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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 3:19:37 PM

JohnDillworth

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No never, escort. LRCAP instead. (if you can). My humble opinion.

Perhaps you are correct but I believe escorts are more likely to offer some guaranteed protection. At least a few of them will go in with the bombers. Had he had some escorts a week ago he would have lost some bombers, perhaps many bombers, but not 200 bombers. Escorts don't shoot down a lot of fighters but they definitely prevent a free for all on the bombers. They are disruptive by keeping the interceptors busy. I have no empirical evidence of this, just my experience.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 3:32:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

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ORIGINAL: paullus99

You may be forced to include some fighters on escort, just to be on the safe side, on top of the sweeps. Of course, if those P47s can ever come in before the bombers, you'll have a grand-old time.

No never, escort. LRCAP instead. (if you can). My humble opinion.

Crsutton,

I've done it several times in the first days of the offensive against central Japan cities but i found that LRCAP, in a 2 days turn environement, works defenetly worse than the escort duty, both in terms of victims and in terms of efficiency.
Consider that we're attacking bases from 10 to 13 hexes far away...LRCAP works very bad at those distances....plus the "operational points" of the LRCAP squadrons are spent during the sweep missions and when the bomber mission arrives usually there are so few fighters in the air LRCApping that they really don't pay any role in defending the bombers.
The second day gets even worse with a fatigue accumulated that is close to 50 points....
On the contrary, a solid escort is usually able to keep the bombers safe most of the times...

The first day of offensive against Maebashi (5 weeks ago) i sent 100 P-38s on LRCAP, 200 Corsairs on Escort and 200 P-47s on Sweep.
After two days i had lost 72 P-38s, 15 P-47s and 20 Corsairs....

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 3:41:50 PM

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Now he's starting to produce SAMs....those buggers are fast and well armed and can take off from CVs....i need to concentrate on them ASAP.

However now, with the P-47 production stopping down, my capabilities of attacking japanese industry will surely be slowed down. I'll need to rely on P-38s, British T-bolts (very few) and corsairs....not much really...

The sooner i'll invade Japan, the better.

Think we can be ready to land in Northern Honshu by the end of summer...

He'll probably have more than 10k AVs waiting for me on the beaches...i have more firepower but can 5000 allied AVs dislodge 10000 japanese AVs in an open terrain Hex?....the world wonders...

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 3:46:22 PM

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Good theater.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 3:58:14 PM

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At this point in the war, comparing AV vs AV is not as important as what you bring to the party. You will need lots and lots of armor and you have those huge combat engineer units. I would give up some level of surprise to keep attacking the AFs at the bases you intend to invade to stop fort building.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 4:28:07 PM

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Yes NY59, i'm doing my best to bring every single tank unit i can spare...
My units are well experienced by now and all of them have upgraded to the 1944 TOEs....however landings will be tricky...we'll have to land in front of several GD guns and with the combined fleet ready to storm among my amphib TFs...i'll bring everything i have in terms of surface assets...but still....we know how these things can go wrong...a bad dice and roll and your BBs are sunk by a couple of destroyers and his BBs get a free shot to my 800 landing ships...creepy!!!!

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 4:42:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

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ORIGINAL: paullus99

You may be forced to include some fighters on escort, just to be on the safe side, on top of the sweeps. Of course, if those P47s can ever come in before the bombers, you'll have a grand-old time.

No never, escort. LRCAP instead. (if you can). My humble opinion.

Crsutton,

I've done it several times in the first days of the offensive against central Japan cities but i found that LRCAP, in a 2 days turn environement, works defenetly worse than the escort duty, both in terms of victims and in terms of efficiency.
Consider that we're attacking bases from 10 to 13 hexes far away...LRCAP works very bad at those distances....plus the "operational points" of the LRCAP squadrons are spent during the sweep missions and when the bomber mission arrives usually there are so few fighters in the air LRCApping that they really don't pay any role in defending the bombers.
The second day gets even worse with a fatigue accumulated that is close to 50 points....
On the contrary, a solid escort is usually able to keep the bombers safe most of the times...

The first day of offensive against Maebashi (5 weeks ago) i sent 100 P-38s on LRCAP, 200 Corsairs on Escort and 200 P-47s on Sweep.
After two days i had lost 72 P-38s, 15 P-47s and 20 Corsairs....

Yes, you are right. I completely forgot about the effect of two day turns. Unfortunately for the Allies, they just do not have the air frames to piss away with escort. But they are better lost than a heavy bomber.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 5:32:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Now he's starting to produce SAMs....those buggers are fast and well armed and can take off from CVs....i need to concentrate on them ASAP.

However now, with the P-47 production stopping down, my capabilities of attacking japanese industry will surely be slowed down. I'll need to rely on P-38s, British T-bolts (very few) and corsairs....not much really...

The sooner i'll invade Japan, the better.

Think we can be ready to land in Northern Honshu by the end of summer...

He'll probably have more than 10k AVs waiting for me on the beaches...i have more firepower but can 5000 allied AVs dislodge 10000 japanese AVs in an open terrain Hex?....the world wonders...

If you have all of the correct stuff (leader, prep, moral, zero fatigue yada yada, which I know you will), tanks, and superior equipment, I don't see why not...

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 6:33:33 PM

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Ha! I did it...read all 150 pages. Excellent AAR. I was a player of WITP..and have this edition but havent played because I just dont have a lifestyle that can commit to it.. but I have enjoyed this a lot. I logged in for the first time in years just to tell you that.

Looking forward to the continuing war effort. Very entertaining GJ, all the more so because of your mistakes and your learning curve.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 8:41:44 PM

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Thx Vetamur!

I'm glad you took the time to drop a line. This effort (i mean the AAR) is made for you readers and contributors!

Jun 26, 27 1944

The first seatback during Suddenly Hairy...at Paramushiro, despite the heavy bombings of last weeks and despite the air2ground support provided by not less than 400 bombers, the japanese garrison at Paramushiro held our first attack behind 6 forts...losses are light btw so tomorrow we'll start our attack back again!

Bad weather over japan denied us the taste of our new strategic offensive.
We have 350 4Es based at Sapporo and bound to attack Yokohama tomorrow. 200 P-47s will sweep. 80 Corsairs , 50 P-38s and 50 P-51Bs will escort, while 50 P-38s will LRCAP (i know...i know...but i wanna try it again).
Target: 101 SAM factories and 61 George ones...An important mission if you ask me.

Also we have more news about the KB...

Using the triangolations provided by our subs, our AVP (US CASCO) - that spotted several Graces - and by radio messages we can now locate the KB position, with an approx of 10 hexes of diameter...

Our CVs are close to Christmas Is.... getting closer...undetected... but he knows i've detected him

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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18753 troops, 423 guns, 502 vehicles, Assault Value = 859

Defending force 9437 troops, 67 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 291

Allied adjusted assault: 304

Japanese adjusted defense: 345

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1340 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 65 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
483 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 74 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
13th Canadian Brigade
762nd Tank Battalion
Merrills Marauders Regiment
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
31st Infantry Division
18th Canadian Brigade
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
251st Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
83rd Naval Guard Unit
North China Gsn Brigade
Kitachishima Fortress
5th JNAF AF Unit
13th JNAF AF Unit /1

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 8:48:12 PM

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Using the triangolations provided by our subs, our AVP (US CASCO) - that spotted several Graces - and by radio messages we can now locate the KB position, with an approx of 10 hexes of diameter...

Odd. Darn strange stuff. This isn't even a good place for convoy hunting. He has to figure your transports are taking the northern route. IS he looking up north for you? Doesn't make sense, the SW pacific becomes a backwater each passing day.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 8:51:22 PM

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Ouch, could have made good use of some Combat Engineers to work on those forts at Paramushiro-jima.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 8:53:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Using the triangolations provided by our subs, our AVP (US CASCO) - that spotted several Graces - and by radio messages we can now locate the KB position, with an approx of 10 hexes of diameter...

Odd. Darn strange stuff. This isn't even a good place for convoy hunting. He has to figure your transports are taking the northern route. IS he looking up north for you? Doesn't make sense, the SW pacific becomes a backwater each passing day.

mmm.... The Akagi was just 20 hexes north of there less than 10 days ago...so i think it's possible that the KB is trying to get back to Japanese waters (AKA Marshalls) taking the southern route so avoiding the Hawaii and our line of subs that runs from Wake to Hokkaido....

He's not hunting my northern routes right now...i would now...those waters are well guarded and their approaches are defended by subs and picket TFs

However, keeping my CVs at PH is the right thing to do imho...they can easily close the "way out" if he slips through and goes close to my vital routes...

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 8:55:23 PM

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Ouch, could have made good use of some Combat Engineers to work on those forts at Paramushiro-jima. �

Yes...i hadn't them at hand for this "minor" operation...i'm keeping them prepping for the invasion of Japan....

However i think we'll get rid of those bastards in less than a week...

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 8:58:03 PM

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I'd put a deathstar CV force together and go after his carriers....that is, unless you plan on using them for your invasion of Honshu...

You have modern fighters/bombers/and torp planes, your CVs are all upgraded...

No reason not to at this point, and once you knock out KB, you can do whatever the hell you want in the ocean...

I realize you can still win this war without scratching the pant on his CVs, but that isn't any fun..

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/19/2011 9:38:03 PM

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However, keeping my CVs at PH is the right thing to do imho...they can easily close the "way out" if he slips through and goes close to my vital routes...

Might as well. I was thinking maybe he was going to do a Panama Canal strike, he has done that before, but that would leave him pretty strung out. Sit tight and refit one or 2 CV's at a time. You have enough now I guess. The only thing I can figure is that the KB is not going to be part of the force protecting against an invasion of the HI's. Don't know if that changes anything. I presume that the remaining surface ships and a pantload of kamikaze's will be he backbone of the defense of the HI. IRL, the American's used pickets to radar detect kamikaze swarms. These DD's took a beating but did offer some advanced warning. I say this because I don't think it would be gamey to run some small task forces of fast ships to "draw" the kamikazes away from the main fleets of any invasion force. just my tactical 2 cents

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OP. SUDDENLY HAIRY IS OVER - 12/19/2011 11:52:06 PM

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Jun 29, 30 1944

Ok guys, we conquered Paramushiro with one last push. Now Operation Suddenly Hairy can be declared officially over.
94 days of operation.
17 enemy bases conquered.
nearly 1000 a/c factories destroyed.
...and we are at the very gates of the emperor's palace...

The brave Canadians at paramushiro, despite the yesterday seatback, helped by a huge naval and air effort, managed to get rid of the enemy fortress

The Strat bombing of Yokoama went really good, with less than 30 pilots lost, 25 bombers and very few fighters.
Despite that i'm not happy with the coordination. Again the bombers came in before the sweeps...but the escort was so strong and so experienced that we managed to do well nontheless
77 SAM factories destroyed and 60 Georges.... very good!

SAMs made their first baptisme of fire today...11 of them partecipated in the battles over Yokohama....not really impressed by them but what matters is their ability to be flown by CVs...gotta wipe them out before he can fill several squadrons...

Now 2 days of rest and then we'll attack back again!

Again the KB disappeared....

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Morning Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 245
A6M5c Zero x 25
N1K1-J George x 98
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 35
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 48
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 128
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 151
B-29-1 Superfort x 132
P-38J Lightning x 61
P-51B Mustang x 37
F4U-1 Corsair x 48
F4U-1A Corsair x 27
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

A7M2 Sam factory hits 26
N1K1-J George factory hits 17
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Morning Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 39,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 219
A6M5c Zero x 22
N1K1-J George x 84
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 46
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 121
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 6
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 241

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 13 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 6 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 169
A6M5c Zero x 17
N1K1-J George x 65
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 90
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

N1K1-J George factory hits 2

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Afternoon Air attack on Kitachishima Fortress, at 137,47 (Paramushiro-jima)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Swordfish II x 8
Avenger II x 28
Corsair II x 27
Hellcat I x 14
Seafire IIC x 2
FM-1 Wildcat x 13
FM-2 Wildcat x 92
F4U-1A Corsair x 98
F6F-3 Hellcat x 217
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 24
TBF-1 Avenger x 137
TBM-1C Avenger x 107

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 6 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19745 troops, 424 guns, 523 vehicles, Assault Value = 818

Defending force 7879 troops, 67 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 193

Allied adjusted assault: 413

Japanese adjusted defense: 101

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1550 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 107 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 11 (4 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Assaulting units:
13th Canadian Brigade
762nd Tank Battalion
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
31st Infantry Division
Merrills Marauders Regiment
18th Canadian Brigade
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
251st Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
North China Gsn Brigade
Kitachishima Fortress
83rd Nav Gd /1
5th JNAF AF Unit
13th JNAF AF Unit /1

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Night Naval bombardment of Paramushiro-jima at 137,47

Allied Ships
BB Washington
CA Chicago II
CA Cumberland
CL Houston II
CL Vincennes II

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 31
Port hits 10
Port supply hits 1

BB Washington firing at Paramushiro-jima
CA Chicago II firing at Paramushiro-jima
CA Cumberland firing at Paramushiro-jima
CL Houston II firing at Paramushiro-jima
CL Vincennes II firing at Paramushiro-jima

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Morning Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 41,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 111
A6M5c Zero x 31
A7M2 Sam x 11
N1K1-J George x 61
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 24
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 69
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 4
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 203

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 5 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 94
A6M5c Zero x 21
A7M2 Sam x 7
N1K1-J George x 53
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 17
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 47
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 146
A6M5c Zero x 24
A7M2 Sam x 14
N1K1-J George x 51
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 54
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 124
B-29-1 Superfort x 81
P-38J Lightning x 42
P-51B Mustang x 30
F4U-1 Corsair x 43
F4U-1A Corsair x 32
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 11 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 8 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

A7M2 Sam factory hits 23
N1K1-J George factory hits 8
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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20304 troops, 423 guns, 528 vehicles, Assault Value = 793

Defending force 6358 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 369

Japanese adjusted defense: 29

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Paramushiro-jima !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1456 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 106 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 27 (15 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
762nd Tank Battalion
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
31st Infantry Division
Merrills Marauders Regiment
13th Canadian Brigade
18th Canadian Brigade
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
251st Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
North China Gsn Brigade
5th JNAF AF Unit
83rd Nav Gd /1
Kitachishima Fortress
13th JNAF AF Unit /1

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RE: OP. SUDDENLY HAIRY IS OVER - 12/19/2011 11:52:52 PM

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RE: OP. SUDDENLY HAIRY IS OVER - 12/19/2011 11:53:18 PM

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RE: OP. SUDDENLY HAIRY IS OVER - 12/20/2011 12:09:05 AM

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Escorts seem to have made a big difference. If the co-ordination issue continue perhaps assign all the fighters as escorts? Be interesting to see what happens. Again, looks like the escorts don't get many kills, but they do keep the interceptors occupied. When the bobmbers has minimal interference they certainly do their job. Nice work

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RE: OP. SUDDENLY HAIRY IS OVER - 12/20/2011 12:30:12 AM

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Actually, it looks like a great one-two punch. The bombers come in with reasonable escorts & flame aircraft in the air and factories on the ground, followed by sweeps that torch more fighters in the air. With that kind of exchange, you are creating the kind of downward spiral that will ultimately break the back of the IJAAF.

In a way, you are mirroring 8th AF in Europe, whose activities were instrumental in killing as many German planes in the air as they did by bombing factories on the ground.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 7:38:29 AM

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Yes NY59, i'm doing my best to bring every single tank unit i can spare...
My units are well experienced by now and all of them have upgraded to the 1944 TOEs....however landings will be tricky...we'll have to land in front of several GD guns and with the combined fleet ready to storm among my amphib TFs...i'll bring everything i have in terms of surface assets...but still....we know how these things can go wrong...a bad dice and roll and your BBs are sunk by a couple of destroyers and his BBs get a free shot to my 800 landing ships...creepy!!!!

hi GJ,

'grats on the successful conclusion of Op SH - truly one of the greats! now that the eastern islands are in your hands, you'll not have to worry so much about kami raids shuttling in vs. your back.

now i guess it'll be on to Op 'Very Hairy' - the invasion of NE Honshu.

the key to successful amph-assault against heavily defended bases is including bulk gunfire support ships in the AmphTF. running 2-day turns, you don't have the ability to shuttle in fresh support as the GS support expends its ammo, so you'll need to load up heavy w/ GS for each AmphTF, say 50 GS ships per 50 amph ships. Naval Gunfire Support in your AmphTFs is essential to suppress the CD guns, in order to get your troops ashore.

you also have a wonderful advantage now - you can create dozens of LCT/LCVP in Hokkaido - they're perfect for short-range hops to bring supply to your amph-assault targets. & once you get ashore, they're great for short-range shuttle-missions to bring in add'l LCUs from Hokkaido.

NGS ships include CA, DD, LCI(G) & LSM(R). there's one class of light NGS craft that will only combine w/ a Landing-Craft TF. DEs don't work for NGS, keep them in ASW TFs to guard against mini-subs. when you invade, send 4 or 8 TFs of 1 or 2 empty xAK TFs to points a bit further out from your amph targets, to soak up enemy air strikes. & you've got to have CL/DD & PT TFs covering your stuff, not to mention CVE groups for aircover, & BULK LRCAP over your AmphTFs.

heh, you thought OpSH was complex, now you've got real problems!

best, jM

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 11:11:05 AM

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I think he's calling it operation 'Hairy Majestic'. :D

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 1:23:26 PM

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hi GJ, great AAR! Have spend lots time read the whole AAR.

I jump in just wondering what's the exp status of the Jap fighter pilots. They looks vulnerable.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 1:53:13 PM

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In honor of the successful completion of Suddenly Hairy, the most amazing AE operation I've seen, I want to tell GJ a simple but true story. Given his tastes in certain things, I thought it might just please him in a small way.

Back in my college days at the School of Forest Resources, University of Georgia, I was taking a dendrology class. Dendrology is the study and identification of trees. It was a tough class, especially for a city boy like me. When we started, I didn't know the difference between a dogwood and a sweetgum. I was truly ignorant of these things.

One day, we were given two new species - the red mulberry (Morus rubra) and the white mulberry (Morus alba). It was very difficult to distinguish the two species, as both had similar leaves, bark and overall appearance. The main distinguishing charracteristic is that the leaf of the red mulberry is tomentose while that of the white mulberry is glaucus. That is, the underside of the leaf of the red seems to be covered in small, soft hairs, while that of the white is smooth and shiny.

One of my fellow students - a gentleman from Pelham, Georgia, forever known to us as "Cool Breeze" - came up with a small saying to help us to remember these distinguishing characteristics. He told us: "Hairy red cooter; shaved white pu$$sy."

Perhaps that might give GreyJoy some little pleasure, and inspirations for new operation names.

Congrats, GJ!

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 2:19:29 PM

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Dan-

That just made my entire day worth waking up and coming into work.

Touche.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 3:39:22 PM

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I think GJ should have a contest to name the next operation. Open it up to the floor. My suggestion.

Operation "Bush Whacker....

Now gents (and lady), get your minds out of the gutter. This is what I am referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushwhacker

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 4:34:35 PM

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"Sticky Situation"

That was the code for "let me have the room for the evening" between my roomate and I in college...

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 4:54:57 PM

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Sorry guys...cannot do the turn untill late tonight probably...so we'll have to wait for an update today...

damned job

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/20/2011 5:22:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

I think GJ should have a contest to name the next operation. Open it up to the floor. My suggestion.

Operation "Bush Whacker.... Now gents (and lady), get your minds out of the gutter. This is what I am referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushwhacker

Speaking of the gutter........did you know that a bird in the bush is worth two in the hand.....BUT,.........a hand in the bush is worth two anywhere!

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