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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 5:13:58 PM   
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Really, it was GreyJoys only chance at getting a win. Everywhere else would have been stale mated, even if he went to NoPac and started with Parawhateverjima.

Ballsy move sir, well played.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 5:23:00 PM   
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Ok guys. Orders have been given.
We are moving out everything west of Etorofu, while a HUGE CAP will be granted over Etorofu and Uruppu where my ships are concentrating.
300 between SDBs and TBs will grant that he doesn't try something silly.
When Bihoro will be secured we'll be able to move our ships back in...

I think next turn will be really really bloody

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 5:48:48 PM   
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Full reaction later. Here is my immediate comment:

"My god. It's full of stars..."

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 6:00:15 PM   
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Reading through the last few pages, I just wanted to emphasize something, as I think it clearly shows how well you've learned to read rader:
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, here's the first piece of this story...

[...]

The most obious way was southern DEI…Rader hadn’t fortified yet at that moment(only Timor had a decent garrison) but AFs were built up at maximum everywhere and clearly he was just waiting for me to show some interest in the area before sending in reinforcements…and with all those nice AFs would have been easy for him to overwhelm me in the air whatever i would have brought in.

[...]

…The idea sprung into my mind by the beginning of Nov 1943…"let’s make an enormous feint.!"

Rader is sensitive for what concerns DEI…he has suffered Jzanes’s advance there in his other game and for sure he will be fully prepared to counter that kind of threat….let’s make him believe i’m going there!

[...]

…but the problem was that Rader would have seen that a lot of troops were missing…sooner or later he would have… so I needed to make another feint to make him believe I was going elsewhere.

I ordered to my recon and naval search to stop doing any mission in NOPAC and moved lots of recon planes to NW OZ…also a lot of eng units were moved to build Exmouth, Port Hedland, Broome, Derby etc….from there I started to long range recon Sosarbaja, Makassar, Menado, Kendari, Timor etc etc….and I got Rader’s full attention! He soon started to move lots of reinforcements to this area…LCUs, planes, ships…in 2 months every single base in southern DEI had at least 3 or 4 units…
Then he made his strange move in India by mid Feb 44….and then I was sure he was going to relocate all those forces to DEI-SRA…the more I moved my assets in northern Oz and the more Rader kept on moving his assets to southern DEI…

I think its quite clear, that your feint towards the southern DEI convinced him that you were coming straight for this (apparently) vital position. So he strengthened it with everything he had. This included pulling out of India in order to strengthen that perimeter. This means, he pulled out of the one safe area he had for his HI (now that all the industry in the home islands is suddenly threatened) in order to defend against a threat that was never really there.

This really is an excellent example of reading your opponent and making him dance to your tune.

A huge difference to the start of this game, where you were in pure "crisis-reaction" mode for a long, long time.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 6:47:39 PM   
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Here is my full reaction. A little background to this post. First, as readers of my AAR know, I usually summarize events by theater but for momentous events switch to first person accounts in honor of the fact that I'm playing Cuttlefish. Second, I have often referred to "Cribtop HQ" in my AAR, (a phrase I stole long ago from Cuttles, ironically), and even invented various branches of Cribtop HQ. One such branch is the Fringe Division, which refers to a US television show called "Fringe" that deals with parallel universes (see link below). My first person accounts are usually far more historical in nature. Consider this entry to have tongue firmly planted in cheek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)

Summer 1942.

An undisclosed location in Japan.

Major General Matsuki Arata looked out the window of his office at one of the most unusual vistas in Japan. His eyes saw nothing but a sterile administrative office full of desks occupied by staff officers of the Imperial Japanese Army, with typewriters, logbooks, reports and other typical accoutrements of bureaucracy. What was strange was not the office itself, but rather its purpose. The windowless building buried deep in a mountainside housed the top secret Fringe Division of Cribtop HQ.

The heart of the enterprise was an odd device, rather like a large mirror, that dominated the far wall. Through processes well beyond Matsuki's understanding, which he suspected were made up of equal parts science and mysticism, the device allowed this handpicked group of officers to observe events in parallel universes. While these alternate realities were too numerous to document, a select few held great interest for Imperial Japan's war effort. In these universes, Japan and the West waged conflicts very similar to the current struggle occurring here in what the lab coats referred to as the "Prime Universe." Each week, the Army and Navy traded places observing events elsewhere in the hopes of gaining insights into the probable course of their own war. Much had been learned on occasion, but most of the time this literally unbelievable job was like any other, with slow days playing out more often than events of consequence.

Matsuki was brought out of his reverie by rapid, flustered movement. Every desk was suddenly bereft of occupants as grown men clamored around the screen of the device like schoolchildren jostling for position at recess. Before he could rise to complain of these actions, Matsuki's second in command, Colonel Nakayama Hiroji, burst through the door to his office. "General, please excuse this interruption, but you must come quickly. There has been... An incident. In the universe designated GJvR11009768."

"Colonel Nakayama, I expect you of all people to be able to maintain your composure! There is no doubt that working in the Fringe Division can be odd, even unnerving at times, but that is all the more reason to set a good example for the men," barked Matsuki.

"Sir, please, just follow me. We've never seen anything like this. Also, recall that in this particular universe victory for Japan seemed highly likely. Events here have unfolded as an outlier to the usual course in most realities."

Something in the Colonel's tone caused Matsuki to overlook the total breakdown of decorum. He grudgingly followed his subordinate onto the office floor, mentally rehearsing his reprimand for the entire group.

Then his eyes fixed on the device. Slowly comprehension dawned, and the General's eyes widened as his jaw dropped. This could not be! The implications for defense of the Empire were beyond disturbing.

"May Heaven help us," mumbled Matsuki under his breath. Then, stirred to action, he spoke in a shaky voice. "Colonel Nakayama, you will immediately alert the Prime Minster's Office that he must call an emergency meeting of the Imperial General Headquarters - Government Liaison Conference. You will also contact the Imperial Palace. Inform the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal that the Showa Emperor's presence is requested."

Neither one of these orders, particularly the latter request, was remotely within General Matsuki's authority. Looking at the screen again, he simply didn't care.

< Message edited by Cribtop -- 11/29/2011 6:55:24 PM >


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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 6:55:56 PM   
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 6:56:56 PM   
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Unless the IJN pulls off a major win and isolates GJ position this will soon become a strategic bombing game.Lots of B-29's coming on line soon, (I think it is important that you get the AFHQ's to the big bases and get the squadrons aligned with them), but not an infinite number and the operational losses of these guys is high. You will be countered by THOUSANDS OF FIGHTERS. he doesn't really need them anywhere else anymore so your 4EB's are going to take some heavy losses. The 2EB's will finally become useful in keeping the nearby airbases suppressed. I've had some success with the strategic bombing of Japan but I had a lot of trouble keeping the number of B-29's up. Then again I never had fighter escort until late in the game. This game will end shortly after the B-17G's come on line. Hell, now all his ship lanes will be visible, you subs should be in the right place more and more often. Why invade the DEI when you can just sink his tankers? You could just bomb him into ruin, or if you get bored invade the HI. Unless the IJN can deliver in a big way this is going to be a pretty dull game soon.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 7:08:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Here is my full reaction. A little background to this post. First, as readers of my AAR know, I usually summarize events by theater but for momentous events switch to first person accounts in honor of the fact that I'm playing Cuttlefish. Second, I have often referred to "Cribtop HQ" in my AAR, (a phrase I stole long ago from Cuttles, ironically), and even invented various branches of Cribtop HQ. One such branch is the Fringe Division, which refers to a US television show called "Fringe" that deals with parallel universes (see link below). My first person accounts are usually far more historical in nature. Consider this entry to have tongue firmly planted in cheek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)

Summer 1942.

An undisclosed location in Japan.

Major General Matsuki Arata looked out the window of his office at one of the most unusual vistas in Japan. His eyes saw nothing but a sterile administrative office full of desks occupied by staff officers of the Imperial Japanese Army, with typewriters, logbooks, reports and other typical accoutrements of bureaucracy. What was strange was not the office itself, but rather its purpose. The windowless building buried deep in a mountainside housed the top secret Fringe Division of Cribtop HQ.

The heart of the enterprise was an odd device, rather like a large mirror, that dominated the far wall. Through processes well beyond Matsuki's understanding, which he suspected were made up of equal parts science and mysticism, the device allowed this handpicked group of officers to observe events in parallel universes. While these alternate realities were too numerous to document, a select few held great interest for Imperial Japan's war effort. In these universes, Japan and the West waged conflicts very similar to the current struggle occurring here in what the lab coats referred to as the "Prime Universe." Each week, the Army and Navy traded places observing events elsewhere in the hopes of gaining insights into the probable course of their own war. Much had been learned on occasion, but most of the time this literally unbelievable job was like any other, with slow days playing out more often than events of consequence.

Matsuki was brought out of his reverie by rapid, flustered movement. Every desk was suddenly bereft of occupants as grown men clamored around the screen of the device like schoolchildren jostling for position at recess. Before he could rise to complain of these actions, Matsuki's second in command, Colonel Nakayama Hiroji, burst through the door to his office. "General, please excuse this interruption, but you must come quickly. There has been... An incident. In the universe designated GJvR11009768."

"Colonel Nakayama, I expect you of all people to be able to maintain your composure! There is no doubt that working in the Fringe Division can be odd, even unnerving at times, but that is all the more reason to set a good example for the men," barked Matsuki.

"Sir, please, just follow me. We've never seen anything like this. Also, recall that in this particular universe victory for Japan seemed highly likely. Events here have unfolded as an outlier to the usual course in most realities."

Something in the Colonel's tone caused Matsuki to overlook the total breakdown of decorum. He grudgingly followed his subordinate onto the office floor, mentally rehearsing his reprimand for the entire group.

Then his eyes fixed on the device. Slowly comprehension dawned, and the General's eyes widened as his jaw dropped. This could not be! The implications for defense of the Empire were beyond disturbing.

"May Heaven help us," mumbled Matsuki under his breath. Then, stirred to action, he spoke in a shaky voice. "Colonel Nakayama, you will immediately alert the Prime Minster's Office that he must call an emergency meeting of the Imperial General Headquarters - Government Liaison Conference. You will also contact the Imperial Palace. Inform the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal that the Showa Emperor's presence is requested."

Neither one of these orders, particularly the latter request, was remotely within General Matsuki's authority. Looking at the screen again, he simply didn't care.


....well, i've always like Olivia so if you wanna be my Peter b. i'll be your Olivia D....or Astrid for what it takes...even if i look more like the observer

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 7:14:33 PM   
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GJ, I think I'll pass on being your Peter...

That said, I must again congratulate you. This game will end up being the biggest come from behind victory since the Battle of Yahvin.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 7:22:38 PM   
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quote:

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GJ, I think I'll pass on being your Peter...


I'm not sure GJ will get that double entendre but I sure as heck ain't explainin it.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 7:47:36 PM   
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Probably the worst visual "double entendre" of all time:  Carry Grant and lovely Eva Marie Saint at the close of North by Northwest are obviously about to get intimate in their cozy stateroom on a train.  The camera then cuts away to show the train entering a tunnel....

  

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 8:09:31 PM   
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Probably the worst visual "double entendre" of all time:  Carry Grant and lovely Eva Marie Saint at the close of North by Northwest are obviously about to get intimate in their cozy stateroom on a train.  The camera then cuts away to show the train entering a tunnel....

  


Right up there with the fireworks show of Love American Style ...

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 8:11:08 PM   
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This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.

Too many of you are fretting about kamikazes but i say it is too late. The best tactical use of kamikazes is to help stop the invasion before it happens. Once the invasion has taken place the utility of kamikazes diminishes-since you can't use kamikazes to attack air bases or kill troops. GJ is mindful of protecting his carriers. The loss of 100 ships or more now to kamikazes now will not affect him at all. He will not run out of ships and the damage that he is about to inflict on Japanese industry will more than compensate.

Greyjoy has "surclassed" himself in a way that it will be tough for any of us to top.


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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 8:21:51 PM   
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quote:

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This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.




I am not reading GreyJoy to force the issue at 1-5 .. but like the scene from Conan ..where the bad guy is inticing the virgin to jump into the pit with the snake .. "come .. come my child ..." I think GreyJoy wants the IJ to just try and push him out .. that would delight him greatly ..

What is interesting to me is the decision between using bombers to supress airfields and running those bombers into ships ... I have got to think the former is far more important than the latter .. at least intially ...

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 8:25:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.




I am not reading GreyJoy to force the issue at 1-5 .. but like the scene from Conan ..where the bad guy is inticing the virgin to jump into the pit with the snake .. "come .. come my child ..." I think GreyJoy wants the IJ to just try and push him out .. that would delight him greatly ..

What is interesting to me is the decision between using bombers to supress airfields and running those bombers into ships ... I have got to think the former is far more important than the latter .. at least intially ...


Very good point. Rader has a strong airforce and navy, and I don't know if squandering pilots and air frames in kamikaze attacks at this point will serve his best interest. But he is going to need a good plan fast. I think he should go for Hawaii..

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 8:49:46 PM   
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Very well done GJ, rader will be ****ting his pants at this turn of events.

It also reminds JFBs like myself to make sure this does not happen in my game......

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 8:52:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.

Too many of you are fretting about kamikazes but i say it is too late. The best tactical use of kamikazes is to help stop the invasion before it happens. Once the invasion has taken place the utility of kamikazes diminishes-since you can't use kamikazes to attack air bases or kill troops. GJ is mindful of protecting his carriers. The loss of 100 ships or more now to kamikazes now will not affect him at all. He will not run out of ships and the damage that he is about to inflict on Japanese industry will more than compensate.

Greyjoy has "surclassed" himself in a way that it will be tough for any of us to top.



Agreed. 100%

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 9:53:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop
GJ, I think I'll pass on being your Peter...


I'm not sure GJ will get that double entendre but I sure as heck ain't explainin it.


Think i got it...but i'll keep it for me, myself and my broken heart

...turn should arrive within the next hour....stay tuned

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:14:54 PM   
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To echo Miller, this is a powerful reminder to JFBs everywhere that the Outer Perimeter is just a lot of cut off jungle if you don't secure the Inner Perimeter from a deep thrust. Then again, troops are limited, especially in Scenario 1, and you can't put a division on every rock. Scary stuff.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:17:39 PM   
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PS - I think the first post on page 124 of this AAR officially qualifies as The Shot Heard 'Round the World. Still reeling from it, truth be told. The only bolder move would've been to just drop anchor in Tokyo Bay itself. Of course, the genius is that you found the soft spot. To continue with the Battle of Yahvin analogy:

"Sir, we've analyzed the Rebel attack, and there is a weakness. Should I prepare your shuttle?"

"What?! Evacuate at our moment of triumph? Never!"

BOOM!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:36:04 PM   
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well guys, as u may understand i'm not at easy to be too optimistic. Rader is a smart guy and an experienced jap player. he knows his strenght and my weakness better than me.
However i'd be a liar if i told you that i'm not happy about these first days of Suddenly Hairy. The results went beyond my best expectations...so far we only lost an LST and an AK, both hitting a rock beneath the waves during landings.

However, no matter how this thing will turn out, i have to spend a couple of words for Rader's strategy.

He DID defend his inner perimeter. Since 1942 he reinforced the Mariannas, building ALL of them, and placing several divisions, HQs, Eng and CD guns there.
He DID the same with the Bonins. With Marcus, Wake, PI...

For what concerns the Kuriles he did secure Paramushiro and 3 more bases (Onnekotan etc..)...

I was lucky to find out the only soft spot he had left... don't know if he has to be blame so hard for a couple of island left without a significant infantry garrison...

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:37:14 PM   
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Then again, troops are limited, especially in Scenario 1, and you can't put a division on every rock. Scary stuff.


Very true

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:38:52 PM   
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quote:

It also reminds JFBs like myself to make sure this does not happen in my game......


Yes it does.


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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:39:45 PM   
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Unless the IJN pulls off a major win and isolates GJ position this will soon become a strategic bombing game.Lots of B-29's coming on line soon, (I think it is important that you get the AFHQ's to the big bases and get the squadrons aligned with them), but not an infinite number and the operational losses of these guys is high. You will be countered by THOUSANDS OF FIGHTERS. he doesn't really need them anywhere else anymore so your 4EB's are going to take some heavy losses. The 2EB's will finally become useful in keeping the nearby airbases suppressed. I've had some success with the strategic bombing of Japan but I had a lot of trouble keeping the number of B-29's up. Then again I never had fighter escort until late in the game. This game will end shortly after the B-17G's come on line. Hell, now all his ship lanes will be visible, you subs should be in the right place more and more often. Why invade the DEI when you can just sink his tankers? You could just bomb him into ruin, or if you get bored invade the HI. Unless the IJN can deliver in a big way this is going to be a pretty dull game soon.


Yes, i'll be fighting against Thousands of fighters...and it will be bloody...we all know that. But at least this move will squander Rader's strategic positions in other theatres...and maybe in 1945 we can find a second vector to close the gap and put the Emperor between the hammer and the envil...

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:42:00 PM   
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To echo Miller, this is a powerful reminder to JFBs everywhere that the Outer Perimeter is just a lot of cut off jungle if you don't secure the Inner Perimeter from a deep thrust. Then again, troops are limited, especially in Scenario 1, and you can't put a division on every rock. Scary stuff.


Nimitz and King both planned a deep strike into Formosa ... if they would have had thier way we would have lost a lot less than our foray into PI. Think GreyJoy's forces decending on the Island of Formosa ... and no KB at this point ...

On the other hand Japan had not seized China and India in RF and that is what makes this thrust so powerful .. the IJ can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in a heartbeat ..no matter how much you beat them up before '44 ....

It will be a very interesting next 6 weeks ...


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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:44:59 PM   
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turn arrived...checking now....

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:46:41 PM   
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Yes, i'll be fighting against Thousands of fighters...and it will be bloody...we all know that. But at least this move will squander Rader's strategic positions in other theatres...and maybe in 1945 we can find a second vector to close the gap and put the Emperor between the hammer and the envil...


Just a thought ...Are you both upgraded to 1108r4? If not, a CTD might be in store in the near future See the Tech thread on the Beta releases ..

[1108r4]
Fixed Large number of groups could cause CTD in air attack [MEM]
Fixed Group arriving at a ship still had delay of 1 stopping getting of pilots [MEM]


< Message edited by Crackaces -- 11/29/2011 10:48:01 PM >

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 10:56:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

turn arrived...checking now....


waiting .....

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 11:01:33 PM   
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Very good point. Rader has a strong airforce and navy, and I don't know if squandering pilots and air frames in kamikaze attacks at this point will serve his best interest. But he is going to need a good plan fast. I think he should go for Hawaii..


As someone who has lost a lot more than 100 ships to the AI's kamis I would just point out that the best kamis are multi-engine junk like Idas, Sallys, Peggys, et al. About 10-20% get through a good CAP even with 25-30 EXP pilots, and they do a lot of damage. You don't need to waste modern single-engine frames in the kami role.

I would also mention that the incidence of Japanese ramming attacks on 4Es spikes in operations over the HI, and Oscars and Zeros ram real good.

What is the condition and prognosis for rader's air force after his giving up India? A crucial quesiton. Strat bombing burns through supplies by the millions of points. GJ may have to run past a LOT of kamis before this is over.

< Message edited by Bullwinkle58 -- 11/29/2011 11:05:17 PM >


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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 11/29/2011 11:12:55 PM   
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It also reminds JFBs like myself to make sure this does not happen in my game......


Yes it does.



Ugh! Yep.

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