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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/6/2012 8:57:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The nearest reliably operating Jap airfield is Koepang.

What say you Admiral Lord Sprior, shall we send some of our up-armoured sorghum harvesters?

It's a long way - and to what end?

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/6/2012 9:48:16 PM

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Slowly and sadly we laid him down,
From the field of his fame fresh and gory;
We carved not a line, and we raised not a stone,
But we left him alone with his glory.

Did they really just leave him there? That is most unpleasant. I had never heard about the battle of Corunna. Do you think JJ is trying to evacuate with their backs agaisnt the sea just like Sir John Moore?

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/6/2012 9:52:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The nearest reliably operating Jap airfield is Koepang.

What say you Admiral Lord Sprior, shall we send some of our up-armoured sorghum harvesters?

It's a long way - and to what end?

Good question.....ummmm.......ermmmm....augment the beseiging force? Provide an emergency retreat route? Take the little dump that is Corunna Downs and fly in supply?

Perhaps the armour could be more favorably employed near Katherine?

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 12:53:34 AM

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Note I believe you'd have more benefit marching them straigth to PH to augment your beseiging forces and complete the capture of PH, Corrunna is worthless until you hold PH. After you've got PH Corunna is a useful northern base that has the potential to be turned into a high level airfield but is immune from naval bombardment.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 2:57:24 AM

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OMG!!!
This is exactly what I do when I lose an AP loaded with troops!
(I get so angry. The water is soothing.)

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 12:12:34 PM

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Did they really just leave him there?

The British armed forces normally bury their dead at or near major battlefields where ever they are, hence the need foe Commonwealth Wargraves Commission. It's only since the current unpleasantness in Afghanistan/Iraq that British war dead have been returned to the UK as a matter of course.

And if you're a Peninsular War fan, which the Cap is obviously not, then here is one of the oldest known British wargraves

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 2:52:52 PM

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Did they really just leave him there?

The British armed forces normally bury their dead at or near major battlefields where ever they are, hence the need foe Commonwealth Wargraves Commission. It's only since the current unpleasantness in Afghanistan/Iraq that British war dead have been returned to the UK as a matter of course.

And if you're a Peninsular War fan, which the Cap is obviously not, then here is one of the oldest known British wargraves

As I visted the graveyards around Flanders chills were sent down my spine as I think of the poem ....

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
John McCrae

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 3:49:32 PM

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And if you're a Peninsular War fan, which the Cap is obviously not....

Well, one time I played England, in an Empire in Arms game. IIRC, France invaded Spain and I didn't have the forces to contest, so I blockaded everything. Is that how it went in Peninsular War(a)?

That is a seriously fun game BTW. As I recall, I sent Wellington to help the Prussians and then the sissy boys made peace with France behind my back.

Then the game broke up.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 5:40:47 PM

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Yes! Yes! YES! YES!!!

Ahhhhhh......no

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 6:11:25 PM

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******************Nov. 14, 1942(c)**************

Oz: Quite an eventful turn. A Royal Navy group (Ceres and 5 DD's) under Somerville made for Exmouth. They were attacked by 3 Jap subs and roughed up or sank one. JJ sent in Matsukaze to kill shipping or bombard at Exmouth. She was met in a night battle under good visibility and was sunk, by a Royal Navy torpedo (those things actually work), with the loss of the entire crew, the captain, two cats, an Akita, 4 goldfish and 20 cases of salted sea urchin roe. Nestor was hit by two rounds. Somerville's group was then joined by two USN CL and 2 DD's coming up from Carnovan. The Allied carriers and Repulse were 40 mi to the SW. Yubari, perhaps already damaged, was hit by a single torp from USS Searaven near PH.

When the sun came up, the first ground, port and airfield attack at PH was intercepted by Zeroes (presumably from the carriers). This chopped up the raid and 3 Bolingbroke were lost. 3 subsequent raids over PH didn't have trouble with the Zeroes and did quite a bit of damage. A late sweep by Beaufighters downed one Zero.

Weather was very bad over the Jap carriers which were posted 120 mi NNE Port Hedland and 8 hexes from Exmouth and 9 hexes from the Allied carriers. They were still spotted and several disjointed raids from Carnovan followed with most of the bombers turning back.

First 3 B-25's went after Zuiho.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 56,125

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
P-38F Lightning x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho

Then 4 B-26 went after the transports:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,127

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 4
P-38G Lightning x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-26 Marauder: 2 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
xAP Teia Maru

Then in the best chance, 4 B-25's snuck in without escorts. They miss but Kaga is smoking pretty good.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 56,125

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 6 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

JJ manages an afternoon raid with Kates armed with bombs and no escorts. They are met by a combined CAP of P-39's, Hurricanes, Kittyhawks and F4F's (from the carriers). It is quite a slaughter but 19 get through. Honolulu and Caldwell are hit by bombs.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Exmouth at 50,129

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 8
B5N2 Kate x 39

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Kittyhawk IA x 18
P-39D Airacobra x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 17 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Caldwell, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Ceres
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Boise

I don't think the transports reached Port Hedland. Exmouth reached level 2 and and Carnovan level 6. This could be interesting. The Jap CV's appear not to have torps, Kaga is smoking, their Zeroes may be fatgiued, probably 2 Daitai of Kates are wrecked psychologically....Exmouth can handle SBD's or TBF's......hmmmm.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 6:29:42 PM

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A numer of options present themselves:

1) Retire the carriers and put 50 SBD's and 50 F4F's at Exmouth (range to PH is 7 hexes)

2) Bring up the TBF's and some P-38's or Beaufighters to Exmouth, but leave the carrier air complenments intact (SBD's, Albacores and F4F's), moving the carriers perhaps 1 hex E of Exmouth (6 hexes from PH). This might result in a huge coordinated raid with the TBF's and P-38's from Exmouth and myabe even the B-25's from Carnovan....well ...we can dream, right.

I believe JJ will know Exmouth went to level 2 but I am not sure about this.

Option 1 much safer. Option 2...more firepower..much greater risk.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 6:32:01 PM

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Quite possibly, JJ will give up the "field". That seems to be be the prudent choice but they are into Port Hedland in a massive way and don't want to lose 3 1/2 good divisions.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 6:41:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

A numer of options present themselves:

1) Retire the carriers and put 50 SBD's and 50 F4F's at Exmouth (range to PH is 7 hexes)

2) Bring up the TBF's and some P-38's or Beaufighters to Exmouth, but leave the carrier air complenments intact (SBD's, Albacores and F4F's), moving the carriers perhaps 1 hex E of Exmouth (6 hexes from PH). This might result in a huge coordinated raid with the TBF's and P-38's from Exmouth and myabe even the B-25's from Carnovan....well ...we can dream, right.

I believe JJ will know Exmouth went to level 2 but I am not sure about this.

Option 1 much safer. Option 2...more firepower..much greater risk.

I recommend using your newfound level 2 base as a "USAAF aircraft carrier" to support local carrier options. Crank up your CAP with available fighters at Exmouth, limiting their range to 1 and keep your carriers at sea within one hex. The CAP spillover effect should mitigate the additional risk from operating in proximity to your opponent's (depleted) carriers.

Of course, you will need an SCTF screen or two for the carriers too. Once it was obvious that you were so limiting your movement, I'd immediately send in a surface force to intercept your carriers.

ETA: I find it interesting that-in November 1942-your opponent is using B5N1s in his carrier groups. He must have experienced significant B5N2 losses to 'reach back' into his armamentarium for these inferior airframes.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 6:42:13 PM

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Quite possibly, JJ will give up the "field". That seems to be be the prudent choice but they are into Port Hedland in a massive way and don't want to lose 3 1/2 good divisions.

Prudence, eh? It'll never fly.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 7:54:03 PM

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Interesting point about the older Kates.

JJ could still get their transports in by moving East, out of potential range of SBD's from Exmouth and either use LRCAP or CAP bleedover to cover the transports going into PH. If we moved 1 hex E of PH to improve carrier strike cohesion and make better use of the Albacores we might find ourselves at the wrong end of a one-sided carrier exchange.

I am leaning toward option 1 and then attacking with the carriers the next day if we get lucky.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/7/2012 9:00:38 PM

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***********Bali Hai Dance Club, Perth, Nov. 14, 1942(c)*********

Man in fine linen slacks: < on the phone> Not going to use it? What do you mean not going to use it? After the money I spent on "Slow Children" signs and the like?.........

Man in fine linen slacks: Yeah, well, Yamashita has first right of refusal. I imagine they are getting a little short on supplies up there. See what we can get from him. <hangs up> Idi, I need a drink!

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/8/2012 1:48:38 AM

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***********Bali Hai Dance Club, Perth, Nov. 14, 1942(c)*********

Hirsute Man: Hey, Milo, you crazy SOB, why did you put in so many "Slow Children" signs on the tollway?

Man in fine linen slacks: Gaddamn Toodyay HOA.

Hirsute Man: Do they have lots of slow children in Toodyay?

Man in fine linen slacks: Buckets full judging by the nimrods in charge.

Hirsute Man: Well, if you ask me this war would be over a whole lot faster if there weren't so many rules.

Man in fine linen slacks: Yossarian, you clever SOB, I believe you are evoking the memory of General Sherman.

Hirsute Man: The tank guy?

Man in fine linen slacks: Holy Mary and the Baby Jesus! Yossarian, did you EVER study in school?

Hirsute Man: "Ever" is an absolute.

Man in fine linen slacks: My question stands, Yossarian.

Hirsute Man: Well, you shouldn't ask questions as absolutes like that. All I need have done is study once to answer "Yes".

Man in fine linen slacks: Well? Did you?

Hirsute Man: I plead the sixth.

Man in fine linen slacks: It's the Fifth, Yossarian, you crazy SOB, the Fifth Ammendment.

Hirsute Man: No, I meant sixth grade. I studied in sixth grade.

Man in fine linen slacks: Hmmm. Sixth grade, eh? (takes a drink) I will thank you to not advocate for an early end to the war. M&M is doing very well. Besides, what are you going to do if the war ends?

Hirsute Man: Go home to Gilroy, I suppose, see my dad.

Man in fine linen slacks: You are DEAD, Yossarian! Don't you remember? He has a leter from Mr. Stimson and a Purple Heart medal. If you show up there you will kill him for sure.

Man in fine linen slacks: Maybe I could break it to him slowly..............

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/8/2012 1:51:45 AM

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/9/2012 3:19:38 PM

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Dang...I can't beleive how active this AAR board is. I watch a couple football games and take my weekly shower and it's page 2 Purgatory.*

********Nov. 15, 1942********

It looks like JJ may have given up bringing more troops ashore at PH. There was a desultory naval bombardment druing the night but no air exchanges. Exmouth now has 25 SBD's, 6 Albacore and 18 Marine F4F's all attached to V Bomber Command which has a CO who eats peanut butter and glass sandwiches. There are also 50 USAAF/RAAF P-39's and two surface groups.

Does anyone know if Albacore can carry torps at 7 hexes?

* Some authors feel that "Purgatory" should not be capitalized unless it is the name of the ski resort in Colorado.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/9/2012 10:20:51 PM

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Dang...I can't beleive how active this AAR board is. I watch a couple football games and take my weekly shower and it's page 2 Purgatory.*

My underestimation of the scope of the game itself derailed any thoughts of an entertaining AAR very shortly into the game. For me it is a "retrospective record" for myself and Terry now. Man I hope hes not reading it as we are playing....The pace we are playing at far exceeds what my expectations were at the beginning. I might, may, if I quit smoking, quit drinking, quit ogling, live long enough to play another. In any case I have had more than a laugh or two in this thread and if you can't stay on page one, SHAME ON YOU!! I count on this when I get home from work after dealing with the handicapped (most people actually fall into this category) all day. Oh yeah, keep your eyes on the Ravens.

Sincerely,
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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/9/2012 10:40:41 PM

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Cap Mandrake & Sprior -- I have a question . what is happening on the other fronts? Burma? China? Gilberts?

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 4:11:22 AM

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Whine, whine whine. Hours of free entertainment and they want more! I'm thinking about putting in for a transfer to another herd.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 4:58:18 AM

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Whine, whine whine. Hours of free entertainment and they want more! I'm thinking about putting in for a transfer to another herd.

By ra way, what IS going on in China. I can't remember the names of the cities. Are we going to kick LYB arses with the Liberators? How is the Szechwan Beef Shock Army doing these days?

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 5:03:55 AM

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As for the Gilberts, I did get a Christmas card from them. Michael got the new promotion but it seems they have to move to some backwater town in New Mexico of all places.

Melissa writes he is positively "glowing" with excitement but the poor Golden Retriever lost all his hair. Evidenty the stress of the move was hard on him.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 6:23:21 AM

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Speaking of dogs (you knew I would grab that segue didn't you?), remember that accidentally over-sized picture I once posted that included a caption about the house with the wolf-dogs? One of them decided to off two of the owners cats. There is an electric fence around that yard for a reason. So she got rid of him. Found him a good home with a really nice guy who is semi-homeless. I haven't figured out that part yet - does it mean she found him a semi-good home?

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 7:15:30 AM

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Does anyone know if Albacore can carry torps at 7 hexes?

Yes, easily.

In fact it should be able to carry an underslung torpedo at extended range of 20 hexes (its historical maximum combat range was 820 nautical miles, it was designed to be a combination torpedo bomber/dive bomber/reconnaissance aircraft, it was in fact fully stressed to dive at 400km/h with four 500lb under-wing bombs).

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 2:43:42 PM

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Does anyone know if Albacore can carry torps at 7 hexes?

Yes, easily.

In fact it should be able to carry an underslung torpedo at extended range of 20 hexes (its historical maximum combat range was 820 nautical miles, it was designed to be a combination torpedo bomber/dive bomber/reconnaissance aircraft, it was in fact fully stressed to dive at 400km/h with four 500lb under-wing bombs).

Ah, splendid! Is that aerodynamic rating with or without the wings? When do we get the Albacore II with RATO pods and laser designators?

You know, it occurs to me that Admiral Lord Sprior and I have never really properly thanked the community for their sage advice and unwavering confidence in our plans. Lets leave it that way.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 2:48:18 PM

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......One of them decided to off two of the owners cats. There is an electric fence around that yard for a reason.

Canis lupus eatus

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So she got rid of him. Found him a good home with a really nice guy who is semi-homeless. I haven't figured out that part yet - does it mean she found him a semi-good home?

Not sure but I once saw a sign that read "Help Wanted/ Part Time Female". I think they may be related somehow.

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 2:48:22 PM

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Ah, splendid! Is that aerodynamic rating with or without the wings? When do we get the Albacore II with RATO pods and laser designators?

You know, it occurs to me that Admiral Lord Sprior and I have never really properly thanked the community for their sage advice and unwavering confidence in our plans. Lets leave it that way.

On the contrary - I believe you've thanked every single person who offered sage advice and unwavering confidence.

All 0 of us. ;-)

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RE: Before teleprompters - 1/10/2012 2:56:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Ah, splendid! Is that aerodynamic rating with or without the wings? When do we get the Albacore II with RATO pods and laser designators?

You know, it occurs to me that Admiral Lord Sprior and I have never really properly thanked the community for their sage advice and unwavering confidence in our plans. Lets leave it that way.

On the contrary - I believe you've thanked every single person who offered sage advice and unwavering confidence.

All 0 of us. ;-)

Thank you sir. Now, if I get hit by an asteroid on the way to work I can great St Peter with all accounts in good order....oh wait...<goes to check JPL site for any near Earth asterodis>

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