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Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 4:26:27 AM

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I usually go to bed pretty early, and I often sleep for five hours and wake up, then I try to fall back asleep for a couple of more hours before I get out of bed. Last night was typical, except that after I awoke after my first five hours of sleep or so, I was laying in bed having difficulty falling back asleep, and then I heard a very load noise coming from my basement, as if a pile of stuff had been knocked over. I was not half-awake, the noise I heard was very distinct and quite loud.

Someone had knocked something over by accident in my basement! I was convinced it must be a thief!

I needed to investigate, but I wasn't about to go down to my basement and face a thief bare-handed, so I needed a weapon. I used to keep a rifle in my house, and I wished I still had it, but a cumbersome 30-30 lever-action rifle isn't exactly a good home defense weapon. Still, I wished that I had it.

I went and grabbed a kitchen knife. I opened to door to the stairway down to the basement and clicked the light on.

Looking down the stairway, I got this strange sensation. Long ago I used to feel this way whenever I drove delivery trucks into ghetto Philadelphia or Hunts Point in Bronx. Yeah, like I was entering a very bad situation. Also, since I turned the stairway light on, the thief will be surely hiding, see me first, and do everything he can to stop me. Alternatively, I could just yell down the stairs that "I'm calling the Cops!" and then set up my own ambush at the top of the stairs and hope he runs away empty-handed.

Here's where it gets amusing:

I thought, "What the hell is wrong with me? I play crazy games where I tell my pixel troops to do things ten times scarier and I get upset when they show reluctance!" Wow, what a hypocrite I am! No, I'm not calling the Cops first, I'm going into that basement and stab a man to death if necessary! Seriously.

Well, I went down there and apparently the thief was long gone. I searched the basement in great detail, being sure to not turn on any more lights! I thought of the game "Oblivion" when I was looking for him and fearing a surprise zombie attack--I was genuinely afraid.

Apparently, quickly after he made his loud noise he ran away, but I didn't know that at the time. My side basement door was not completely closed, and the lock was half-turned. I know a similar trick to break in though that door when I lock myself out/

I don't know what my point is here, but I would never ask an employee or subordinant to do anything I'm not willing to do. I guess I feel a little guilt playing some of these crazy wargames...

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 5:08:39 AM

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Should have a firearm, train with it, nuff said.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 5:16:03 AM

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12 gauge shotgun with a pump is your best weapon for home defense. Nothing strikes fear into a criminal like the sound of a round being chambered by a pissed off home owner.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 5:23:29 AM

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Taint much better for home defense than the initial arming of a 570 moss tactical as 2ndACR finely pointed out. Only good for 1 thing but does it very well especially for the sleepy eyed homeowner. The '45 as the final equalizer. Glad it never came to a confrontation for you.

Being a well armed citizen it is my absolute hope to never draw a weapon on anyone. I am trained ready and never want to become willing.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 5:41:48 AM

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Thanks for the advice,

I'm thinking a cheap semi-auto 22LR rifle with the barrel cut off. I mean, if I had a rifle that still had the buttstock, with a half-length barrel and a plastic 40 round magazine, that would function like a submachinegun--I can pull the trigger pretty quickly.

Maybe a 410 shotgun?

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 6:29:12 AM

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Having read another post AGAINST THE 22LR, I will be purchasing a 12 gauge. I will also be purchasing a .45 handgun. I have too many meth addicts around here, and I don't think anything less than a .45 or 12 gauge will stop those assholes!

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 7:17:10 AM

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Smith & Wesson 500.....

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 7:51:45 AM

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Smith & Wesson 500.....

Maybe if he is being intruded by a Polar Bear. :) Too wieldy(sic).

That 570 posted above is only $350 and can find them for a bit cheaper too. For what it is it doesnt have to be special. My advice to you if you aren't proficient with a handgun would be to pick up a cheap 22 or 9mm because practice is what you'll need and 45 shells will break the bank just pinging them. Once comfortable, sell the thing and get you more of a showstopper. I prefer 1911 45's myself but there is nothing quite as reliable as a revolver either. Point pull trigger.

BTW, have that door fixed, like yesterday. If some thief thinks they can get in easily they may just wait till you leave if they're casing your joint. Lets just hope they were dumb kids looking for a quick buck and not the worst of those that roam this planet. Fix that door.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 7:57:56 AM

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How about no gun makes all people safe, I'd to scared to go back in to my house if I left wallet home after dark over your way.It appears to be the old adage, always bring a knife to a fist fight etc etc nuff said

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 8:19:20 AM

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How about no gun makes all people safe

Famous last words of a victim. How bout we get that word out to the criminals.

This mans house was broken into while he was home! I am a loving and caring man for my fellow humans, but I will protect my family against those who gun laws and private property mean nothing. Other people can use inefficient methods such as mace and whistles to defend their families or hope and wait for the police to show up. That is not of my concern. BTW, if you think there is no gun safety at my house you would be wrong.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 12:05:21 PM

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Damn, I envy you Americans all these guns.

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Looking down the stairway, I got this strange sensation. Long ago I used to feel this way whenever I drove delivery trucks into ghetto Philadelphia or Hunts Point in Bronx. Yeah, like I was entering a very bad situation. Also, since I turned the stairway light on, the thief will be surely hiding, see me first, and do everything he can to stop me. Alternatively, I could just yell down the stairs that "I'm calling the Cops!" and then set up my own ambush at the top of the stairs and hope he runs away empty-handed.

Here's where it gets amusing:

I thought, "What the hell is wrong with me? I play crazy games where I tell my pixel troops to do things ten times scarier and I get upset when they show reluctance!" Wow, what a hypocrite I am! No, I'm not calling the Cops first, I'm going into that basement and stab a man to death if necessary! Seriously.

Well, I went down there and apparently the thief was long gone. I searched the basement in great detail, being sure to not turn on any more lights! I thought of the game "Oblivion" when I was looking for him and fearing a surprise zombie attack--I was genuinely afraid.

So, let's get it straight... You decided to go down and kill the guy/expose yourself to an ambush where you may get killed or maimed because you felt guilty about not being willing to do what you do in a computer game?

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I don't know what my point is here, but I would never ask an employee or subordinant to do anything I'm not willing to do. I guess I feel a little guilt playing some of these crazy wargames...

There are no other humans involved in computer games unless you're playing online and even then there's no real risk of life.
Though, of course the casualties and attitude towards them is important for realism. But that's aesthetics, not morals.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 12:41:08 PM

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Stick to real war games and leave those fantasy games alone.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 12:46:03 PM

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Average time for police to respond once the burglar alarm goes off is 23 minutes. That is the AVERAGE.

Remember survival is attitude. A scumbag in your home has made his intentions known. Now it's your turn to show him yours. You now have what we call a target rich environment. Attitude.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 12:59:46 PM

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quote:

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How about no gun makes all people safe

Famous last words of a victim. How bout we get that word out to the criminals.

This mans house was broken into while he was home! I am a loving and caring man for my fellow humans, but I will protect my family against those who gun laws and private property mean nothing. Other people can use inefficient methods such as mace and whistles to defend their families or hope and wait for the police to show up. That is not of my concern. BTW, if you think there is no gun safety at my house you would be wrong.

The more guns in our society the greater the risk the wrong person gets shot.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 1:10:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

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How about no gun makes all people safe

Famous last words of a victim. How bout we get that word out to the criminals.

This mans house was broken into while he was home! I am a loving and caring man for my fellow humans, but I will protect my family against those who gun laws and private property mean nothing. Other people can use inefficient methods such as mace and whistles to defend their families or hope and wait for the police to show up. That is not of my concern. BTW, if you think there is no gun safety at my house you would be wrong.

And let's not forget 18 year old widow Sara McKinley, Oklahoma, who shot a burglar to protect her 3 month old son:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20559188,00.html

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 1:33:07 PM

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 1:57:46 PM

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 2:00:59 PM

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Peace through superior firepower!

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 2:06:58 PM

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I had a similar experience two years ago. However I was armed (357 revolver). The punk fled but was caught about a block away buying cigarettes! This 21 yr.old junkie had 3 knives on him, I shudder to think what he had in mind for my wife and I.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 3:01:09 PM

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different cultures different ideas, could go forever on this, Termy is right, I'm out of here.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 3:01:57 PM

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I also envy the Americans and Canadians (who have more guns per population than the States yet have a minimal gun crime problem, so the adage of more guns more gun crime is turned on it's head totally)...here in the UK any criminal can get a gun no problem (though apparently bullets are hard tog et) yet us non criminals can't get one..so our gangs are armed and we aren't...great ain't it.

I hate this country..I hate the government thats in charge..I hate the way our culture has gone... and all in all for probably the first time in my life I wish I never lived here and lived abroad..

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 3:16:39 PM

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I also envy the Americans and Canadians (who have more guns per population than the States yet have a minimal gun crime problem, so the adage of more guns more gun crime is turned on it's head totally)...here in the UK any criminal can get a gun no problem (though apparently bullets are hard tog et) yet us non criminals can't get one..so our gangs are armed and we aren't...great ain't it.

I hate this country..I hate the government thats in charge..I hate the way our culture has gone... and all in all for probably the first time in my life I wish I never lived here and lived abroad..

The United States has 89 guns per every 100 persons, Canada has 31 guns per every 100 persons.

And while the United States' rate of guns per population is the highest in the world, the rate of gun-related death is not the highest, nor in the top three.

Maybe having a gun does prevent crime.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 3:17:49 PM

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I recommend a shotgun with the first two rounds packed with rock-salt. Semi-lethal in case of a mishap.

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The more guns in our society the greater the risk the wrong person gets shot.

The fewer guns in our society, the more that government gets uppity.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 3:30:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ckammp

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I also envy the Americans and Canadians (who have more guns per population than the States yet have a minimal gun crime problem, so the adage of more guns more gun crime is turned on it's head totally)...here in the UK any criminal can get a gun no problem (though apparently bullets are hard tog et) yet us non criminals can't get one..so our gangs are armed and we aren't...great ain't it.

I hate this country..I hate the government thats in charge..I hate the way our culture has gone... and all in all for probably the first time in my life I wish I never lived here and lived abroad..

The United States has 89 guns per every 100 persons, Canada has 31 guns per every 100 persons.

And while the United States' rate of guns per population is the highest in the world, the rate of gun-related death is not the highest, nor in the top three.

Maybe having a gun does prevent crime.

Well I got the info from a Micheal Moore docu...though my comment still stands the more guns in a society doesn't mean more gun crime....usually it's how much Fear is fed into society..which these days the way the News is broadcast and the tone they use even the music to the news is dramatic and fear inducing..I've yet to work out the benefit of keeping a population scared and whether it's either some government thing or just the way our culture\TV has gone...I do believe though it causes more aggression (aggression is a great asset in a Capitalist society...dog eat dog and all that) and twitchy trigger fingers...

Anyway Criminals can get them easy...while innocent civilians can't...stupid.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 4:18:28 PM

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I recommend a shotgun with the first two rounds packed with rock-salt. Semi-lethal in case of a mishap.

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The more guns in our society the greater the risk the wrong person gets shot.

The fewer guns in our society, the more that government gets uppity.

Best point made so far.

Just look at those friendly faces, they mean us no harm, therefore we need no guns.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 5:09:49 PM

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If you want non lethal, then buy you an airsoft rifle that spits out plastic BB's at 450-500 FPS. At close range, it hurts like a son of a gun on full auto. If you buy a full replica, no bad guy can tell the difference until you light him up. And you don't risk killing the wrong person with a miss if he retreats out of the house. Those can be found for 200 bucks and up for a good one.

Want to scare them off without hurting them, buy a Thunder B stun grenade to make them flee the scene. These can be had for about 30 bucks.

I have confronted 3 punks trying to break into my work van at 2am with my REAL M4. It was cold and raining, I made them lay in the driveway in all that cold water till the cops got there. Cops asked me if I would have shot, my answer, if they are willing to get shot trying to steal a screwdriver, I am willing to shoot them over that screwdriver.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 6:16:32 PM

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2ndACR..thats the sort of thing I love about the States...

When you've been on the wrong end of gangs for 8 or 9 years like I was (went to court once but it was pointless really) you realise that the States has the right idea.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 6:37:10 PM

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Yep, I really love Texas, and the US. Just Texas more than others for gun issues and right to defend. I have both real guns and airsoft guns. But, I don't know what state the OP lives in so I have to be careful with recommendations due to his particular state laws.

If you have a real gun for home defense, you have to be ready and willing to use it. Otherwise it is a threat to your family also. Pray you never have to fire for real, but you have to be willing to do so. If he gets the 12 gauge, use +7 bird shot for home defense to lessen hitting innocents with over penetration. For an apartment, I would look for non lethal rounds to really protect myself. Think about your neighbors also.

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 9:08:23 PM

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For me the shotgun would be my last line of defence. Locked in my safe room with the only door covered by the shotgun. The handgun would be easier to handle in clearing the house!

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RE: Fear, hypocracy, and wargames. - 1/24/2012 9:54:44 PM

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Pistol you have to aim to shoot. The risk of a miss and over shoot are much higher. The shotgun is a point and shoot weapon that has a much much lower penetration danger. Unless using slugs or heavy buckshot. Just get close with a shotgun and chances are much higher you are going to score some hits. My wife and kids know to go for the shotgun in a worst case scenario. Even though my daughter would go for my M4 in a heartbeat. My son can out shoot me with his 9mm. But for home defense etc, the shotgun is where it all is.

I need to move to the country so I can let the grass grow high, hang a engine block in the front yard from a chain and put a car up on blocks. Then every criminal will know a gun lives in that house. Called the redneck security system, more effective than a Brinks sign.

A bunch of guns in my case.

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