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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 6:00:38 PM   
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Why are the flappers in main induction outlets fitted with dogs







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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 6:00:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is quite an interesting link, by ra way. I am surprised anyone survived in those things. WWII subs I mean, not 1920's flappers.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 6:07:14 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 6:10:44 PM   
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I did wonder.


Right...so what IS the answer?

Why are the flappers in main induction outlets fitted with dogs? I'm guessing it has something to do with not sinking.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 6:17:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if you were submarine qulaified like myelf you'd know that the inuction inlet is the big pipe that air is sucked in through when the donks are running. You'd really want them dogged shut when the boat is diving...

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 6:20:11 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 7:04:38 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 7:55:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		********In the air over Port Hedland, Nov. 16, 1942(c)*********

Santa Maria! Where are all these freaking Tojos coming from?



Morning Air attack on Port Hedland , at 57,129

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 62



Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 2
P-38F Lightning x 4
P-38G Lightning x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed



CAP engaged:
253 Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
Tainan Ku S-1/A with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
Tainan Ku S-1/B with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
204 Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 13 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 10 scrambling)
17 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and
30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 13 on standby, 8 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and
30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
Unyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead


Please don't tell me the Tojo is carrier capable? How in the Hell did they get that many planes in teh air over PH when 9/10 recon shows 99% airfield destruction? They can't be LRCAP as they are scrambling, right?


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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:00:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some Marine F4F's from Exmouth are in the wrong place. Doh! I skipped the airfield attacks today to go after the port facilities. D'oh! At least it was quite a good port raid. Good luck unloading anything except by amphibious TF.

Morning Air attack on Port Hedland , at 57,129

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 60



Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 18
LB-30 Liberator x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed



Port hits 13



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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:04:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		JJ puts up a bunch of Zeroes in the air over Broome too. They deflect a B-17 raid.

Morning Air attack on Broome , at 62,127

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11



Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 8


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:06:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		B-24's go after the ground troops at PH and lose at least one bomber to the CAP, but do shoot down two planes and do quite a bit of damage.

Morning Air attack on 77th Infantry Regiment, at 57,129 (Port Hedland)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 56



Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 20


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
178 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:09:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		A total of 22 more P-38 sorties (without bombers) destroy 4 more Tojo/Zeroes to the loss of one plane.

They also threw some Nells at our boys on the ground to little effect.


Thank God the medium bombers at Meekathara stayed home, they would have been slaughtered.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:14:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I deduce from this we are really hurting their ground readiness at PH and they want the air attacks to stop.


I propose we decline to oblige. Weather permitting, we can go after PH airfield tomorrow with the heavies only and fighter sweeps. Amazing how far off the recon assessment is on enemy airfield damage with expereinced recon P-38 pilots overhead.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:16:11 PM   
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Well if you were submarine qulaified like myelf you'd know that the inuction inlet is the big pipe that air is sucked in through when the donks are running. You'd really want them dogged shut when the boat is diving...


Yeah, like I said, to keep from sinking. Did they tell you when you were submarine "qulaifed" where the damn LYB merchies and tankers are?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:18:02 PM   
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I deduce from this we are really hurting their ground readiness at PH and they want the air attacks to stop.


I propose we decline to oblige. Weather permitting, we can go after PH airfield tomorrow with the heavies only and fighter sweeps. Amazing how far off the recon assessment is on enemy airfield damage with expereinced recon P-38 pilots overhead.


Let's go after Broome instead, I'd bet yankee dollars that's where they're based.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:18:44 PM   
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Did they tell you when you were submarine "qulaifed


Getting your dolphins doesn't mean you can spell or type.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:20:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meanwhile, while collecting sea cucmber migration data South of Fukue-jima, SS Haddo has a bad scare when she is attacked by 12 kt PB's despite her SPCA and Univ. of Calif. flags clearly displayed.

ASW attack near Fukue-jima at 97,59

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 20
SC Ch 19
xAK Shinetsu Maru
xAK Kanzaki Maru
xAK Naniwa Maru
xAK Africa Maru
xAK Tacoma Maru
xAKL Matsutan Maru
xAKL Momoyama Maru
xAKL Kasui Maru
xAKL Kashi Maru
PB Bisaku Maru
PB Urashio Maru
PB Higashiyama Maru
PB Awa Maru

Allied Ships
SS Haddo

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:24:18 PM   
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I deduce from this we are really hurting their ground readiness at PH and they want the air attacks to stop.


I propose we decline to oblige. Weather permitting, we can go after PH airfield tomorrow with the heavies only and fighter sweeps. Amazing how far off the recon assessment is on enemy airfield damage with expereinced recon P-38 pilots overhead.


Let's go after Broome instead, I'd bet yankee dollars that's where they're based.


Yes, it seems more likely they could get that many planes in the air from a field in better shape, but would they be scrambling like that on the combat report? How could they possibly get to PH in time?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:27:38 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:31:33 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:38:40 PM   
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Meanwhile, while collecting sea cucmber migration data South of Fukue-jima, SS Haddo has a bad scare when she is attacked by 12 kt PB's despite her SPCA and Univ. of Calif. flags clearly displayed.

ASW attack near Fukue-jima at 97,59

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 20
SC Ch 19
xAK Shinetsu Maru
xAK Kanzaki Maru
xAK Naniwa Maru
xAK Africa Maru
xAK Tacoma Maru
xAKL Matsutan Maru
xAKL Momoyama Maru
xAKL Kasui Maru
xAKL Kashi Maru
PB Bisaku Maru
PB Urashio Maru
PB Higashiyama Maru
PB Awa Maru

Allied Ships
SS Haddo


The things I did to get an average of 1 contact a day ..

1. I replaced most of the submarine commanders . most in my game were awful ..
2. Radar upgrades
3. I created three patrol zones.
a. Gilberts / Marshalls with my 4000 endurance platforms . that is because the Gilberts is my main focus and attacts lots of xAK's ..
b. Between Babeldab and Truk running in 4 hex east to west and back patterns with multiple subs sweeping ..
c. Multiple submarines between Amami Oshima to Saishu To they do 4 - 8 hex runs with pauses in the open water ..

By sweeping I am running in parallel with pauses within the lane I want to patrol.

I am a newbie CPTN Mandrake but as per my AAR ..I found lots of contacts and an rare occasion hits ..what I have found is that the Dutch torps work but they cannot hit anything . my USN subamarine commanders are throwing shoes, marbles, eggs .. and anything they can find as 10 torp shots yield all duds ..

Just a thought ..

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:41:42 PM   
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Radar?


The radar would have to be in Toodjay or something. I doubt the HOA would allow it.

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I know Tojos are not carrier capable. Right?


I hope to Sweet Jesus those damn things are not carrier capable. <makes Dominican baseball player crossing sign for getting a base hit>

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:45:47 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 8:59:25 PM   
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The things I did to get an average of 1 contact a day ..

1. I replaced most of the submarine commanders . most in my game were awful ..


Right. Have avoided that. Uggh. We just got slick pilot management tools and now the sub captains? I don't know if I have the psychic energy.

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2. Radar upgrades


Right, done that.


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3. I created three patrol zones.
a. Gilberts / Marshalls with my 4000 endurance platforms . that is because the Gilberts is my main focus and attacts lots of xAK's ..
b. Between Babeldab and Truk running in 4 hex east to west and back patterns with multiple subs sweeping ..
c. Multiple submarines between Amami Oshima to Saishu To they do 4 - 8 hex runs with pauses in the open water ..

By sweeping I am running in parallel with pauses within the lane I want to patrol.

I am a newbie CPTN Mandrake but as per my AAR ..I found lots of contacts and an rare occasion hits ..what I have found is that the Dutch torps work but they cannot hit anything . my USN subamarine commanders are throwing shoes, marbles, eggs .. and anything they can find as 10 torp shots yield all duds ..

Just a thought ..


Right, our S-boats are North of Oz covering Darwin, Broome, Port Hedland. This is a target rich environment with air recon so we get lots of attacks. We also have S-boats around Guadalcanal with PBY recon from Ndeni so they find targets too.

The patrols around Truk and Palau are not paying off except rarely.

The biggest waste of resources appear to be near the home islands. We have had some luck in the East China Sea but I think JJ is varying their routes. That is my chief question for Japanese players. Do they hug the China coast? Where are the TK's from the DEI?*


*Don't make us get out the waterboard.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 9:01:31 PM   
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Well, if they're all in Oz there are none in Burma.


If the F-4's flew over Broome and PH today we can spot them.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 9:07:30 PM   
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Where are the TK's from the DEI?*


There are choke points to the north and south of Taiwan/Formosa unless they're going the long way around Borneo.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 9:15:40 PM   
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Where are the TK's from the DEI?*


There are choke points to the north and south of Taiwan/Formosa unless they're going the long way around Borneo.


Right, that is where USS Cuttlefish got sunk. The ASW air assets are brutal there. The subs were getting damaged and spotted by LYB bombers and search planes. That is why I moved back to the East China Sea.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 9:20:04 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 9:46:16 PM   
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Well there's that.


Yes, there is. Perhaps we need beter die rolls. Are you good at that?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 1/14/2012 9:55:54 PM   
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Santa Maria! Where are all these freaking Tojos coming from?


Well, Japan, I would guess.

ETA: I mean-think about it, man. Have you ever known a Tojo from someplace other than Japan?

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