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ORIGINAL: Mac Linehan

Damien -

Thank You for a quick response. May I trouble you to do a sample "Cargo Efficiency" calculation using the To'su xAKL from your document? I tried using the formula, but am not doing it correctly:

To'su: Speed (8k cruise?) x cargo (170) x endurance (2100) / (divided by) fuel (91) = Cargo efficiency.

It bothers me that I am not grasping what is probably very obvious, I am most grateful for your help.

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/* Other formula's
    				((float)GetShipDailyHexMovement_Mission() * (float)GetShipRange_MissionSpd() * 
        			((float)GetCargoCapacity()+(float)GetLiquidCapacity()))/
        			(float)theFuel;
    				
    				((float)GetShipDailyHexMovement_Mission() * (float)GetShipRange_MissionSpd() * 
    				((float)GetCargoCapacity()+(float)GetLiquidCapacity()))/
    				(float)GetShipFuelPerHex();
    				*/

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ORIGINAL: n01487477



More done on explaining PDU and R&D. (Feel like I might be repeating myself somewhat though)

Enjoy ...

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

AIR PROODUCTION

All this assumes Realistic R&D is OFF and PDU is ON. Also I am using BabesLite mod, not sure if this has different upgrade paths but the principle is the same.

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Thanks for the new document - from this I'm going to have a go at working out how i think things work - apologies if this is so wrong that its effectively irrelevent. If it is anywhere near correct i also apologise for probably stating what should be blindingly obvious :)

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PRODUCTION
Lets take the humble A6M2 Zero - using its ID numbers it seems to upgrade as follows:-

This plane starts in production.

603 ==> 604 ==> 614 ==> 616 ==> 619

The only starting production factory is Maebashi producing 56 a month. I'm assuming that what happens in practice is that:-

* on 44/2 the factory upgrades to the Sen Baku (604)and still produces 56.

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N.B. there doesn't seem to be a R&D factory for the Sen Baku, i assume this doesn't stop the factory from Auto upgrading?

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* then on 44/6 the same factory upgrades to the A6M5b (614) and still produces 56. I assume this this auto upgrade could be earlier or later depending on how R&D goes at the Nagoya R&D factory (which is researching 614)

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* then on 44/10 the same factory upgrades to the A6M5c (616) and still produces 56. Again, the actual date is subject to change depending on how R&D goes.

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If you don't want a factory to auto-upgrade you can set it from 'Upgd' to 'Keep' in the industry/air screen.

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R&D
If we then look at the A6M3 (609) it starts in R&D status in Nagoya with the following upgrade path.

609 ==> 610 ==> 612 ==> 614 ==>616 ==> 619

If i do nothing the R&D factories will always remain R&D factories?

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As mentioned in the Production section above i assume that as soon as a plane has completed R&D that the production factories can either be switched to this model and those due to auto upgrade do so automatically (or do you have to manually change it?)

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How do you know when R&D on a plane has been completed - is there a message in the log? Or is the only way to tell that the R&D factory will be seen to have switched to another model?

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Does Tracker update the 'Available Date' to show an earlier date if you allocate extra R&D to get it researched earlier. As mentioned above i assume the production factories then auto upgrade earlier.

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If i want to change a R&D factory to actually produce a particular plane i can select this in the industry/air screen BUT then it will need to be fully repaired(?).

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As a more general point how much earlier do you get some of your planes based on the strategy you describe in your document? Also, are there problems getting the right engines for these earlier than normal builds?

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Once again many thanks for all your time in producing a very helpful document.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

Thanks for that

Will have a read through and try and update my original note with the corrections and repost.

The biggest thing i didn't pick up on was "You don't need any R&D factories to get a plane - it will arrive on time. R&D factories are useful only to advance a planes scheduled arrival." - so i guess that plane production start times can never be later than shown on tracker and presumably that even if you don't change anything in R&D the existing R&D factories will research the planes a little quicker than the date displayed in tracker.

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

Thanks for that

Will have a read through and try and update my original note with the corrections and repost.

The biggest thing i didn't pick up on was "You don't need any R&D factories to get a plane - it will arrive on time. R&D factories are useful only to advance a planes scheduled arrival." - so i guess that plane production start times can never be later than shown on tracker and presumably that even if you don't change anything in R&D the existing R&D factories will research the planes a little quicker than the date displayed in tracker.

Maybe, but remember that you need 100 points for a month advance. Some of the existing factories are small. A repaired 30(0) will give about 30/mth. So 3+ months for a month advance. This is where multiple 30(0)'s come in... but the trick is having them fuly repaired, as I stated in the R&D section.

Bed time soon.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
Thanks for that

Will have a read through and try and update my original note with the corrections and repost.

The biggest thing i didn't pick up on was "You don't need any R&D factories to get a plane - it will arrive on time. R&D factories are useful only to advance a planes scheduled arrival." - so i guess that plane production start times can never be later than shown on tracker and presumably that even if you don't change anything in R&D the existing R&D factories will research the planes a little quicker than the date displayed in tracker.

Maybe, but remember that you need 100 points for a month advance. Some of the existing factories are small. A repaired 30(0) will give about 30/mth. So 3+ months for a month advance. This is where multiple 30(0)'s come in... but the trick is having them fuly repaired, as I stated in the R&D section.

Bed time soon.

Curious as to why you don't use 34 instead of 30 - wouldn't this ensure one months advance every 3 months, or are there other reasons why size 30 is optimal?

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ORIGINAL: michaelm


In simple terms
(a.1) Daily number of initial devices from factory is as with a/c production [ (active devices + random(30))/30]. If this number is 0, or there are any damaged devices present, then no R&D will result this turn from this factory. [This agrees with the manual ]
(a.2) A factory will then produce a random R&D between 1 and the number of devices from step (a.1) ie 1 device = 1, 2 devices = 1,2, 3 devices =1,2,3, 4 devices = 1,2,3,4 10 devices = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.

The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.

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ORIGINAL: n01487477
No, production starts at any time as long as 1 factory unit is repaired. R&D doesn't start until all are repaired.

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

Not to get to mathematical about it but 30 is optimal. Larger than 30 do not 'usually' give 1 point extra to R&D. The reason is the way the R&D model was set up by GG (and now MichaelM). To get an additional bonus would take a large number of factories to get the additional bonus.

Here's the code part

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ORIGINAL: michaelm


In simple terms
(a.1) Daily number of initial devices from factory is as with a/c production [ (active devices + random(30))/30]. If this number is 0, or there are any damaged devices present, then no R&D will result this turn from this factory. [This agrees with the manual ]
(a.2) A factory will then produce a random R&D between 1 and the number of devices from step (a.1) ie 1 device = 1, 2 devices = 1,2, 3 devices =1,2,3, 4 devices = 1,2,3,4 10 devices = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.

The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.

Clear as mud mate ... take my word for it, 30 is best Anyway - any other q's I'll answer in the morning.

Cheers

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Damian, I finally downloaded the current draft and began reading it. Hokkaido is not connected to Honshu? I've always thought that but lately have heard that it is connected.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

However contray to my previous post doesn't this imply that existing R&D factories that are upgraded would cease to produce ANY R&D points - if so doesn't this conflict with whats shown in the game?

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ORIGINAL: Mac Linehan

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Damian, I finally downloaded the current draft and began reading it. Hokkaido is not connected to Honshu? I've always thought that but lately have heard that it is connected.

Mike -

Although Hakodate (Hokkaido) and Ominato (Honshu) are adjacent, if you activate F6 (map with hexside details), you will note that there is a red impassible hex side between both ports. Thus no auto transfer from Hokkaido to Honshu.

Hope this helps!

Mac

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: n01487477
No, production starts at any time as long as 1 factory unit is repaired. R&D doesn't start until all are repaired.

If you expand an existing R&D factory of say 5(0) by 1 then it changes to 5(1) so i assume that you don't lose the 5 research points and your comment refers to all the R&D factories at the start of the game where most have nothing built, so for example a 0(15) R&D factory would not produce any points at all until it got to 15(0).

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I am still trying to collect my thoughts on the aircraft production process (but not including any guidance on whats actually best to do in the game). This is now taking the form of a "for dummies" type guide where i have blatantly ripped off all the info you are providing and been kind enough to help me with - hope you are OK with this, if not please PM me. You are welcome to include any/all of what i hope to produce if you feel its relevent. Hopefully i'll get something posted here in the next day or so.

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wherever morning is for you - its 1500 hours here in the UK

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

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ORIGINAL: Mac Linehan

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Damian, I finally downloaded the current draft and began reading it. Hokkaido is not connected to Honshu? I've always thought that but lately have heard that it is connected.

Mike -

Although Hakodate (Hokkaido) and Ominato (Honshu) are adjacent, if you activate F6 (map with hexside details), you will note that there is a red impassible hex side between both ports. Thus no auto transfer from Hokkaido to Honshu.

Hope this helps!

Mac

Mac, thanks, but I was confused. When I read Hokkaido, I was thinking the island of Shikoku. I know Hokkaido is not connected to Honshu. Sheesh.

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: n01487477
No, production starts at any time as long as 1 factory unit is repaired. R&D doesn't start until all are repaired.

If you expand an existing R&D factory of say 5(0) by 1 then it changes to 5(1) so i assume that you don't lose the 5 research points and your comment refers to all the R&D factories at the start of the game where most have nothing built, so for example a 0(15) R&D factory would not produce any points at all until it got to 15(0).

OK some mechanics of it all. Each aircraft R&D Points are global, not factory specific.

If that 5(0) factory produced for a month it would prob. accumulate 5 R&D points.
Then if for the next month, you changed it to 5(1)(assuming 1 point isn't repaired in the month), you would gain 0 R&D points but still retain the original 5 R&D points.
Then it repaired 6(0), for the next month you'd get 6 points + the original 5 = 11 points.If you changed the factory to another R&D model, the points are kept but the factory reverts to 0(?)- I'll double check on size % reduction.

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I am still trying to collect my thoughts on the aircraft production process (but not including any guidance on whats actually best to do in the game). This is now taking the form of a "for dummies" type guide where i have blatantly ripped off all the info you are providing and been kind enough to help me with - hope you are OK with this, if not please PM me. You are welcome to include any/all of what i hope to produce if you feel its relevent. Hopefully i'll get something posted here in the next day or so.

Not a problem, all the questions focus the paper into what Q's need answered.
Also, just reading your PM now - might use it as an addendum as you've given permission. Send it back with answers in a while.

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wherever morning is for you - its 1500 hours here in the UK

I was born in the UK, lived most of my life in Oz, now in Sth Korea lecturing and taking it easy

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

A quick question about aircraft production and reinforcements.

I assume that reinforcement air squadrons just appear and don't need production, however you will need some production to replace any losses?

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

OK, so if i look at the D4Y1 Judy the carrier planes come fully loaded but the land based ones only have 2 out of 18,27, or 36 aircraft.

So when they arrive as 'new' reinforcements i need aircraft already built and waiting in the pool so that these new units can take them as reinforcements and fill up to their full strength.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
Therefore the TBO_YTA ia the number needed to make ALL of the due reinforcements up to full strength, and whats called 'Reinforcements' in tracker is just to reinforce exisitng untits to replace combat losses.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
Sorry if i'm a bit slow on the uptake and have missed the obvious - am finding this a very steep learning curve, but feel i am beginning to get my head around things :)

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