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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/3/2011 3:35:43 PM   
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Does anyone know any good board wargame that follows the up to two levels down rule?


No Retreat - The Russian Front

But I guess you mean on the tactical/operational level - in which case the following games come to mind :

Decision at Kasserine - one of the first wargames that really felt like you were Rommel - it had combined arms and the only negative point was that in bad lighting the green and blue counter colors tended to look the same.

Dawn's Early Light - Russians vs Nato in the Eisenbach gap.

Of course, but I guess you know this already, the very best game for this is not a boardgame, but Panther Games' Battles from the Bulge

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/3/2011 6:02:19 PM   
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Here in Poland we only monster games with about 150-250 counters per side, which kinda put me off from getting into the hobby.
Which kinda sucks as a game like this:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/66985/polska-1939

Or this:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/29627/grunwald-1410

Or this:
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/93353/borodino-1812

Costs 55PLN (16$), which would be pretty affordable to me. *sigh*

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/3/2011 9:55:20 PM   
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I have a table set up in my-"Man Cave"-all children out of the house-No Cats-baby gate for dog-and now soloing DAK2.



Five 22" x 34" maps takes more than a "man cave." I think you've have to leave the Batmobile outside to play it! (for those not familiar with the game in question, check out the map size of DAK2 compared to another game called "Rommel in the Desert")







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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/3/2011 10:19:51 PM   
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Does anyone know any good board wargame that follows the up to two levels down rule?



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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/3/2011 10:23:26 PM   
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I have a table set up in my-"Man Cave"-all children out of the house-No Cats-baby gate for dog-and now soloing DAK2.



Five 22" x 34" maps takes more than a "man cave." I think you've have to leave the Batmobile outside to play it! (for those not familiar with the game in question, check out the map size of DAK2 compared to another game called "Rommel in the Desert")









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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 12:30:59 AM   
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Does anyone know any good board wargame that follows the up to two levels down rule?


What do you mean by two levels down?

Well we have "Fields of Fire".
Company commander draws Command Points to activate Platoon Commanders, XO, 1st SGT and those support units directly attached to him. Then Platoon Commanders that are activated gets to draw Command Points to command their squads. XO, and 1st SGT to directly command lower units as well. Unactivated commanders will get an intiative draw (with penalty... less points). So lowest level of units cannot act on their own unless commanded by a commander. But there is a general initiative phase which gives you a few Command Points for use on any unit. This simulates the squad SGTs doing what they're trained to do. Actually the squads can even be split into fireteam and assault team.

Game is very good if you can handle confusing rules and lots of book keeping. It is solitaire by the way. Check it out at GMT games.


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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 1:07:52 AM   
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Does anyone know any good board wargame that follows the up to two levels down rule?


What do you mean by two levels down?

Well we have "Fields of Fire".
Company commander draws Command Points to activate Platoon Commanders, XO, 1st SGT and those support units directly attached to him. Then Platoon Commanders that are activated gets to draw Command Points to command their squads. XO, and 1st SGT to directly command lower units as well. Unactivated commanders will get an intiative draw (with penalty... less points). So lowest level of units cannot act on their own unless commanded by a commander. But there is a general initiative phase which gives you a few Command Points for use on any unit. This simulates the squad SGTs doing what they're trained to do. Actually the squads can even be split into fireteam and assault team.

Game is very good if you can handle confusing rules and lots of book keeping. It is solitaire by the way. Check it out at GMT games.




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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 1:25:51 AM   
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Thanks for the info.

Here in Poland we only monster games with about 150-250 counters per side, which kinda put me off from getting into the hobby.
Which kinda sucks as a game like this:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/66985/polska-1939

Or this:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/29627/grunwald-1410

Or this:
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/93353/borodino-1812

Costs 55PLN (16$), which would be pretty affordable to me. *sigh*



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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 1:57:10 AM   
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Does anyone know any good board wargame that follows the up to two levels down rule?


What do you mean by two levels down?

It means that if the basic unit is a platoon, I'm playing a battalion commander, if the basic unit is a company, I'm playing a brigade commander, if the basic unit is a division, I'm playing an army commander, etc.
It keeps the amount of units manageable - usually 10-20 units per side. The board games that are developed in Poland usually are about commanding 3+ levels down.

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Well we have "Fields of Fire".
Company commander draws Command Points to activate Platoon Commanders, XO, 1st SGT and those support units directly attached to him. Then Platoon Commanders that are activated gets to draw Command Points to command their squads. XO, and 1st SGT to directly command lower units as well. Unactivated commanders will get an intiative draw (with penalty... less points). So lowest level of units cannot act on their own unless commanded by a commander. But there is a general initiative phase which gives you a few Command Points for use on any unit. This simulates the squad SGTs doing what they're trained to do. Actually the squads can even be split into fireteam and assault team.

Game is very good if you can handle confusing rules and lots of book keeping. It is solitaire by the way. Check it out at GMT games.

It looks scary.

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 7:22:58 AM   
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It keeps the amount of units manageable - usually 10-20 units per side.


I had to chuckle a bit when I read that you called games with 200 counters or so "monster games" - this title is usually reserved for games with 2000+ counters :)

Anyway, you might want to check out Victory Point Games - they have an entire series of wargames with only a couple dozen counters in total.

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RE: - 10/4/2011 7:59:43 AM   
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RE: RE: - 10/4/2011 8:25:36 AM   
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I like playing Axis and Allies, Risk, World of Warcraft: Board Game, Arkham Horror, etc. Any good strategy game that takes 2-3 hours to play. These games take alot to set up and learn but once you get a group of people who can play, the fun is playing together in the same room and communicating and enjoying the company of others.You just don't get that in a PC game. I love my online PC games so don't get me wrong here, but when our group get's together to play board games, it's much more fulfilling.




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RE: RE: - 10/4/2011 3:57:14 PM   
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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 7:33:17 PM   
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Five 22" x 34" maps takes more than a "man cave." I think you've have to leave the Batmobile outside to play it! (for those not familiar with the game in question, check out the map size of DAK2 compared to another game called "Rommel in the Desert")






I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?


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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 8:17:14 PM   
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It keeps the amount of units manageable - usually 10-20 units per side.


I had to chuckle a bit when I read that you called games with 200 counters or so "monster games" - this title is usually reserved for games with 2000+ counters :)

Well, I was brought up on skirmish games and small scale tactical wargames, where there are 1-20 controllable units on the board - both boardgames (Melee, Death Test, The Creature That Ate Sheboygan, WarpWar, Battlefleet Gothic) and computer games (Laser Squad, X-Com, Wages of War, Close Combat). To me everything bigger is a monster game.

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Anyway, you might want to check out Victory Point Games - they have an entire series of wargames with only a couple dozen counters in total.

Thanks, I'll check them out. Is this kind of games popular in the West?

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 9:13:20 PM   
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Five 22" x 34" maps takes more than a "man cave." I think you've have to leave the Batmobile outside to play it! (for those not familiar with the game in question, check out the map size of DAK2 compared to another game called "Rommel in the Desert")






I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?




You should try, it's an excellent system and DAK, along with Tunisia, gives you relatively few counters.

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/4/2011 10:28:43 PM   
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You should try, it's an excellent system and DAK, along with Tunisia, gives you relatively few counters.



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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/5/2011 8:49:14 AM   
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Anyway, you might want to check out Victory Point Games - they have an entire series of wargames with only a couple dozen counters in total.

Thanks, I'll check them out. Is this kind of games popular in the West?


Well, 2 years ago VPG was just Alan Emrich in his garage, now they're medium-sized and get the best of their games re-published by the big dog on the block (GMT) so I think they're doing more than ok on the sales & popularity front :)

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/5/2011 3:38:37 PM   
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Five 22" x 34" maps takes more than a "man cave." I think you've have to leave the Batmobile outside to play it! (for those not familiar with the game in question, check out the map size of DAK2 compared to another game called "Rommel in the Desert")






I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?




You should try, it's an excellent system and DAK, along with Tunisia, gives you relatively few counters.


There's a nice VASSAL module for DAK2:

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:DAK2

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/5/2011 3:56:45 PM   
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I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?


I sold mine last year for 4 times what I paid for it, several years earlier. Don't break the shrinkwrap unless you are really going to play it!



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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/5/2011 8:04:44 PM   
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I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?


I sold mine last year for 4 times what I paid for it, several years earlier. Don't break the shrinkwrap unless you are really going to play it!



That's the drawback of buying out of print games in shrink ! I want to open it up and check it out but breaking the shrink is really gonna cost me. Ack ! Buy another punched and played copy ? Hrrm...



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RE: Board games v Computer games - 10/5/2011 10:25:15 PM   
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I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?


I sold mine last year for 4 times what I paid for it, several years earlier. Don't break the shrinkwrap unless you are really going to play it!



That's the drawback of buying out of print games in shrink ! I want to open it up and check it out but breaking the shrink is really gonna cost me. Ack ! Buy another punched and played copy ? Hrrm...





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RE: Board games v Computer games - 11/2/2011 12:41:50 AM   
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RE: Board games v Computer games - 12/2/2011 6:05:59 AM   
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I normally play most of mine.....So a lost there.....but you'll still get your money back in most cases.
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I just bought DAK2 in shrink. So cool ! But will I ever play it ?


I sold mine last year for 4 times what I paid for it, several years earlier. Don't break the shrinkwrap unless you are really going to play it!



That's the drawback of buying out of print games in shrink ! I want to open it up and check it out but breaking the shrink is really gonna cost me. Ack ! Buy another punched and played copy ? Hrrm...






Go buy a shrink wrap machine (they aren't that expensive) and rewrap them. I used to buy board games from "Boardroom Games" in Indianapolis, and my friend who owned the place took me to his back room and showed me how he re-shrink wrapped the games that people opened to look at. People always picked up the shrink wrapped boxes over the ones that were open, never realizing that the "mint" copy they were buying was re-wrapped.

Actually, I wonder how many collectors are out there with shrink-wrapped boxes of blank cardboard or paper in them LOL. It could be quite a racket selling the box and keeping the game.

But then, I'll never understand the mentality of buying a game and then never opening it to look at the maps, read the manual, smell the counters To my mind, any game sold used should be opened for inspection before the deal is done. If a game is in perfect condition, unpunched, and complete it is "mint" to me, any requirement for shrink wrap is, quite frankly, stupid since it is so easy to re-wrap something.


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RE: Board games v Computer games - 12/2/2011 4:26:13 PM   
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But then, I'll never understand the mentality of buying a game and then never opening it to look at the maps, read the manual, smell the counters To my mind, any game sold used should be opened for inspection before the deal is done. If a game is in perfect condition, unpunched, and complete it is "mint" to me, any requirement for shrink wrap is, quite frankly, stupid since it is so easy to re-wrap something.


I got in a row with an ebay seller once over this "shrink-wrap" deal. I received the game, opened it up, and discovered that everything inside was some sort of counterfeit, or another. The seller was actually in the counter-making business, BTW. All the charts and other paper goods were done on a copying machine. When I fussed about it, the jerk claimed that he had no way of knowing because it was "new" and he couldn't examine the contents as it was shrink-wrapped. Eventually, I got my money back, but not until I posted a blistering review regarding the purchase. Caveat emptor!

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RE: Board games v Computer games - 12/2/2011 8:14:16 PM   
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But then, I'll never understand the mentality of buying a game and then never opening it to look at the maps, read the manual, smell the counters To my mind, any game sold used should be opened for inspection before the deal is done. If a game is in perfect condition, unpunched, and complete it is "mint" to me, any requirement for shrink wrap is, quite frankly, stupid since it is so easy to re-wrap something.


I got in a row with an ebay seller once over this "shrink-wrap" deal. I received the game, opened it up, and discovered that everything inside was some sort of counterfeit, or another. The seller was actually in the counter-making business, BTW. All the charts and other paper goods were done on a copying machine. When I fussed about it, the jerk claimed that he had no way of knowing because it was "new" and he couldn't examine the contents as it was shrink-wrapped. Eventually, I got my money back, but not until I posted a blistering review regarding the purchase. Caveat emptor!


Also, believe it or not, new shrikwrap isn't like old shrinkwrap. In the old old days, is was more brittle and it becomes a bit hazy over time. New shrikwrap is pliable and completely transparent.

But having said that there isn't much to protect you from fraud, as POE points out it's very much possible to fake it all and hope that nobody breaks the wrap.

It's a funny compulsion of mine, I don't understand it really. I do fully intend to play everything I buy but at the same time I don't want to completely ruin the value of the item. especially the older out of print stuff the that only gets more valuable with time.



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RE: Board games v Computer games - 12/5/2011 5:39:33 PM   
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RE: Board games v Computer games - 12/8/2011 4:36:15 AM   
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World in Flames remains my favorite WWII boardgame by far. Anyone who wishes to graduate from short term gaming should give it a shot. Once you go WiF, you'll never go back!


And, your point is, within the context of the thread topic?


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RE: Board games v Computer games - 12/8/2011 12:38:18 PM   
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Thanks for the info.

Here in Poland we only monster games with about 150-250 counters per side, which kinda put me off from getting into the hobby.
Which kinda sucks as a game like this:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/66985/polska-1939

Or this:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/29627/grunwald-1410

Or this:
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/93353/borodino-1812

Costs 55PLN (16$), which would be pretty affordable to me. *sigh*



I own the first two.....There is no way you could conceivably consider these "monster" games......

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