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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 2:18:48 AM

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You need to look, there are some 1E bombers that will upgrade to Lily for no PPs. They can then be switched to the Sally for no PPs also. It is how there upgrade path is defined in the editor.

Upgrade defined...

Otherwise the PP discussion is interesting with the new beta dynamic.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 3:56:43 AM

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You need to look, there are some 1E bombers that will upgrade to Lily for no PPs. They can then be switched to the Sally for no PPs also. It is how there upgrade path is defined in the editor.

Yep. Damian's post gives details. Still, a number of them do not. And still, there is the fact that I do not have a use for them after March 42 ....

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 4:08:57 AM

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Can I suggest:
No night bombing. (although the latest beta looks a bit better)

Restrict aircraft height for CAP and sweeps.

Cheers

Rob

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Lots to think about IJA 2e bombers. I think I'm going to let the Lily produce (but no increase to the factory) for a bit, probably the rest of the month. That's just to replace some of the 1E bombers in 3 Air Division. My final production will most likely be some Sally-Helen combination. I'm thinking 40-80. I'll ponder it a bit more and look at stats some more.

Anyway, I am pretty sure I'll have my windows issues worked out today. Here's our house rules:

No industry bombing by either side in China. (I'm thinking of possibly increasing HI here.)
Pay PPs for restricted units crossing borders. (This is mainly India-Burma, China-Burma and Manchuoko-China.)
Akyab is considered a part of India.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 4:09:10 AM

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Thanks Paul. I'm looking forward to getting back into AE as well. It's been since January since I played.

Pax, you too?! Seems like all you guys are interested in hauling overland from Singapore to Fusan! What do you think? Is it gamey or not? Convince me to try it!

I don't think it's gamey. Rails and roads are there for a reason. Having said that - I'm not sure an overland route would achieve your desired goals...

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Supplies are stockpiled at bases. Supplies are created via the production system and can also come into the game at bases that are assigned a daily allotment. From there they can be distributed to satellite bases in a variety of ways already described; via air transport, by ships in TFs, submarines with transport Missions, and overland. A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base regardless of the terrain the separates the two hexes (allows
inland sea movement of resources and oil).

The whole push/pull supply process is there to keep bases and troops properly supplied. All bases along your overland route will be supplied. This is no different than the silk route or any other trade route in history. If there is a need to go overland due to enemy forces attacking your shipping then you do it. If it is significantly cheaper and safer to go overland then you do it.

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Bases also can contain stockpiles of supplies, fuel, resources and oil (resources and oil only when production is on). Fuel stockpiles are used to refuel ships, while supply stockpiles are used to maintain aircraft, resupply ground units, and replenish naval ammunition. Each day, supplies from a base�s stockpile are distributed to ground units in the same hex as needed. Supply, fuel, resources, and oil stockpiles will also be moved automatically from bases overland to restock other bases or ground units that are running low on these items if the two bases (or ground unit) are linked by a valid supply path. When these items are automatically moved to another hex, some of the items are expended during the transfer (never more than 20% will be expended).

As I read this though, while your overland supply route from Hong Kong to Shanghai or Fusan might work, it appears that on a long journey you'd see very little at the end of the line... This also makes me wonder if it's better to run oil/fuel directly to some bases in Japan rather then dumping consumables off at bases on the western end of Japan and letting the overland system "move" consumables to where they are needed. Section 9.3.3.3 that starts on page 212 looks to give "free" transfer of oil/Resources/fuel/supplies between adjacent friendly ports (meaning nothing expended/lost during the transfer process).

I think you should try the overland trade route out and we can all learn from your experience...

Seriously - this was a good read for me as it has me rethinking how I want to move my resources and oil... Things that make me go hmmmmm.

TTFN,

Mike

In another thread some time back I discussed this.

I've had a Mark 1 eyeball on over 90% of this route back "in the day" ... yep all the way from Singers to Fusan. Just a few places I haven't actually seen (as in traveled upon). At the time, it was still almost exactly like it was from the war. The map actually has a number of breaks in the RR for game balance (China particularly, separating occupied and unoccupied China), IRL they are and were joined.

Sure, in some places the road is pretty ratty, but a 6 ton truck would make it easy. A few hundred thousand hand carts would have as well. Remember, this is the place that invented the term "brute force". None of the road looks nearly as bad as the Burma Road that the allies had to use.

So, no, I don't think it is gamey. You lose some to waste across some of the hexes, but not nearly as much as you will to subs. And you free up hundreds of ships and save a LOT of fuel. Towards the end of the war, IJ got pretty close in RL, so that vets it even more.

I generally earmark a lot of force to clear China to get this in play once Singers falls. It is far more important to the economy than playing around in the Solomon's or OZ or any of those other sand boxes that the IJ gets caught up in.

DEI + Singers to Fusan line = BIG Bonus for IJ

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 12:17:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cpt Sherwood

You need to look, there are some 1E bombers that will upgrade to Lily for no PPs. They can then be switched to the Sally for no PPs also. It is how there upgrade path is defined in the editor.

That never dawned on me. Guess I should look at the upgrade paths. But, does this apply with PDU on? I'm asking because I have never played AE with PDU on.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 12:22:10 PM

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Still applies I beleive. So if the AG normally upgrades to a 2E, no PP penalty. Otherwise you pay. Only a few do not have the penalty (see Damian's post). Most, particularly in MAN/CHI were 1E for the entire war.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 12:40:53 PM

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Thanks Pax. In Manchuoko, I plan on keeping the air units as 1E. In China, I'll just have to take the 75 PP bite when I can afford it (mid to late 42 most likely).

I think I discovered the problem with my monitor. I don't believe there are drivers for Windows 7. So, it appears I'll be in the market for a new monitor this week. Not sure that's the problem though. Have I said lately that i hate Windows?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 12:49:12 PM

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I think I discovered the problem with my monitor. I don't believe there are drivers for Windows 7. So, it appears I'll be in the market for a new monitor this week. Not sure that's the problem though. Have I said lately that i hate Windows?

Actually in Win 7 you can change the resolution to what you want as long as you don't go beyond the monitors manufacturing specs. As I've downgraded to XP on a mates notebook (my notebook is now only good as a coaster). I can't give you a screen shot

It will be under adaptor - List all modes iirc. You can change it to one of those resolutions; I'll see if I can find a link for you...

Couldn't find a how to: (and this might not work on your rig anyway) - Look into your adaptor and make sure below is not ticked.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 1:47:36 PM

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Thanks Damian. Giving it a shot now.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 2:55:15 PM

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In China, I'll just have to take the 75 PP bite when I can afford it (mid to late 42 most likely).

Same for me. Might even have to roll into '43 for the last couple ... PP's are a real premium until then for me.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 2:57:02 PM

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Have I said lately that i hate Windows?

Billy-ware ... if it wasn't indigenous I'd shoot it.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 4:40:03 PM

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About the Lily and the upgrades. It seems that the extra 15-35 I will build will be indispensable during the first months of the war.

First, some of those units do upgrade for free to the Lily.

Second, it functions MUCH better in ASW than even the Ann, and at longer range. I don't think the 100kg bomb size matters as much as the 4 bombs, and I've already had attack and hit messages several times. I don't think I really will hit any subs at this point in the war with Low Nav skill and ASW skill so low, but those subs won't be hitting my transports that turn either.

Third, against airfields the 4 bombs do very well, and these will only be used in China where they can fly low and hit often. Again the range really changes the game over the 1E, and there are several size 3 fields to move them around between. I move the big base away from Anking immediately and bring it north and somewhere with a bigger field. This many extra Lilys give me a buffer and let the first Sally groups really do the big lifting while these can take on added tasks.

In a week or two or three, depending on the situation at the time, I'll convert this factory to Oscar Ic production. I think my decision depends a lot on how my opponent responds. Currently, the AVG is nowhere to be found. There are few serious threats to my targeted invasions and campaigns, so it makes better sense to have more better bombers quickly than more better fighters. If this changed, I might decide to pull the plug early and get more Oscars quicker. Right now, the Nate is working fine as extra CAP and occasional escort where little resistance is thought to be present.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 5:19:08 PM

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I'll watching to see how they do for you. BANZAI!!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 6:00:14 PM

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So, no, I don't think it is gamey. You lose some to waste across some of the hexes, but not nearly as much as you will to subs. And you free up hundreds of ships and save a LOT of fuel. Towards the end of the war, IJ got pretty close in RL, so that vets it even more.

Not to help you lean one way or another but I do not believe there are any losses to Oil and Resources when moved overland - only Supplies and Fuel suffer this.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 6:02:31 PM

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In a week or two or three, depending on the situation at the time, I'll convert this factory to Oscar Ic production. I think my decision depends a lot on how my opponent responds. Currently, the AVG is nowhere to be found. There are few serious threats to my targeted invasions and campaigns, so it makes better sense to have more better bombers quickly than more better fighters. If this changed, I might decide to pull the plug early and get more Oscars quicker. Right now, the Nate is working fine as extra CAP and occasional escort where little resistance is thought to be present.

In my current PBeM my opponent used the AVG in Burma mostly and after moving a sentai of Zeros there and sweeping them I crushed them down to normal levels of experience. The AVG (in my game) pose no more threat than any other fighter unit. The key is finding them and sweep them until they are full of normal skill level pilots.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 6:07:31 PM

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Thanks Damian. Giving it a shot now.

Hey Mike: Do you mean to tell me that you're 104 posts into this AAR and there's been no shooting yet?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:17:06 PM

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105 and counting! We're still planning!!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:27:57 PM

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Giving it the Full Rimmer Salute, eh, Pax?

Just kidding, this stuff is pure gold.

PS - I hope y'all are Red Dwarf fans or you might think I'm being a bit risqu�.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:54:55 PM

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So, no, I don't think it is gamey. You lose some to waste across some of the hexes, but not nearly as much as you will to subs. And you free up hundreds of ships and save a LOT of fuel. Towards the end of the war, IJ got pretty close in RL, so that vets it even more.

Not to help you lean one way or another but I do not believe there are any losses to Oil and Resources when moved overland - only Supplies and Fuel suffer this.

Xargun

That's the way I understand it, Xargun.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:55:51 PM

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Thanks Damian. Giving it a shot now.

Hey Mike: Do you mean to tell me that you're 104 posts into this AAR and there's been no shooting yet?

Hell, I still can't open AE. Damn windows.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:56:26 PM

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Thanks Damian. Giving it a shot now.

Hey Mike: Do you mean to tell me that you're 104 posts into this AAR and there's been no shooting yet?

Hell, I still can't open AE. Damn windows.

Nope. Its the Apple!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:58:19 PM

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Very funny wise guy!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:58:21 PM

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I suspect the user.

What's the error you're getting Mike?

Oh gah! Have to go make supper. Well, post and I'll catch it later.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:58:52 PM

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I can't argue there either. That's a fact.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2011 11:59:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Thanks Damian. Giving it a shot now.

Hey Mike: Do you mean to tell me that you're 104 posts into this AAR and there's been no shooting yet?

Hell, I still can't open AE. Damn windows.

I feel your pain. Compared to Windows, the Japanese economy is a snap!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/30/2011 12:00:01 AM

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I suspect the user.

What's the error you're getting Mike?

My resolution is greyed out at 800x600. It's using Standard VGA Graphics Adapter. Does that mean anything to you?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/30/2011 12:00:23 AM

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Thanks Damian. Giving it a shot now.

Hey Mike: Do you mean to tell me that you're 104 posts into this AAR and there's been no shooting yet?

Hell, I still can't open AE. Damn windows.

I feel your pain. Compared to Windows, the Japanese economy is a snap!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/30/2011 2:36:20 AM

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I suspect the user.

What's the error you're getting Mike?

My resolution is greyed out at 800x600. It's using Standard VGA Graphics Adapter. Does that mean anything to you?

You need to determine what video card you have, download the drivers under Mac for Win7 (if the internet is still not working) and then come back to windows and install that sucker. ..

Then it should be OK.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/30/2011 3:23:47 AM

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I think I found it. Downloading now. Fingers crossed.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/30/2011 4:37:25 AM

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I suspect the user.

What's the error you're getting Mike?

My resolution is greyed out at 800x600. It's using Standard VGA Graphics Adapter. Does that mean anything to you?

That is very low resolution these days. you need 1024x768 minimum to run AE.

Hopefully you can get the right drivers .... they should install easily and you should see more choices for screen rez ...

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