preparing the island, you can consider probably concrete bunkers and tough coastal defenses (though not comparable to a fixed installation, i.e. fort >=7).  Airfield and port limits 5 and 1, resp. (+3), right?  Airfields of size >4 represent more than just a single airstrip (for <=4, i.e. the bomber limit, it may be more representative of the size of a single strip), i.e. there are going to be large bases on PzBs island.

Iwo Jima: terrain type rough, a tiny island with a staking limit of 30,000 troops, 8,000 supply and 3,000 fuel; max port and airfield building limits 1 and 1 (+3). So can hold 1 airstrip with a sufficient infrastructure for 4EB.  But supply is not going to burn fast here under LBA and naval bombardment, if the IJ stations 30,000 troops here.

PzB had about ~35,000 troops, Andy brought some 66,000 party crashers (and sure these numbers alone don't tell the full combat value story). I estimated reinforcements by subsequent the battle statistics, but there is FOW and disabled recovery adding some (?) error bar.  Losses to date were (should be about all):

Total; thereof  pure land battle casualties; areal bombing;
Japanese ground losses:   (destroyed/disabled)
casualties reported:   18580;     14783;       2026
Squads:                434/665;     348/472;     3/207
Non Combat:        219/646;    195/443;     4/154
Engineers:               130/84;      128/73;     0/7
Guns lost:              363/174;     330/134;    5/18
Vehicles lost:         210/119;     203/102;    2/16

Allied ground losses:
casualties reported:   7606;       6211;
Squads:                  65/797;     17/706;
Non Combat:          5/290;      1/140;  
Engineers:                 5/83;       3/79;      
Guns lost:              12/262;       4/254;     
Vehicles lost:          12/125;     2/123;    

The difference of the subcategories to the total are landing and autobombardment losses.  There was one naval bombardment by Andy's BB's, and it was not overly destructive (363 cas. 24 destr. and 34 disabled of all categories), but relatively caused more destroyed squads than air missions.  Otherwise it strikes that despite little effect, the auto-bombardment of Andy's landings caused very significant IJ casualties (some 100 destroyed squads alone!), almost more than air, and therefore probably although lots of unnecessary disruption.  I don't believe a Japanese commander would have kept up that effort after the 1st or 2nd bloody nose full of Allied shells. Would be nice to be able to turn such wasteful stupidity off (which is true for AI also!).
Note that the aerial bombing, though comparably light due to the fact that only some 150 B29 were involved and the Allied CV strikes set in late, didn't cause large numbers of destroyed, but very significant losses in disabled squads despite the defenders being heavily fortified. I wonder what these losses would have been without forts -- that would be a interesting comparison.

Overall, the Allied losses are comparably low, which may in part be due to IJ retreat/rout.  Allied suffered 94% disabled squads, vehicles, guns (93% only squads).  This speaks for a much different medical infrastructure, and different idea of treating wounded.  Japanese suffered 55% disabled (64% squads only).  Prior to the last battle, the Allied losses with 5662 men (4267 battle) were about half the Japanese, 10,744 men (6947 battle), though. While it doesn't change Allied disablement ratios, Japaense suffered 76% disabled (78% squads only) prior to the rout. As evident from PzB's last battle report, almost half of the destroyed IJ combat squads, and almost all of the other destroyed elements are due to the last defeat, while disabled account for less than half of the total.

Now compare to some historic battles. But which mimics it best? Tarawa is surely a bad comparison -- very small atoll, very small garrison, but large yet unexperience allied assault force.   Tinian, Okinawa and Kwajelein seems to be poor comparisons either.  Especially Okinawa: just too different to extrapolate from some 1,000-20,000 men to battles involving some 150,000.  There is no simple linear scaling as we all know from the ongoing discussions.

Iwo Jima, Palau, and Guam seem to be closest matches. Iwo Jima has very different terrain and was much much smaller, but had comparable IJ preparation time. There within almost 4 weeks, of 70,000 attacking Allied soldiers some 27,000 had dropped.  Of the 22,000 well dug-in defenders, barely anyone came out alive.  So it took a lot longer, and was a lot bloodier -- longer and bloodier are linked, sure.  For the time factor, keep in mind that the examples below propably refer to the total cleaning of the island, probably not only to taking the key installations and control.  PzB may hold out a few more days, but I bet it will be less than 2 weeks in total until the last IJ troops fall.

On Guam, within some 3 weeks, 7,700 out of some 36,000 Allied landing troops, and 18,000 out of 22,000 japanese defenders made it onto the casualty lists. Guam compares well in size and terrain with Christmas Islands I guess. The Japanese are claimed to have not been heavily fortified and well-prepared there, which is supported by the relatively low allied losses.  So clearly, preparation is different and should make a huge difference, but despite that, it took the allied forces 3 weeks.

On Palau, a drawn-out battle of almost 2 months took place in which the Allied attackers suffered some 9,000 casualties (out of 21,000) and the Japanese lost basically all of their 11,000 defenders.  Palau is a little hilly, but not too small, of similar climate, and was also well prepared (as were the attackers). Force ratios are close, so it seems like a great match.  For the total force strength, multiply by 3 to get to PzBs numbers, hence also 27,000 Allied versus 33,000 japanese casualties.  Apparently, this battle for Christmas was also over much much quicker, and far less bloody.  Despite fortification, terrain and preparation being rather similar.

So all that I can conclude from this is that obviously you must picture the battle as a major surprise, say once sector of PzBs trenches and strongpoints held by a very disrupted minor formation was targeted by the Allied for a major breakthru, and suddenly gave way.  With Allied troops streaming past the line into the depth of the Japanese position, all their discipline and training went overboards and a rout ensued.  Perhaps this is a way to view it. Yet such an instance should not be too common.  Once this AAR is over, you could take the save games, change things around a bit and play the invasion a couple of time to check this.  My gut feeling says the random effects lead to a bit broad distribution of the outcomes, rather than a little more sharply peaking distribution.
Maybe it is unfortunate that we can see our AV (and without FOW, communication errors etc), which means a lot more than pure combat strength, but also represents the course of the fighting and a lot of other unforseable effects.


< Message edited by janh -- 11/6/2011 12:30:10 PM >

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 12:42:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice analysis. The one thing I would say is that Christmas Island is an atoll in the game and therefore the terrain is not really comparable to Palau or Guam in that respect.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 6:48:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been a busy weekend, just sent the last turn to Andy!

Nice analysis Janh!

Fanning Island was hit hard a few times but engineers kept the place going; when all Allied ac concentrated on Xmas Island
I seized the opportunity to send bombers and fighters back to the island. To bad I didn't send more bombers but I expected enemy CAG to CAP Xmas.

As I see it; when a base is captured in this game it's game - set & match.
Supplies are lost, all troops are routed, all base facilities are lost.

Will take Andy only a few days to mop up the last 10k troops as you can see screen below!

Japan has many things going for her in WitP AE but this particular aspect works in the other direction.
Perhaps it's necessary to force bases to fall more quickly to enable Allies to advance on Japan...
Very very seldom do we see someone invade Japan proper, endgame after loosing on points is more usual.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 9:09:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I agree, it should have held out at least 30 days if not 60. But, in the thread in MAIN there is little to no support to any change. They discount Iwo as being the exception and feel even 7 days to be too long.

Technically Iwo Jima goal was to secure islands airfields, so from game point of view, base should fall within few days, but Japanese troops should NOT be defeated, and should still keep their fortification levels, so... how to simulate that?

quote:

And for those of us who play the AI and can't use HR's, it means more editting. I'm using Nemo's fix for the 4E's now: put the 500lb bombs into sticks of 4 - 8 each. Still testing on the balance yet in Downfall. Time consuming of course. And worse, very few people will ever expend this effort ...

HEY! That was my idea!
Have you tried shortening range of defensive bombers MGs? Nemo tried to cut their accuracy, but after halving two times without much effect, there is barely anything to cut more.

quote:

Basically, with LBA bombardment, the allies can take any island in 7 days. So, once the allies get 2:1 naval a/c advantage (to negate the KB) how fast do you think you can take Okinawa and be bombing the HI? That stands in contrast to the 3 years it actually took.

That is the fundamental issue. Think this through and I beleive you'll see what the end result is going to be ....

Actually, the main problem is that winner get very few permanent casualties. IRL wounded should be transported to rears, and can never recover. In-game, in two weeks, you will have most of your disabled squads operational, without ANY effort.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Very very seldom do we see someone invade Japan proper, endgame after loosing on points is more usual.

Thats because most Japanese players surrender in early 1945

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 10:32:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it IS tempting to surrender in 1945 for many reasons; the agony of playing another year with the daily 5000 ground attack missions is high on the list

No attack on Christmas Island; guess Allied troops are resting.
Gives me a chance to airlift out elements of the different units left there.

In Burma things suddenly exploded!
The ultra large Allied army north of Moulmein shock attacked accross the river
- No Allied air attacks today, me thinks this was FUBAR - weather or human.

The results were horrendours; we took 7k casualties, one of our divisions took the brunt and was reduced from 440 AV to 120.
BUT the Allies were massacred! Almost 33000 casualties.

Japanese ground losses:
7048 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 669 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 168 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 137 disabled
Guns lost 234 (15 destroyed, 219 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (5 destroyed, 48 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
32779 casualties reported
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 995 disabled
Engineers: 195 destroyed, 356 disabled
Guns lost 649 (267 destroyed, 382 disabled)
Vehicles lost 363 (28 destroyed, 335 disabled)

No snag of this, had turn the app off...
Our adjusted AV was 8000 while enemy was reduced from 7500 to 2200 or so.
This time I had 2 Area Army HQs and 3 Corps HQ in range, plenty supplies, rested troops but only 3 forts in a jungle base hex.

Ok we got 3000 AV left at Moulmein but plenty of reinforcements nearby.
So the questions are:

1. Should we reinforce Moulmein or leave it as is?
- My plans are to move out the depleted units and move in fresh ones and bring AV back to 3600-4000 asap.
2. Was this a mortal wound to Allied assault capabilities in Burma?

My gut feeling is that we got some time now; Andy will mull and rest his troops at least 3-4-5-6 days before attacking again.
Expecting supremely heavy air attacks before another attempt goes in, alternatively the enemy units east of Moulmein will do their move onto
the west - east railroad, but we're ready for that.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 22, 44

Sub Attacks

Crawling with subs between Canton and Line Islands...this is what KB would meet if going in here:

Sub attack near Enderbury Island at 159,141

Japanese Ships
PB Fukui Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Hammerhead

SS Hammerhead launches 2 torpedoes at PB Fukui Maru
Sub escapes detection
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Sub attack near Enderbury Island at 159,141

Japanese Ships
PB Tonon Maru

Allied Ships
SS Piranha

SS Piranha launches 2 torpedoes at PB Tonon Maru
Piranha diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection
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Sub attack near Enderbury Island at 160,140

Japanese Ships
PB Uchide Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-47

Captain of SS S-47 elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
S-47 diving deep ....
PB Uchide Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Uchide Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Uchide Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Uchide Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Uchide Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Sub attack near Enderbury Island at 160,140

Japanese Ships
PB Uchide Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Silversides

SS Silversides launches 2 torpedoes at PB Uchide Maru
Silversides diving deep ....
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

One FUBAR; mis-judged a minelaying run and the TF ended up just south of Rangoon.
In the 2nd attack luck ran out, afraid the large ML will sink soon...

Another large CAG attack hits Fanning Island; another fort 6 atoll; one of the regiment suffers over 300 casualties.
2-3 attacks like this and defensive value of fortress has been severly reduced.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 53,55
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 9
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
PV-1N Ventura x 1
SBD-5 Dauntless x 13

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CM Tokiwa

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
11 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bassein at 51,52
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 4
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Trevaylor
xAK Marcus Daly
DD Stembel

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 53,55
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7
SBD-5 Dauntless x 13

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CM Tokiwa, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
E W-29, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring E W-29
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Afternoon Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 172,137 (Fanning Island)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 7
Corsair II x 13
Hellcat I x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 148
F6F-3 Hellcat x 289
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 159
TBM-1C Avenger x 150

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 7 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
278 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 172,137 (Fanning Island)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 19
Barracuda II x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 13
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 56

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking Det. 3rd Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Det. 3rd Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Det. 3rd Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Det. 3rd Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Infantry Regiment ...
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1231 troops, 9 guns, 224 vehicles, Assault Value = 1948
Defending force 9021 troops, 63 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
22nd Marine Regiment
37th Infantry Division
1st Marine Division
93rd Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
XIV US Corps
1/198th Coast AA Battalion
V US Amphib Force /1

Defending units:
54th Division
144th Infantry RCT /1
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 183419 troops, 3206 guns, 3089 vehicles, Assault Value = 7532
Defending force 113393 troops, 1323 guns, 1102 vehicles, Assault Value = 3553

Allied adjusted assault: 2251
Japanese adjusted defense: 8051

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
7048 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 669 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 168 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 137 disabled
Guns lost 234 (15 destroyed, 219 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (5 destroyed, 48 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
32779 casualties reported
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 995 disabled
Engineers: 195 destroyed, 356 disabled
Guns lost 649 (267 destroyed, 382 disabled)
Vehicles lost 363 (28 destroyed, 335 disabled)

Assaulting units:
26th Indian Division
5th Indian Division
Gardner's Horse Regiment
75th IAC Regiment
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
3rd Commando Brigade
32nd Infantry Division
16th Canadian Brigade
23rd Chindit Brigade
16th Chindit Brigade
267th Armoured Brigade
4th Marine Regiment
7th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
84th Indian Brigade
Merrills Marauders Regiment
17th Indian Division
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
36th Indian Division
11th PAVO Regiment
18th British Division
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
44th Indian Brigade
25th Indian Division
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
75th Indian Brigade
31st Infantry Regiment
45th Indian Brigade
14th Chindit Brigade
Guides Cavalry Regiment
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
268th Motorised Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade
23rd Indian Division
46th Indian Brigade
9th Australian Division
XV Indian Corps
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Light AA Regiment
14th Army
134th Field Artillery Battalion
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
IV Indian Corps
2nd Indian AA Bde
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd AA Bde
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
IV Corps RIASC Base Force
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Corps RIASC Base Force

Defending units:
69th Division
47th Infantry Regiment
4th Guards Division
3rd Raiding Regiment
2nd Guards Division
55th Engineer Regiment
9th Division
56th Engineer Regiment
11th Division
33rd Division
48th Engineer Regiment
3rd Tank Division
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
7th RTA/B Division
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
40th JNAF AF Unit
8th JAAF AF Bn
1st JAAF Base Force
15th Army
4th Shipping Engineer Regiment
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
39th Road Const Co
51st Field AA Battalion
16th AA Regiment
48th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
102nd Machine Canno AA Battalion
26th Special Base Force
56th Field AA Battalion
Burma Area Army
55th Field AA Battalion
28th Army
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
62nd Field AA Battalion
51st Ind.AA Gun Co
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Mortar Battalion
21st Army
1st Provisional Base Force
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Allied Burma Army

I've sorted the Allied army!
3 Army Corps HQs
12 different divisions
17 Inf regiments and brigades
8 armored regiments and brigades
10 arty units
4 AA units
2 base force units and 3 aux units

26th Indian Division
5th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
7th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
17th Indian Division
36th Indian Division
18th British Division
25th Indian Division
23rd Indian Division
9th Australian Division

3rd Commando Brigade
16th Canadian Brigade
23rd Chindit Brigade
16th Chindit Brigade
4th Marine Regiment
84th Indian Brigade
Merrills Marauders Regiment
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
11th PAVO Regiment
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
44th Indian Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
75th Indian Brigade
31st Infantry Regiment
45th Indian Brigade
14th Chindit Brigade
46th Indian Brigade

267th Armoured Brigade
Gardner's Horse Regiment
75th IAC Regiment
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
3rd Cavalry Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade

641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment

14th Army
XV Indian Corps
IV Indian Corps

2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Light AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd AA Bde
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

IV Corps RIASC Base Force
XV Corps RIASC Base Force

New Army bomber with torpedo ordnance




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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/6/2011 11:29:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice! Not sure how much of a breather you've bought, but I would guess about a week. You might want to shore up Moulmein until you feel sure you can stop attacks by this stack while the rest threaten flanks to bleed off his reinforcements.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 2:24:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: inqistor


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I agree, it should have held out at least 30 days if not 60. But, in the thread in MAIN there is little to no support to any change. They discount Iwo as being the exception and feel even 7 days to be too long.

Technically Iwo Jima goal was to secure islands airfields, so from game point of view, base should fall within few days, but Japanese troops should NOT be defeated, and should still keep their fortification levels, so... how to simulate that?


Don't know. I do know the implications on the game if the most heavily fortified island bases fall within 7 days.

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And for those of us who play the AI and can't use HR's, it means more editting. I'm using Nemo's fix for the 4E's now: put the 500lb bombs into sticks of 4 - 8 each. Still testing on the balance yet in Downfall. Time consuming of course. And worse, very few people will ever expend this effort ...

HEY! That was my idea!


Sorry! I pulled the idea out of Nemo's thread. Did not know the originator...

Kudos to a good idea.


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Basically, with LBA bombardment, the allies can take any island in 7 days. So, once the allies get 2:1 naval a/c advantage (to negate the KB) how fast do you think you can take Okinawa and be bombing the HI? That stands in contrast to the 3 years it actually took.

That is the fundamental issue. Think this through and I beleive you'll see what the end result is going to be ....

Actually, the main problem is that winner get very few permanent casualties. IRL wounded should be transported to rears, and can never recover. In-game, in two weeks, you will have most of your disabled squads operational, without ANY effort.

I think you're missing my point. Walk this through, if the best defended island can be taken in 7 days, what does that mean in the game? Doesn't matter how it is taken, simply that IJ cannot hold any island for more than 7 days.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 3:14:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Scary thoughts Pax. Do we know why the Devs are so wedded to the auto-bombardments? It seems that was a big factor here. Is it one of the little oddities hard coded deep in the bowels of the game they just can't rip out or is it in for some other reason?

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