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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 1:03:22 PM   
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Here is the section from tha manual:

7.4.2.3 KAMIKAZES
Kamikazes are activated if the Allies own a base within 15 hexes (traced by sea only) of either
Tokyo, Takao, or Saigon. However, these will never activate before January 1, 1944. Once
Kamikazes are activated, the Air Unit Information Screen for Japanese players will show
a Kamikaze option if no squadron has been converted to kamikaze yet this day and if the
aircraft squadron is of the appropriate type (essentially anything other than a Transport aircraft
squadron can become a Kamikaze squadron). The player is limited to one conversion per day,
but may not re-convert a Kamikaze unit to regular status. The computer will prompt the player
to confirm their choice before proceeding, giving you a chance to reconsider.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 2:31:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is the section from tha manual:

7.4.2.3 KAMIKAZES
Kamikazes are activated if the Allies own a base within 15 hexes (traced by sea only) of either
Tokyo, Takao, or Saigon. However, these will never activate before January 1, 1944. Once
Kamikazes are activated, the Air Unit Information Screen for Japanese players will show
a Kamikaze option if no squadron has been converted to kamikaze yet this day and if the
aircraft squadron is of the appropriate type (essentially anything other than a Transport aircraft
squadron can become a Kamikaze squadron). The player is limited to one conversion per day,
but may not re-convert a Kamikaze unit to regular status. The computer will prompt the player
to confirm their choice before proceeding, giving you a chance to reconsider.



From the patch notes:

78. Gameplay Change: The kamikaze activation range has been changed from 15 to 20 hexes. The range was not changed when the game scale was changed


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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 3:33:31 PM   
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3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.



While the B-29's are not up to snuff the B-17G's are. As this game could certainly go until 1946 you get scads of really, really good 4EB's in late 45 and on. The B-17G's absolutely rock and anything within their range will just cease to exist when they arrive along with all those p-51's. GreyJoy, if you have some cycles between turns you might want to start an AI game with the Downfall scenario. You could start to hone your tactics with you new toys vs. Japan's new toys. Those jets with the 4x30mm cannons are a bitch, but the rest of the stuff is manageable.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 11:43:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is the section from tha manual:

7.4.2.3 KAMIKAZES
Kamikazes are activated if the Allies own a base within 15 hexes (traced by sea only) of either
Tokyo, Takao, or Saigon. However, these will never activate before January 1, 1944. Once
Kamikazes are activated, the Air Unit Information Screen for Japanese players will show
a Kamikaze option if no squadron has been converted to kamikaze yet this day and if the
aircraft squadron is of the appropriate type (essentially anything other than a Transport aircraft
squadron can become a Kamikaze squadron). The player is limited to one conversion per day,
but may not re-convert a Kamikaze unit to regular status. The computer will prompt the player
to confirm their choice before proceeding, giving you a chance to reconsider.



From the patch notes:

78. Gameplay Change: The kamikaze activation range has been changed from 15 to 20 hexes. The range was not changed when the game scale was changed




I made a decision to early activate by taking Toyohara. I got in good range of lots of strat targets, but I paid a lot in kami losses. I don't think I'd ever early activate in a Scen 2 PBEM game.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 12:37:45 AM   
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Do Chinese owned bases count against this? Seems to me that the Chinese still owning Wenchow or something wouldn't be enough historically to trigger a kamikaze doctrine (unless the allies were close enough elsewhere to exploit it), but it's clearly within the range. Couldn't the Japanese just "hack" this by never attacking Wenchow, which starts owned by the Chinese? Seems to me that giving up that relatively little industry would be worth guaranteed early activation.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 1:20:53 AM   
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Your virtual hug made my day. Now go get them! The Java area can be a godsend for your 4Es


Nice to have you back Jeff!




I've been here the whole time. Just busier than a 15$ hooker. We're in fall harvest all over the Midwestern US my brother.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 4:05:24 AM   
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Do Chinese owned bases count against this? Seems to me that the Chinese still owning Wenchow or something wouldn't be enough historically to trigger a kamikaze doctrine (unless the allies were close enough elsewhere to exploit it), but it's clearly within the range. Couldn't the Japanese just "hack" this by never attacking Wenchow, which starts owned by the Chinese? Seems to me that giving up that relatively little industry would be worth guaranteed early activation.


No, Chinese bases don't count.

Alfred

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 6:52:57 AM   
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Back on track...

Dec 21, 22 1943

It's official. Rader is evacuating India. Multan has been suddenly abbandoned ()... my Eastern Army, divided into two different army corps, is already marching to the town, precedeed by the 111th Chindit Bde that will be paradropped tomorrow. Base forces and eng are ready to be strat moved from Karachi.

Sincerly this is the strangest move i could ever think... Multan was fortress...protected on 3 sides by the river... i would have never been able to open a breach here...Why in the world Rader has abbandoned it...only God knows......So now the Indian theatre is open back again...let's see if i can do something good about it...

In Sopac Munda is taking so long to recover after my naval bombing...

In SWPAC, a trench war is starting between Buna and Salamua...Rader puts in line 2 armies, composed of 2 divisions (the 4th and the 5th...both without heavy equipment...still lingering on Tulagi beaches ) and 4 Inf Rgts...against my 3 reinforced divisions and 6 tank units...but we got the air controll over the area. Our 4Es keep on pounding his troops every day and his AFs in the area remain really damaged and not operative...

our fleet is refueling at Ndeni, where it will soon start to load the invasio force for Choiseul Bay...

still no sign of his KB....while between Rabaul and Shortland 1300 planes are massed...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 8:37:06 AM   
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Still thinking about Multan... now a whole new scenario is open... 500k japanese fighting troops are free to be moved anywhere... have to speed up my preparation for the new plans in SWPAC and northern Oz...it will surely take some time to Rader to evacuate all those troops...but he's able to do that...he has already prooved that!...but why is he abbandoning the Indian industry!? I cannot find a decent answer to that...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 9:44:35 AM   
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3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.



While the B-29's are not up to snuff the B-17G's are. As this game could certainly go until 1946 you get scads of really, really good 4EB's in late 45 and on. The B-17G's absolutely rock and anything within their range will just cease to exist when they arrive along with all those p-51's. GreyJoy, if you have some cycles between turns you might want to start an AI game with the Downfall scenario. You could start to hone your tactics with you new toys vs. Japan's new toys. Those jets with the 4x30mm cannons are a bitch, but the rest of the stuff is manageable.



I've set up some test scenarios...yes, shidens and those new KIs are really scary...they kill my bombers in droves... will be tough!

Anyway...cannot do anything at the moment about that...let's try to keep on pushing Rader while he ritires to his new inner perimeter

Thx mate!

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 9:48:06 AM   
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Equally you have a substantial force that is able to be used somehwere, you might also be able to weild your ever increasing number of top line aircraft.

Dont get suckered, take it one step at a time and be careful of a counter punch.




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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 11:14:16 AM   
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Perhaps Radar is thinking- damn that Greyjoy he's beating me everywhere- I've got to get these forces out of India and doing something useful before New Guinea and the DEI get's rolled up by the Allies.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 9:20:01 PM   
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I'll be curious to see where Rader draws his new defensive line in the theatre. I'd think giving up Multan means giving up Bombay and Madras almost by default, but will he pull all the way out of India at once?

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 9:42:56 PM   
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He's just getting ready to meet you in the DEI.


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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 10:24:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert

He's just getting ready to meet you in the DEI.




If that turns out to be the case, then GJ can just continue to push across India, through Burma, and into Malaya and Indochina. It's all good.

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Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:01:01 PM   
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Dec 23, 24 1943

It's confirmed. Rader has abbandoned Multan, moving his 430k troops to Lahore... The 111th Chindit has conquered Multan without firing a single shot...now forces for 4 Bdes are stra moving to Multan along with 240 Aviation support. Already 60 fighters are based there...while the Eastern Armym, strong of 11k AVs is moving to the city.

Why Rader has done that remains a mistery to me...he has moved to Lahore and placed several fighters concentrations at Bombay, Dehli and south of it...a planned retreat? But why? he could easily leave there a blocking force of 300k men and use the 150k he had to spare for other theatres...why lose northern India?! Now my forces can get out of the Multan bottleneck and my tanks can threaten his positions...

Very very strange...

For the rest nothing happened... i have 4 CVs upgrading, while the rest remains online at Ndeni, waiting for their upgrade turn...

We're slowly sending reinforcements to Munda, getting ready for the next operation.

Tomorrow we'll bomb Thousands Ship bay and Nazareb (NG).

Today we plastered Lae again...10 zeros and 3 rexes come out and played...and they all got shot down by 50 P-47s on sweep mission....no losses on my side.

Another Bde is reported to being sent to Lae...reinforcing his positions at Salamua...




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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/7/2011 11:02:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert

He's just getting ready to meet you in the DEI.




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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:02:48 PM   
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Rader is a victim of the yips.  His imagination beat him.

Once a retreat starts in India, it doesn't stop until Calcutta.  Your job is to push and shove and hit as hard as possible. 

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:04:50 PM   
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Rader is a victim of the yips.  His imagination beat him.

Once a retreat starts in India, it doesn't stop until Calcutta.  Your job is to push and shove and hit as hard as possible. 


I'll do my best...i just hope it's not a trap...

I'll keep a decent force at my back in any case...

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:09:58 PM   
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He retreated from Multan before you could cut off the rail and trap his men there. It would be easy to hold his men there with the river as a shield and simply bypass and bomb Multan into nothingness. if you had taken Multan then his men would face the long slow march to a friendly base while you bombed him into rubble with your LBA. Now he is behind more forts and can bomb your units as you march forward again.

When you march on Lahore I would march South of the river and simply cut off Lahore and Amritsar - it may cause another rail retreat to avoid getting cut off.

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:12:52 PM   
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The question in India will how you deal with Lahore.

1) Can you isolate the base as he will get the extra bonus of a light urban hex and may have most of the those troops already prepping for that base while you may have none??

2) Can you take the rest of the bases north of Lahore and start the siege of the base??

3) You cannot by-pass a force of that size, but if you can take some of those northern bases, you can use some of you 2e bombers to hit the base hard. Use control of hexside wisely and limit his ability to get troops out from there if he wishes to stay there.

Good luck and happy hunting

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:16:55 PM   
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He retreated from Multan before you could cut off the rail and trap his men there. It would be easy to hold his men there with the river as a shield and simply bypass and bomb Multan into nothingness. if you had taken Multan then his men would face the long slow march to a friendly base while you bombed him into rubble with your LBA. Now he is behind more forts and can bomb your units as you march forward again.

When you march on Lahore I would march South of the river and simply cut off Lahore and Amritsar - it may cause another rail retreat to avoid getting cut off.

Xargun



Hi xargun!

If that is the case, Rader is mistaken. I could not have trapped him there.
He had the total controll of the skies near Multan cause my nearest airbase (Hyderabad) was 11 hexes away...no LRCAP could protect my troops... secondly the rail-road system and the rivers prevent any easy flanking manouvre...not with tanks at least (without a strong AA cover the tanks will get clobbered by waves of Helens)...he simply had to put a strong army corp 1 hex east of Multan and i would be forced to shock attack crossing the river to cut his way out...and with 450k men at Multan he could have defeated me easily...
If i moved my 2 Army Corps on his flanks he could have easily cut my retreat route by moving his tanks west... remember that i could not divide anymore my army cause this formation (with 2 army corps) has the minimum necessary AA to keep his Helens at 30k feet...

So, in the end...imho Rader has made a mistake here

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:26:05 PM   
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I concur that Rader appears to have decided to abandon India. Like CR says, once you get to the central regions there is no way to defend without getting flanked again and again.

One Devil's Advocate thought though - have you stripped Karachi to move forward? I doubt it at this stage of the game but there's a tiny chance he has some designs on Karachi and a 1/1/44 auto victory.

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/7/2011 11:35:37 PM   
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Keep your recce up over Jodpur, maybe run a Recce Bn a bit up the road.

He might be planning to suck you into Multan & Lahore and cut you off at Hyderabad.  (Just some wild thinking going on)

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/8/2011 12:34:08 AM   
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I have 500 AVs at karachi behind 9 forts...i doubt he can suprise me here. Anyway i'm keeping a fast reserve force at Hyderabad...just in case...900 AV of experienced troops.

Dec 25, 26 1943

Rader swept to oblivion my fighters at Multan. I had 32 Corsairs, 16 Spits and 12 NZ KittiIIIs.... lost 47 of them...luckly only 7 pilots KIA...and among them a NZ ace with 8 kills......we killed 20 enemy fighters...but ratio was too bad...he sent nearly 160 fighters on sweep...georges and Tojos mk.c ...too much

I'm now retiring my fighters back to Karachi...in few days Multan will be a nest of AA with 500 Aviation support...then we'll be ready

He remains at Lahore...well..i'm not going to eat this bait so easily...will move with great care...and we'll see...my recon is checking everything down to Bombay...we'll understand what's is he up to!

In Sopac his BBs (with Yamato that appears!) bombed Munda, sinking an xAKL full of engineers...our PTs didn't move this time...strange... while our 4 old US BBs bombed thousands back again...

Our 4Es plastered Nazareb, while our I and II AUS corps keep on advancing towards his trenches south of Salamua and on the Owen Stanleys...

Base forces and infantry units are moving from Alice Springs to Katherine...soon we'll get back to Darwin...

Heavy recon ordered over Timor and east of it...i'm finding some "soft" spots in his perimeter over there...maybe maybe...

Our raiders today conquered with a fast transport operation Funafuti...on the Elice Islands...want to expand my perimeter north of Suva...

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Morning Air attack on Multan , at 50,9

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 43



Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 6
Kittyhawk III x 4
F4U-1 Corsair x 34


Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 3 destroyed
Kittyhawk III: 3 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Multan , at 50,9

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 42



Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
F4U-1 Corsair x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Ground combat at Funafuti (138,147)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 419 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 8

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Funafuti !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)



Assaulting units:
2nd Marine Raider Bn /4
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Night Naval bombardment of Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

42 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Shell hits 3
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho, Shell hits 2
BB Colorado

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


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Night Naval bombardment of Munda at 111,134 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba, Shell hits 1
DD Aogumo
DD Arikaze
DD Suresushio
DD Sagiri
DD Usugumo
DD Ikazuchi
DD Yugure
DD Suzukaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Fujinami
DD Suzunami
DD Naganami


Allied ground losses:
149 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 33
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 2





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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/8/2011 12:34:40 AM   
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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/8/2011 12:54:44 AM   
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439,820 LYB's in Lahore? Santa Maria! I am pretty sure they are up to no good. Even 100K LYB's in the same place make me nervous.

Do you have nukes yet?

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/8/2011 8:53:33 AM   
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439,820 LYB's in Lahore? Santa Maria! I am pretty sure they are up to no good. Even 100K LYB's in the same place make me nervous.

Do you have nukes yet?


Santa Maria!!! Glad to have you here captain!

Don't have nuke yet unfortuntely...i'd really like to smoke those half million bastards...

However...

Our units are slowly flowing in Multan...it takes forever to move on trails (the Multan road system is really borked).

In NG our two AUS corps bombed his 16th Army between Buna and Salamua...he has 600 AVs there... the 5th division among them...the big unit, despite having left all his heavy equipment at Tulagi, still has 225 AVs...we will try to flank him on the Owen Mountains...trying to use 3 NZ Bdes that are now moving from PM...it will take time, but i think it can be done...

My 120 4Es bombed his 4th Div on the Owen Stanley...achieving nothing....something like 10 squads disabled and nothing more... it will be hard to dislodge them from that mountain!!!

For the sub war we're exchanging blows in CENTPAC... we sunk 4 PBs and 2 Es in the last 3 weeks, losing a sub and getting 3 more damaged...his ASW naval assets are getting better....

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/8/2011 10:23:35 AM   
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why are you sending 500 Aviation support to Multan? - you only need 250 to max out? - or are you keeping some in strat mode for the next base?

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RE: Marry Christmas 1943 - 11/8/2011 1:39:41 PM   
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why are you sending 500 Aviation support to Multan? - you only need 250 to max out? - or are you keeping some in strat mode for the next base?


500 AVs boost the repair rate of the a/c by 50%...i'm planning to move there quite a decent air army to support my future operations in India


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