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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 2:08:49 PM

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I never strat bombed in my whole gaming life, so it will take some attempts before i can master the whole situation.

Respectfully, I believe that you will never master it with the house rule of SB above 20,000 feet. House rules are house rules but this one seems terribly one sided. IRL, The allies achieved quite limited success in the strategic bombing of Japan at high altitudes. When they got low, real low, and switched to night bombing with incendiaries, well, game over. This house rule prevents you from using the Allies single most powerful weapon (yes, including those 2), the firestorm. As this is a house rule, and you are a gentleman, of course it will be observed. However, do any of the other players in the room think that "no strategic bombing below 20,000 feet" is a fair rule to inflict a new allied player?
thanks

I commented in CanoeRebel's thread .. in a way it makes the storyline even better

I sense GreyJoy is just a gentleman that just wanted to play a game, and Rader is that type A ultra-competitive play to win guy .. the kind of person who would play chess with a 5 year old to win ...so he gets GreyJoy to agree to a rule without "informed consent". iI might compare it to my RF role if I told you "you need your heart taken out" .."ok I trust you know what you are doing .." Itis beyond fairness and crossing over into the 'right" category .. thus your comments ..

But JohnDillworth in all your frustration and wanting to see this game played out as it should ... I sense GreyJoy is going to kick Rader's butt using Rader's rules... Strat Bombing borked by a HR and all .. and it is going to be all the more satisfying for all the AFB's....

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 2:44:37 PM

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But JohnDillworth in all your frustration and wanting to see this game played out as it should ... I sense GreyJoy is going to kick Rader's butt using Rader's rules... Strat Bombing borked by a HR and all .. and it is going to be all the more satisfying for all the AFB's....

I expect you are correct. IRL, the Allies were limited to B-29's at extreme range. Hopefully, the shorter range will cut the operational losses and the altitude will cut the op losses caused by AA(damaged aircraft that make it home but are operational wrecks)More importantly, the B-24's, B-25's and assorted British 2&4EB's can now join in the fun. They do not have the high operational rating that the B-29 does and are available in large numbers. The B-25 is not always as useful in WIPAE as in real life but now there numbers will be put to good use.
Note to GJ, you won't have this problem for a bit, and it's a good problem to have. When you have hundreds of B-29's flying missions you will be amazed at how fast they use up supply. You will eventually be flying thousands of sorties each week. Thats a lot of bombs

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 3:09:35 PM

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Keep up the great work GJ!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 3:09:57 PM

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What is really going to be fun for you, when this is over, (and yes, we can begin to at least speak of it ending, though I know there is more fun to be had here), is when you begin a NEW GC.

My feeling, now that you're a master of offensive strategy and tactics, is that you should try out the dark side! Though I can't wait to play Allies one day, you should consider the learning curve you'll have when you also understand the situation of the Japanese side of the game. It really is a different challenge and quite fun to manage the economy as well. And to have to dictate the first 1 to 2 years of the war is difficult and exciting.

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No Obvert, thanks, but i'm far from being a master of anything. I learnt a lot, true, but a single positive operation in the bag doesn't make you a master...maybe a decent player, and that's all for the moment.

On the contraty i'm proud of being the author of the 3rd most viewed AAR in the history of this forum

You should be proud of this AAR. You've given a lot of energy and personality to it, as well as creating an entirely new vocabulary.

My main point was not that you have become a master of the game, but that you've transitioned to a confident and capable player who can assess on both the local tactical and the strategic level, and that this would be tested and developed by taking on a campaign on the Japanese side next time, in 2-5 months or however long it takes to wrap this one up. I've just been amazed at how much more quickly I learn playing IJ as you have to dictate the game in the beginning as well as project those plans into the future. It's a big and worthy challenge, and you seem fond of a challenge!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 3:10:48 PM

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My bet is Rader will continue until he has lost the IJN (or the ability to project meaningful surface or carrier assets into contested waters).

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 3:39:02 PM

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But JohnDillworth in all your frustration and wanting to see this game played out as it should ... I sense GreyJoy is going to kick Rader's butt using Rader's rules... Strat Bombing borked by a HR and all .. and it is going to be all the more satisfying for all the AFB's....

I expect you are correct. IRL, the Allies were limited to B-29's at extreme range. Hopefully, the shorter range will cut the operational losses and the altitude will cut the op losses caused by AA(damaged aircraft that make it home but are operational wrecks)More importantly, the B-24's, B-25's and assorted British 2&4EB's can now join in the fun. They do not have the high operational rating that the B-29 does and are available in large numbers. The B-25 is not always as useful in WIPAE as in real life but now there numbers will be put to good use.
Note to GJ, you won't have this problem for a bit, and it's a good problem to have. When you have hundreds of B-29's flying missions you will be amazed at how fast they use up supply. You will eventually be flying thousands of sorties each week. Thats a lot of bombs

The 20.000 feet rule might limit the effect of strat bombing but it does not make it impossible. It might take a few more weeks to critically damage the main assets of Raeder. But just imagine the power of the 4E and the 2E too. If you put everything together with around 70 B24-J, the 20 or so Navy B-24/B-17), the 10 or so Australian B-24 the 10 or so British B-24, the first 28 or so B-29 which will soon be available. Add the 100 or so 2E of different types (British, US Army, US Navy, Australian ones, New Zeeland ones) you get and you have a serious punching power. This will be more than enough to do a successful strat bombing campaign which even can sustain serious losses. This numbers will be extended with almost a 100 B-29 a little bit later and finally the massive 4E and 2E capacity which you get in mid of 1945.

There are rules which might restrict the strat bombing program but it is still possible, and you do not need to completely destroy the japanese in a few weeks. It is 5/44 and Greyjoy is more than a year ahead of the shedule. And if it takes 6 months to level japan with strategic attacks we have more weeks to enjoy that great AAR.

Something other:
I could even imagine an operation ultra nasty with an invasion of Mandschukuo with allied assets if Hokkaido is secure. Just to stretch the lines of Reader more while he tries to prevent to get under the 8000 AV rule. And if you just kick some units there and get below 8000 AV and activate the Soviets .... holy moly .. who needs to win the war with stratbombing ?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 3:41:07 PM

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Also just a quick reminder (that I'm sure you're aware) but a good bit of the last gen development starts the game in Toyohara. That will be the hardest for him to defend so I"m make flattening it an early priority. It almost certainly won't stop him, but you're taking out final gen aircraft and engine factories in all likelihood (he may have more elsewhere, but I'd be surprised if he'd repurposed the ones at Toyohara).

In regards to CR, without access to Rader's save file I have no idea if he abandoned India too late or too early. With his divisions out of China, I would suspect he could have much more strongly reinforced his northern perimeter while still holding India, but I do remember at the time that people were suggesting Grey start pulling units OUT of India for use elsewhere instead of just threatening Rader at the Multan bottleneck. I thought at the time that Rader might be trying to avoid that situation if he no longer thought Grey would keep all those forces in the convenient stalemate. That said, he probably could have achieved his stalemate with less, though as people have commented they were probably all restricted or permanently restricted units (which incidentally might be part of why they took trails to Burma instead of ships). I'm probably of the perspective that, despite garrisoning a lot of important inner islands, Rader kept too many units at the perimeter in an attempt to prevent Grey from getting a solid foothold as long as possible (to be on better footing than his jzanes game). He had a plan and he executed his offense extremely well, but I think he was being a bit too experimental on defense and is paying the price now for ignoring some fundamentals.

I don't think anyone here is even remotely implying that Rader is a bad player. He's a master of economic production, knows the mechanics well (and so picked favorable home rules), had a bold, broad plan he implemented successfully, and knew the importance of keeping airbases away from the HI (as per his invasion of Russia in the other game and his reasoning behind it). These are all signs of a good player. But being good does not mean being great. He had all the tools to make Grey's success here not achievable, and he failed to use them. And, by committing everything to the extremes of the Empire without, apparently, good ready reserves near the theater or adequate recon to compensate, he couldn't stop a bad situation (the conquest of the western kuriles) into a lethal one (massive beachheads in Hokkaido and elsewhere). From my ill-informed view, this was from a small strain of mental inflexibility in his hammer approach to offense/defense. If he'd transitioned out of the hammer defense earlier, he'd have had more of everything available for the rest of the perimeter (especially interior reserves). This is not the sign of a bad player at all. He knew to win the grinding war he had to delay GJ as long as possible as far away as possible, but it's the little things that separate a good player from a great player. That said, I'm only an ai player, so I don't even claim to be good. But I know enough to know how little I know (and thereby avoid Dunning-Kruger, I hope).

Rader will no doubt learn a lot from this game, as he has been learning from his game with jzanes. He probably has about as much experience with the GC late game in AE as any JFB, since he runs his games to the end. He is definitely a dangerous opponent in many ways, but he's running up against his belief that the game might be unwinnable (due to the allied air power and Russia) and hasn't found his answer yet, despite trying lots of big, splashy strategies to achieve it. But trying to fight the ghosts of previous late games in addition to your current opponent is a tough row to how.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 4:00:37 PM

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Something other:
I could even imagine an operation ultra nasty with an invasion of Mandschukuo with allied assets if Hokkaido is secure just to stretch the lines of Reader more while he tries to prevent to get under the 8000 AV rule. And if you just kick some units there and get below 8000 AV and actiave the Soviets .... holy moly .. who needs to win the war with stratbombing ?

Kick the Japanese out to get under the 8,000 AV? That is nasty! Never considered that you could kill or force his units out! Then again never consider this line of approach. Have to think this is a better plan than invading the HI. Wow

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 4:18:05 PM

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Wow, now that's an idea - especially since he's probably flirting with that limit, having pulled just about everything else out to be everywhere at once on the map.....

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 4:19:39 PM

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Game over with or without the Soviets with the current situation if played correctly from here on out...However, if they do activate, wowzers.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 5:16:50 PM

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Wow, now that's an idea - especially since he's probably flirting with that limit, having pulled just about everything else out to be everywhere at once on the map.....

Time for another JFB Home Rule .. No Allied Attacks in Manchuria!

Wow .. one could ground bomb units to get the area under 8000 AV if it were close ...B-29's at 10K feet taking one unit out at a time ...

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 5:45:40 PM

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Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:02:51 PM

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Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

Its worse then this IMHO..something many JFB's who balk on US bombers in Manchira do not understand or do not want to understand. Uncle Joe is very worried about being seen as an equal in the upcoming conferences balanced with survival. If the IJ threaten survival Uncle Joe is a lot more amiable to US Intervention .. once that was not in question, then the latter became paramount. The need to show the USSR is just as powerful and thus is an equal in negoitations. You highlight this with your post. Now parity in up coming deals to divide the world is paramount. The Russians would come screaming across the border in droves ...

This is still very doable as suggested in this thread by forcing the reduction of forces

Heck, just 100 old Britsh bombers in an open hex in Burma game reduced 2 IJ divisions 50% in a mere 3 weeks in my game -- armored units were the first to be reduced ... I cannot imagine what 300 B-29's would do ...

EDIT: My Russian will not properly display .. so I deleted it ..

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:09:11 PM

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So is it fair to say that GreyJoy has defeated Imperial Japan and saved Eastern Europe and China for democracy? Not bad for a shrubbery with an aversion to razors!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:10:45 PM

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A great idea! But somehow i see it as forcing the game engine into something isn't designed to be.
I don't wanna exploit anything, nor abuse of Rader.
Now for sure the game has taken a bad path for my opponent and, even if my ultimate goal is to crush him and win the match, i wanna keep the game running at somehow "fair" terms.
It's a game after all and both of us are playing to have fun. I have enough good cards to be played that there's no need of looking for a tricky (and possibly "gamey") solution...or however a solution that may make Rader feeling abused.

Unfortunately tonight i'll skip the usual 7:00 P.M. (GMT) turn cause my GF is coming here to seek for peace after a week of no-chatting...

...so there will probably be only one turn tonight...and i cannot tell her that i never thought about her for a whole week because i had to invade Okkaido...she won't understand, you know

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:10:53 PM

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Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

Ring, Ring......
Hello
Franklin?
yes?
This is Joe
Errrrrrrrr, Joe.......Hows the kids?
Franklin, You told me you had no troops for a cross channel invasion in 43. You do that lame-asss Italy thing and now this? Whats up with that?
Well Joe.......we were going to tell you but General GJ.....Well you know how he can be about operational security. Look, how about I make it up to to you? A convoy of tanks? What do you mean out tanks suck? Panthers? Tigers? That big? Are you sure? with an 88mm gun? I had no idea. How about trucks? You like the trucks no?
Hello? Hello?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:14:33 PM

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Yep Rader has fought an excellent campaign. Total command of industry, resources and production. I think he just got caught napping here. (Well, dead drunk in the gutter more than napping ) But we are all capable of this kind of error. He underestimated his opponent. But he is not the only one following this thread who did. Including me. Victory disease.....

I agree.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:36:18 PM

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...you know...i must confess that i really feel satisfied...Even if the game is far from being won i'm proud of my learning curve and, even if pride is a capital sin, i confess i'm proud of what i have achieved so far

You should feel very proud, GJ!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 6:57:37 PM

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GreyJoy,

First, you have pulled off the coup of AE's history to date, a little pride is in order.

Second, your unfailing graciousness to Rader throughout is a sign of character. I think I will nominate you as an honorary Southern Gentleman. That's a big deal around these parts, ask CR.

Third, do read Nemo's Downfall AAR. He was able to use sheer numbers to force several US Divisions to surrender despite the firepower differential. I think the situation here is different and that you've got it sewn up, but a useful read for you nonetheless.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 9:15:11 PM

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GreyJoy,

First, you have pulled off the coup of AE's history to date, a little pride is in order.

Second, your unfailing graciousness to Rader throughout is a sign of character. I think I will nominate you as an honorary Southern Gentleman. That's a big deal around these parts, ask CR.

Third, do read Nemo's Downfall AAR. He was able to use sheer numbers to force several US Divisions to surrender despite the firepower differential. I think the situation here is different and that you've got it sewn up, but a useful read for you nonetheless.

Agree on points 1 & 2. Nemo was not playing Downfall, he was playing Armageddon which is not the same. Still, don't get caught up into Allied "Victory Disease" seems to be a good bit of advice at this point

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 9:43:53 PM

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Superb read and game, Greyjoy

Superb

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 11:00:20 PM

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Ok guys...orders given.

Our CVs will move closer to Toyohama, in order to provide some LRCAP over there.
450 USAAF and USN bombers will hit Toyohama and Onnekotan Jiima, while 3 BBs will hit Keito-Jima
We have finally almost finished the unload process of all our supplies...soon our ships will be ready to move out.
3 more fighter squadrons arrived from Attu.
Our tanks are proceeding their march towards Sasebo, while are still ready to abosrb the sudden deliver of his first air fist...sooner or later it will come. CAP has been optimized, covering every altitude at every base. I have fighters at 100, 1000, 8000, 13k, 16k, 20k, 26k, 31k and 36k.
Night fighters are still too few but i have to live with it...
We are also getting ready to reinforce Okkaido and our invasion force is getting ready for Toyohama...i just need to close those damned eastern islands first so to have not to guard my right flank.
Overall 120k japs are now isolated in eastern Kuriles...if you consider those troops isolated or destroyed in southern solomons i think we have till now eliminated more than 250k jap fighting troops from the overall equation...not bad!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 11:03:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

Its worse then this IMHO..something many JFB's who balk on US bombers in Manchira do not understand or do not want to understand. Uncle Joe is very worried about being seen as an equal in the upcoming conferences balanced with survival. If the IJ threaten survival Uncle Joe is a lot more amiable to US Intervention .. once that was not in question, then the latter became paramount. The need to show the USSR is just as powerful and thus is an equal in negoitations. You highlight this with your post. Now parity in up coming deals to divide the world is paramount. The Russians would come screaming across the border in droves ...

This is still very doable as suggested in this thread by forcing the reduction of forces Heck, just 100 old Britsh bombers in an open hex in Burma game reduced 2 IJ divisions 50% in a mere 3 weeks in my game -- armored units were the first to be reduced ... I cannot imagine what 300 B-29's would do ...

EDIT: My Russian will not properly display .. so I deleted it ..

Fun to try, but why bother? The target is Japanese industry. Why waste B29s bombing infantry when factories are in range? GJ has it right. The first target is the factories that can make modern fighters. Then just start laying waste to whatever pleases him. It might take some time but I can's fathom how this game is not over.

Besides, I suspect Rader can rail units out of China into Manchuko faster than GJ can knock them out.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/1/2011 11:59:10 PM

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April 3, 4 1944

Slow BBs are really a waste of iron. 2 times out of 3 they don't bomb as they are supposed to....

So the BBs didn't do their job, but our bombers are starting to show what they can do....
We plastered a couple of bases in eastern Kuriles and Toyahama...

One of our sub sunk an E Class near Tokyo....

Sub attack near Iwaki at 118,62

Japanese Ships
E No.20, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.22

Allied Ships
SS Flying Fish

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A couple of night air attacks with the moon growing... but that was all by Rader's side for this turn...
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Night Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 6

Allied aircraft
P-70 Havoc x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Vitorlock

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
418th NFS with P-70 Havoc (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead

Some CAP have air radar

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Morning Air attack on Karafuto Mixed Brigade, at 124,46 (Toyohara)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 73
F6F-3 Hellcat x 34
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 44
PV-1 Ventura x 109

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 77th Division, at 124,46 (Toyohara)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 11
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 5
F4U-1A Corsair x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 46
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 11
PV-1 Ventura x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 33
B-25D1 Mitchell x 53
B-25G Mitchell x 51
B-25H Mitchell x 19
B-26 Marauder x 12
B-26B Marauder x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 24
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 103

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mosquito FB.VI x 3
B-25G Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 7
B-26B Marauder x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 34

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 112

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 41
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 175

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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Division, at 124,46 (Toyohara)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10
FM-2 Wildcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F4U-1A Corsair x 35
F6F-3 Hellcat x 81
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 21
SBD-5 Dauntless x 80

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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Afternoon Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Mosquito FB.VI x 3
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-38J Lightning x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 13
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3
FM-1 Wildcat x 7
FM-2 Wildcat x 33
F4U-1A Corsair x 5
F6F-3 Hellcat x 54
TBF-1 Avenger x 99
TBM-1C Avenger x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 32

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Afternoon Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 55 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 17
P-40N26 Warhawk x 10
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10
TBF-1 Avenger x 22
TBM-1C Avenger x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

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April 5, 6 1944

Japan has abbandoned Sapporo and retreated in the wood hex near Hakkodake. Now we are ready to take controll of 90% of Okkaido. This will give us several 9 lvl bases and a good port (Sapporo) in the northern side.

Tomorrow we'll try our first limited strategic offensive. 100 B24Js will attack the Shidens production industries at Sentai (10 hexes from Bihoro). 40 P-47s will sweep and 40 Corsairs will escort. Let's see how we perform.

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On the 8th of April we'll start to load the Amphib TF that will invade Toyohara. Landing time estimated for April 12th 1944.
The invasion force will be composed by the 5th Amphib Corp HQ, the 4th USMC Div, the 33rd Div, 1 Cbt Eng Rgt, 2 Artillery units and a Tank Bn. I think more than enough to overcome a reinforced Jap Bde badly distrupted. Base forces and support units will follow as soon as the base is ours.
The 5th Amphib HQ will then be moved to Okkaido, in order to reinforce the garrisons there

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/2/2011 9:37:24 AM

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Finally this turn, after a leader change, my old BBs managed to bomb Ketoi-Jima. We will keep those island suppressed with bombers and naval bombings untill we're able to invade and so securing our right flank once for good.
The situation in Okkaido looks as good as it could be. CD guns, Engineers and infantry regiments will be placed in every port hex we have conquered, while more 9 lvl AFs will be built.
Okkaido now has 900,000 supplies and more are on their way from Uruppu Jiima.

On the west coast a new Convoys is assembling, bringing more engineers, base forces and some 400,000 supplies.
1 CV, 2 CVLs and 2 CVEs are ready to give a change to 2 of my CVs that still need to take their 10/43 upgrades.
As soon as Toyahama is conquered our CVs will be free to escort back to the west coast a good portion of our transport fleet.

Rader seems more worried about putting his fighters in defence of his HIs rather then committing in some offensive missions against my shippings....

Still no sign of the KB....

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