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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 12/19/2011 11:21:11 PM   
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My Nates have performs rather poorly today. Over Kota Bahru, 34 of them tangled with 6 Buffalos, for a loss of one each. I should have enough Oscars in the pool to upgrade another Chutai in a week.

Not sure how much difference ... Nates and Oscars have similar performance, just the Nate has REALLY lousy range. The 1c Oscar gets a little heavier MG. Still pretty light weight.

Point being, if the Nates did badly, likely just bad rolls ....

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Adak - 12/19/2011 11:29:41 PM   
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I’ve decided to invade Adak early. I spent quite a bit of time trying to find a small infantry unit that I could use from the SRA. Instead, I decided on the 7 Base Force, a 5 Fleet unit that starts in Ominato. It has infantry to take the place as well as all the supporting stuff that will be needed later. I’ll reinforce it with some NG units later, or maybe a regiment or brigade from Manchuoko if I can spare the PPs (which is doubtful).

I think this is a risky operation, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed.


Always a fan of an early Adak. 7th BF is a real good choice to start. Get some Netties up there ASAP with it, and figure out a Rgmt by Feb. If you can get a Rgmt there, you can hold off about anything the allies can throw at you for '42. And to do so, they have to commit a lot of resources .... things that you can bring the KB to and make them go "boom". If he doesn't come out to play, fine, your back door is closed with a guard dog on patrol.

Then in early '43 the 7th gets some DP guns ... again, keeps this a viable station for a long time .... expensive for him to come after.

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RE: Adak - 12/19/2011 11:32:13 PM   
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Thanks for the info and advice Pax.

I learned something new. You can't put a PB in a replenishment fleet.

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RE: Adak - 12/20/2011 12:14:01 AM   
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Mersing - You can form a few small SC TF and order them to meet your Amphib TF and then "Merge" with it. You might but a few BB/CAs in it to be bomb magnets. They can also be the target of any of the escorts from Force Z that Ted sends into trouble. They can take the punishment better than those transports. Beef up your Amphib!!

Rabaul - Make sure you are moving Patrol planes and/or Ms Nell and Ms Betty over to Truk area to see if you can spot any potential move by the 2 American CVs into this area. He can easily get there before KB

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RE: Adak - 12/20/2011 11:55:53 PM   
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Thanks from a new, aspiring ( more like perspiring with that GC 1st. turn setup) Empire of the Rising Sun player.

Just started a GC PBEM and the time, effort and detail you put into your AAR is sincerely appreciated !

Banzai !

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/21/2011 12:25:02 AM   
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Thanks Rich. I appreciate it.

Just ran the 8 Dec replay. Interesting turn. The LSD sank, which was expected. I'm working the turn and will give the details after I get it back off to Ted.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/21/2011 11:06:02 AM   
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Just a quick note before I head off to work. Having played a whopping 2 turns of the beta, there definitely is a different flavor to the game. Things seem more fragile now, which is as it should be. I haven't played much but the feel is different and, in my opinion, nicer. I like it. I'll write the 8 Dec summary at lunch and post it tonight. There should be a turn waiting for me so I expect to pump out at least a turn a day. Fun stuff. Thanks for reading and participating.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/21/2011 11:20:29 AM   
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I've noticed that there is a lot more FOW concerning damage to ships. My ships that are taking damage are either taking massive damage or no damage. It happened a couple times again last turn but I'll save the details for the discussion to come later.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/22/2011 2:46:21 AM   
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Subs

Well, my intel was already proved to be faulty. Yesterday, I saw the Repulse and PoW showing up as sunk. They had taken 6 and 3 aerial torpedoes respectively. Right off the bat, The PoW was spotted by the I-155, who was headed south to her assigned station. She launched a spread of 6 torpedoes and had the satisfaction of seeing 3 of them hit. Now I’m certain the PoW is gone for good.

Further to the east, the I-124 had dropped a load of mines at Bataan on 7 Dec and then remained there just to see what would flee. She was not to be disappointed. Out came the AS Holland. I-124 successfully put a torpedo into her side. I doubt that she sank, but it’ll definitely slow her down for IJN air or naval power to seek out. Immediately after this successful attack, the I-124 had the satisfaction of seeing the Langley hit one of her newly laid mines and reported seeing her go down.

There was another sub attack but I’ll discuss it below because it needs to be chronological.

Overall, subs are looking pretty good, and 90% of them aren’t at their assigned area yet.

Malaya

I’ll start with the most critical area first. I had 4 amphibious TFs and the CA TF together four hexes away from Mersing with another 3-4 TFs on their way a day or two out. Kaga was about 8 or so hexes to the east. My initial thought was to move the 4 TFs 2 hexes due east and have everyone else congregate there then go in en masse. Then I realized that Ted moved the Aussie Bde out of Mersing. I took a risk and formed an amphib TF with the 4 CAs and several ground units to get a bridgehead. Everyone else will move 2 hexes east to congregate. They will have LRCAP from Kaga’s Zeros (18 planes) and the Yamada daitai (16 Zeros) who replaced Kaga’s Vals. The Yamada det was upgraded to 9 Zeros as well this turn so soon they will be available to fly off of Kaga to boost fighter strength even more.

The RAF came out to play again today, but was much less effective. They ended up spending most of their energy on the CAs. Mogami was hit by a 500 lb bomb which destroyed an AA gun but only caused 5 sys damage. Then, Kumano was hit by 2x 500 lb bombs but they were FOW. No damage at all. Banzai!

Today, Kaga’s and Yamada’s Zeros were tasked with LRCAP over the Amphibs but it didn’t work as planned again as described below.

After the PoW was dispatched, the Brit DD Express found one of the amphib TFs. She took three 5” shells and hit 3 of the escorts and one xAK , primarily with 2 pounders. No major damage there. Two of my xAKs collided causing most of the damage incurred and then that TF bolted, heading several hexes east. Of course, that was the convoy that the Zeros all decided to LRCAP. Later, 3 Hudsons arrived over that convoy and all were shot down. If Ted reviews the combat replay closely, he’ll see that Kaga’s Zeros participated in the battle. Otherwise, he still will not have a clue that Kaga is there.

Immediately after that minor skirmish, the I-156, transiting the area south to its designated patrol zone, came across the Express and put a torpedo into her. If she didn’t go down, she’s in bad shape.

Overall, for the cost of 1 Sally, fighters and flak destroyed an estimated 7 planes, all bombers, and the only damage they caused were the bomb “hits” on the CAs. Ted is pulling out of Kuantan, Alor Star and Mersing, but staying put elsewhere. Pretty odd. There is the possibility that I just don’t see the units moving. Not sure but time will tell.

Also, he pulled his air power out of Alor Star and Kuantan. There are still some Buffalos in Georgetown and a few other airfields out of range of my air power. He’s in a nice position to attack my soon to be bridgehead at Mersing while his airfields are out of range of my air force.

Tomorrow I’m going to see if there is a small infantry unit handy to grab Kuantan. Then I can ship in some air support and get that airfield going with some fighters and 1E bombers. Time for those bombers to get into the war!

An infantry regiment, construction unit and some air support finished landing at the base just east of Victoria Point. They’re headed to Victoria Point to take it. That will be my staging area (as it was last game) for my paradrop on Pt. Blair. I’m staging the Yokosuka 3 SNLF (paratroopers) and transports to Bangkok and will stage the whole lot to Victoria Point once it’s liberated. I’ll go in with the paratroopers and then follow it up with the construction troops and air support. Eventually, I’ll withdraw the paratroopers and replace them with the 91 NG as a garrison. The 22 Air Flotilla HQ, along with most of the 22 Air Flotilla air units, will be stationed there along with some more substantial ground forces and a few AA units.

Burma

The 15 Army forces in French Indo China are moving by rail north.

China

The Hong Kong force has reached Hong Kong and will deliberate assault (DA) next turn.

Elsewhere in that theater, the normal garrison shuffle continues.

Just off the coast of China, the 3 Brit DDs are still causing problems. Two of them, Scout and the damaged Thanet, ran across the 4 Tomozurus. We put a shell into the Scout and sank the Thanet in return for minor damage to the Hatsukari. Ted reinforced the air complement at Hong Kong (I think). 5x Walrus and 3x of the dreaded Vildebeest attacked the Tomozurus and put a 500 lb bomb into the damaged Hatsukari. Her damage is more severe and she has ~40 fires. I’m concerned for her survival. She’s headed to Formosa in an attempt to save her. The only consolation is that one of the Vildebeests was destroyed.

Manchuoko

Air support and engineer forces are moving to Jehol. They will prepare the airfield for 3x Sally and 1x Lily Sentai to be used for operations against Chinese forces within their range. (Ted doesn’t mind me using them for that purpose.) I suspect he’ll try to ambush them, so I’ll need to find a way to escort them. I’ll look at ranges between targets and the Chinese airfields to see if it’s needed.

Philippines

I took Vigen today. I stationed 2x Zero and one IJN Babs chutai there. The main invasion force will begin landing at San Fernando tomorrow. One Zero chutai is providing LRCAP over San Fernando and the other is providing general CAP.

I noticed that the Allied forces in Manila are heading for Clark Field. I guess he’s going to make a stand there.

In the air war, my sweep of Clark Field was opposed by USAAF fighters. For the loss of 1 Zero I shot down a P-26 and 9 P-40Es.

The paradrop at Cabanatuan received some supplies today. Tomorrow, it’s scheduled to get more (hopefully all) of the SNLF and then will receive some air support the day after that so I can station a fighter chutai there. It’s pretty weak with only 17 SNLF squads plus a handful of other squads. My fear is that Ted will send 1 or both of his tank battalions to oust the unit. If I see anything headed that way, I won’t send in the fighters.

I haven’t seen any PT boats or had any Allied bombers rear their ugly heads in this area yet. Hmm…

Mindinao

I changed plans here. I originally had planned for a major invasion of Surigao and a small invasion of Davao. I changed the destination of everyone today to Davao. I know that Boise starts somewhere in the vicinity of Surigao and I haven’t seen any ships move out of that area. I fear that the Boise is hiding out waiting to ambush someone. It’s not worth the risk. Anyway, the force that just landed at Davao will DA it tomorrow.

Borneo

The Miri invasion force is one day out and consists of an infantry battalion and some air support and engineers. I like to take this base early to get started on repairing the oil. That will take a minimum of 5 months. Once it is liberated, I’ll station a chutai of Nates there for support. There is a TF of 50k supply enroute from Japan. That’s the start of a minimum of 150k supply (assuming no additional damage to the facility) needed for repairs.

4 Fleet

KB, the Aobas and the invasion fleet will all arrive at Wake in 3 days. I expect it to be a short battle.

I took Makin and am loading the Tarawa Invasion force. Nothing else to report.

5 Fleet

The Adak invasion force is about a week out. Keeping fingers crossed here.

Japan

Shipping is beginning to arrive at its destination for resource/oil hauling and some of those TFs are beginning to form.

Odds & Ends

I finally took a look at ship production. There are 9 points in the naval pool. The only thing I did was to shut off Shinano. I’ll see how points accumulate over the next 2 turns and then start accelerating some ships. My intent is to accelerate CVs and DDs.

As far as the merchant shipping is concerned, I will do the same thing I did last game. I will not accelerate anything and will accumulate the merchant points for later in the war when they are needed. I will convert all Std-A, B and C to TKs. I still haven’t decided whether or not to convert any of the Std-D, E or F. Not sure if the Std-F can be converted.

Ryujo (30 Zeros & 18 Kates) is NW of the Philippines and headed to Cam Ranh Bay to top off before catching up with Kaga. Hosho (14 Zeros & 6 Kates) and Zuiho (18 Claudes and 12 Kates) are near Okinawa. They will top of at Takao and then catch up with the Kaga and Ryujo. Once they are together, they will have 78 Zeros, 18 Claudes and 84 Kates with Kaga’s 27 Vals on the beach. Once I get an airfield in Malaya, I’ll most likely move the Yamada daitai off Kaga and onto that airfield and move the Vals back onto Kaga. Hopefully by then I’ll have enough Zeros in the pool to upgrade the Zuiho’s air group. I’m forming a replenishment group at Saigon (currently 3x 8k AOs) to keep these guys in fuel.

The Tatsuta and Tenryu are currently with the Wake Invasion TF. After that mission is complete, they will work their way back to Truk and then eventually to the Home Islands where they will be converted to CLAAs and become a part of KB.

I have an AV working its way to Saipan to resize the float planes there. It’ll then head out to Truk to do the same there. Its final mission in this area will be to haul one of the floatplane units at Truk to Wake for additional naval search out there.

The Taiyo is headed to the Pescadores to resize the training Val unit there from 3 to 27 planes. It’ll then move to Shanghai to do the same with the China Fleet TB training unit. It’ll eventually work its way back to Japan and resize any IJN training units that have the ability to transfer from a restricted HQ.


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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/22/2011 10:21:16 AM   
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Further to the east, the I-124 had dropped a load of mines at Bataan on 7 Dec and then remained there just to see what would flee. She was not to be disappointed. Out came the AS Holland. I-124 successfully put a torpedo into her side. I doubt that she sank, but it’ll definitely slow her down for IJN air or naval power to seek out. Immediately after this successful attack, the I-124 had the satisfaction of seeing the Langley hit one of her newly laid mines and reported seeing her go down.


The key to leaving Manila successfully for the Allies is the first TFs formed has to be minesweepers. The AI still moves the lower number TFs first. Afterwards, form TFs with the smaller, slower xAKLs or xAKs so if there are still some mines not swept, they get to be used as one time only minesweepers.

Malaya - You should be able to divide up all your Recon air units and be able to cover just about every base here.

Hong Kong - I usually send another infantry unit from Canton down to HK because if this base is able to withstand the first attacks, you will need the extra combat power.

Yamato only - I halt the building of Mushasi until Yamato is completed. I can use those 233 Naval Points to accelerate some CVs.

Hosho & Zuiho - I would have sent them to the eastern SRA to cover invasions until at least your Air HQs get down there. CA Houston, CL Boise, and some of the British cruisers can cause you trouble if there is no aircraft in the area. I upgrade to the Dutch PBYs on turn one or two and then they can be used in various roles including anti-shipping.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 5:02:18 AM   
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Subs

Once again my subs did stellar work. I formed a line of 4 subs in every third hex east of Hawaii and the I-6 struck paydirt. First she found the CL Helena and put a torpedo into her. The Helena was attempting to head back to the west coast for repairs. Then, in the same TF, she found the Tennessee and put two torps into her putting her down for good. After that, for good measure, the I-6 put two more torpedoes into the Helena putting her down.

But wait, there's more. Ted was attempting to sneak out (I think) some merchant shipping to the west. Not sure why he went that way, but the I-166 spotted and sank two xAKs in two separate attacks. The Ryujo, on her way to join Kaga, put down another one in the same area. Not to be outdone, local Nells sank an xAKL. There still are a couple of ships in the area. It might have been an attempt to divert my air power. Not sure why because the remnants of Force Z have fled.

Still not done. The I-124, still sitting in the Bataan hex, sank the xAP Neptuna trying to sneak out of harbor. The mines she laid have been swept and there are a couple of TFs in the hex, one of APDs so I decided discretion is called for now and the I-124 moved one hex to the west in deep water. Hopefully, she'll get some more shots as ships leave.

Not bad for a day's work.

Malaya

The TF that headed for Mersing made it, but only 6 Zeros were there for cover. I had to split the Zeros between Mersing and the remaining amphibs 4 hexes to the east. There were numerous attacks over Mersing costing one Zero for 25 enemy planes:
11 Buffalo
1 Hudson
3 Blenheim I
2 Blenheim IV
2 Wirraway
6 Vildebeast

Unfortunately, they succeeded in sinking 3 xAKs. I did land and indeed, the Aussie Bde is moving out. I'm attacking tomorrow to hasten their departure. In addition, the rest of the amphibious fleet is moving in to land tomorrow. A few attacks against the amphib fleet were unsuccessful, and Ted lost 6 Buffalos in the process. Usually, once the Allied player loses about 100 Buffalos, the air power in Malaya is finished. He's down ~25. Not bad for 3 days work.

Burma

The 15 Army forces should complete their strat move next turn.

China

Nothing new to report.

Manchuoko

Nothing new to report.

SE Fleet

Kavieng will be invaded tomorrow. Still 3 days before the Gds Bde can be bought out. 144 Regiment is still enroute to Truk.

4 Fleet

Two days until the invasion of Wake. No sign of the Allied carriers.

5 Fleet

Nothing new to report.

Other Stuff

I've accelerated 2 CVs and 5 DDs.

The TB Hatsukari succumbed to her wounds.

I upgraded another Nate chutai with 3 Oscar Ics. I'll push more planes into it as I get them. I was able to fill most of the Nate training units with planes. There seems to be plenty in the pool.

Yesterday, I upgraded a Claude chutai (Yamada det) to Zeros and today I moved them to Kaga. Kaga now has 41 Zeros on board with Ryujo's 30 Zeros a couple of days behind. Ted finally realized that Kaga was down there. He noted that fact in an email but made no comment. I figured I'd get a comment of some type. I'm rather disappointed.

Edit:

I forgot the some things.

Philippines

Zeros sweeping Clark Field shot down 2 P-40Es for no loss. I landed the main invasion force at San Fernando which I will DA tomorrow.

The Rowboat Corps struck for the first time liberating Mauban.

Mindinao

I forgot to attack Davao today so I set the attack for tomorrow. A tank regiment landed, so it'll be that much easier to take.

Hong Kong

I made a DA, got 1:2 odds and reduced the fort level to 2. I lost 659(3) to 474(18) Allied casualties. I'll soften it up a bit more.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 5:51:40 AM   
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Nice job with the subs.

I notice a few of my abbreviations creeping into your AAR. I'm honored!

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 5:55:29 AM   
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Thanks Cribtop. Yeah, your abbreviations are wonderful. And yes, the subs are absolutely amazing so far. I guess that'll settle down when all the scuttling cockroaches find cracks to hide in.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 1:42:29 PM   
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" Malaya

I’ll start with the most critical area first. I had 4 amphibious TFs and the CA TF together four hexes away from Mersing with another 3-4 TFs on their way a day or two out. Kaga was about 8 or so hexes to the east. My initial thought was to move the 4 TFs 2 hexes due east and have everyone else congregate there then go in en masse. Then I realized that Ted moved the Aussie Bde out of Mersing. I took a risk and formed an amphib TF with the 4 CAs and several ground units to get a bridgehead. Everyone else will move 2 hexes east to congregate. They will have LRCAP from Kaga’s Zeros (18 planes) and the Yamada daitai (16 Zeros) who replaced Kaga’s Vals. The Yamada det was upgraded to 9 Zeros as well this turn so soon they will be available to fly off of Kaga to boost fighter strength even more."
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Good Luck on a Gutsy Move Mike, even with Force Z on the bottom he could cause problems with those old cruisers and the DD`s left at Singapore. Be interested to see if the capture of Singapore moves faster if you cut off the rest of the Malaya Army, and with the Kaga down there he will be hard put to evacuate the 2 good Aussie Brigades. May I ask how you got Kaga down there by 9 Dec ? When I split her off from KB as a new TF, she doesn`t get the first day movement bonus ?( playing daBabeslite#26)

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 2:53:41 PM   
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Rich, if you look back a page or two someone suggested (ny59giants I think) how to do it. There's another "*" TF in the hex. Convert it to an escort TF, transfer the Kaga into it and convert it to an Air TF. Voila! It made it all the way to Cam Ranh Bay on 7 Dec.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 4:07:03 PM   
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9 Dec 41

Subs

Once again my subs did stellar work. I formed a line of 4 subs in every third hex east of Hawaii and the I-6 struck paydirt. First she found the CL Helena and put a torpedo into her. The Helena was attempting to head back to the west coast for repairs. Then, in the same TF, she found the Tennessee and put two torps into her putting her down for good. After that, for good measure, the I-6 put two more torpedoes into the Helena putting her down.

But wait, there's more. Ted was attempting to sneak out (I think) some merchant shipping to the west. Not sure why he went that way, but the I-166 spotted and sank two xAKs in two separate attacks. The Ryujo, on her way to join Kaga, put down another one in the same area. Not to be outdone, local Nells sank an xAKL. There still are a couple of ships in the area. It might have been an attempt to divert my air power. Not sure why because the remnants of Force Z have fled.

Still not done. The I-124, still sitting in the Bataan hex, sank the xAP Neptuna trying to sneak out of harbor. The mines she laid have been swept and there are a couple of TFs in the hex, one of APDs so I decided discretion is called for now and the I-124 moved one hex to the west in deep water. Hopefully, she'll get some more shots as ships leave.

Not bad for a day's work.


Nice. The IJN submarine corps are uber-cool up until the Allies 4/42 ASW upgrade and air search umbrella solidifies. Run 'em wild till then, Major!

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/23/2011 4:18:36 PM   
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Yeah, that's the plan CB. Ted admitted that the Helena is a fish condo and that Tennessee is going to follow in the next day or two.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 6:01:28 PM   
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Ok guys, big dilemma. michaelm changed the flag for withdrawals to on. Here's what he said:

"Here is the save with 'withdraw' on. Note that this only basically affects
groups, as ships and LCUs lose their withdraw settings when scenario is
first started if the option is off. Ignore that it was saved with version
r6c."

So, ships and LCUs will not withdraw. Only air units will. What do you guys think. Do I restart or continue? I'm leaning toward restarting but I'm open to your input.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 6:29:28 PM   
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Check with PzB as I believe his game is withdrawals "off." I would assume that with limited production it would be tough for the Allies to fill all the extra air groups and the same would not be true for Japan.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 6:33:12 PM   
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Ok guys, big dilemma. michaelm changed the flag for withdrawals to on. Here's what he said:

"Here is the save with 'withdraw' on. Note that this only basically affects
groups, as ships and LCUs lose their withdraw settings when scenario is
first started if the option is off. Ignore that it was saved with version
r6c."

So, ships and LCUs will not withdraw. Only air units will. What do you guys think. Do I restart or continue? I'm leaning toward restarting but I'm open to your input.


I vote restart, there are a lot of ships that need to withdraw for the Allies.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 6:58:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Ok guys, big dilemma. michaelm changed the flag for withdrawals to on. Here's what he said:

"Here is the save with 'withdraw' on. Note that this only basically affects
groups, as ships and LCUs lose their withdraw settings when scenario is
first started if the option is off. Ignore that it was saved with version
r6c."

So, ships and LCUs will not withdraw. Only air units will. What do you guys think. Do I restart or continue? I'm leaning toward restarting but I'm open to your input.


The LCU's will be tougher but .. you adversary can just agree to park ships at Port Stanley when it is time to withdraw ..

But .. starting over again allows you to fix some other things in your plan

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 8:38:14 PM   
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Ted thinks that if we restart, I won't do Mersing. I'm thinking of hitting Kuantan first, get a nice airbase there and then go for Mersing ~14 Dec. I'd also have Ryujo move to Cam Ranh Bay on 7 Dec to team up with Kaga initially. That would be 30 more Zeros for LRCAP. Gotta look at the loaded TFs and list the units there. Figure out what would go to Kuantan and what would go to Mersing. Decisions, decisions. I'll wait until tonight to make my decision. Keep chiming in guys. I really appreciate your input.

There are other mistakes I made as well. Not enough xAPs to Shanghai to haul the division there. Same problem at Nagasaki. Others too.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 8:59:45 PM   
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I'd restart just so you can pull the gambit again - he won't expect it. Manually keeping track of withdrawn ships would be a pain, IMHO.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 9:49:27 PM   
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You're early enough in the game that a restart is quite plausible, particularly if both of you intended to withdraw ships.  PzB's game is in fact no withdraw for exactly the same reason as you here, but they didn't catch it until Jan or so (later even??).  Way too late to seriously consider a restart.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/24/2011 11:13:06 PM   
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Malaya - go with two regiments of 18th at Kota Bharu (hit the ground units hard on the first two days and very little on the AF to get it in working order) and the third at Kuantan. The Imperial Guards Division can use the rails to get over to Malaya to push down from the north. You get the one regiment from the 30th Division, I think, that can push south until the IG arrives. If you land at Mersing, he will probably try to send troops south to get through to Singapore. Which is a race he cannot win. Keep one or two tank landing in the north so they can get over to Alor Star quickly. If you do it right, you can take Alor Star and have IG get off the trains there.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/25/2011 4:22:09 AM   
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OK Mike, Kaga and Ryujo. You can upgrade the air units at Soc Trang. But, for some reason, probably to do with supply, you can not re-size Ryujo's air units there. If you re-size them on turn one order phase, then sent her to Soc Trang on turn 1 you can have both Kaga and Ryujo there for turn 2. If you put your Amphip TF 5 Hexes to the Southwest, it will be out of Allied Torpedo bomber range plus you can put the A6M2s up as LRCAP to try and dissuade the Level bombers. From that position you can land at Mersing on turn 3. That should be safe and fast enough to cut off his troops from Singapore. On turn 2 you will have to set your CV TF(s) to max speed to get them to move far enough to be in the same hex as the Amphip TF. I would also move the BB TF from Singora to meet with the Amphip TF, you can then make whatever TFs you need on turn 2 and 3.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/25/2011 5:02:38 AM   
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I've not gotten a lot of benefit landing at Kuantan.  The march to Temuloh is pretty long, and then you have to go one more hex to block the 2nd RR line.  The only units I have ever caught are the battered ones from Kota Baru and maybe from Georgetown.  He should be able to get all the others where ever he wants them. 

This further divides your CAP (you have 3 landings now) and you are that much closer to his fighter cover. 

I stated earlier that my success at Mersing has also been quite mixed, BUT the potential gains there are much clearer.

Me? 

Kota Baru - I go there because I need the AF.  It's the most developed in the area, and let's me move Nates in for CAP saving my precious Zeros.
Singora - I go there as it allows me to cut-off the West coast of Malay and the main RR south.

Yep, historical landings.  But I suspect the IJ had a similar analysis.

However, I do like nygiants Mersing touch.  I haven't played that through yet, but I can see how it works.  When I try the Mersing gambit again, I will definitely look at that variant closely.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/25/2011 5:57:58 AM   
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Lots to ponder. I'll read everyone's suggestions and analysis more closely in the morning.

Merry Christmas my friends.

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/25/2011 8:06:24 AM   
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Santa just finished up here at my house. 

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! ... 

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RE: Once More into the Breach - 12/25/2011 6:01:03 PM   
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Hi Mike,
i am have started my 1st PBEM as Japanese and i am learning a lot in this report. keep the good work going!
Karsten

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