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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 8:15:48 PM

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Ok uping post count. Since it took me 30 mins to get caught up. I now feel greedy for imploying shallow tricks and twits to get people to talk in my AAR. I also hope that Knoiu is getting good advise from people since I am receiving great advise. back to lurker mode

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 8:16:20 PM

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Oh UNP

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 8:20:46 PM

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Anyone else thinking that the Type 93 AA MG uses to much supplies if firing ? I think this is the right time and place for a healthy discussion about that post cou... I mean topic.

Grafin Zeppelin,

I've got to say-you're in rare form the past couple of weeks. You're cracking me up.

But, yes, I agree that the Type 93 AA MG uses too much supplies if firing.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 8:32:57 PM

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Indians on the War Path:� The Japanese sprung an ambush in the Java Sea, costing the Allies five xAP, five xAK, two SC and a KV, along with a fair bit of 77th Chidit Brigade.� The damage was inflicted by the BB Kirishima TF at Ketpang, with follow-up air strikes launched by IJ carriers (maybe the KB) posted just NW of Kuching.� Regular readers will know we expected this to happen sooner or later.� This ends the era of unimpeded expansion in the Java Sea.� I'll have to be more careful henceforth, but it's good to have enemy capital ships committed in waters where the Allies can finally get at them.

What Hath God Wrought?� I was disappointed that my CA Devonshire TF, meant to provide protection for�Ketapng, failed to do so.� The TF is set to patrol at Billiton Island with a react range of three (Ketpang is three hexes away) and a very good RN commander with 68 skill, 61 inspiration, and 81 aggression...but it�didn't react.� That's the beauty of AE...carrier TFs react against orders and despite every contrivance implimented to prevent them from doing so, but surface combat TFs don't react (also against orders) despite every�contrivance to make them do so.� :)

What Now:� The Allies have alot of engineers arriving at Oosthaven.� I want to get these guys forward to expedite building at the new bases on the Java Sea rim.� I'll continue to use low-value transports and I'll increase the amount of protection provided by good combat ships.

Burma:� In Indian brigade arrives at Toungoo tomorrow.� This should give the Allies enough to take the base eventually (I think).

NoPac:� No sign of imminent counter invasion up this way.

The Rest of the Pacific:� Quiet.

What I'm Learning from GJ's Game:� I am glad I am strongly positioned to deal with Japan's abiillty to extract oil, fuel and resources from the DEI.� It looks like that may be critical to long-term Allied health in Scenario Two matches.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 8:49:52 PM

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Now, back in my UGA days, I was a relatively handsome lad who was pretty quiet (once again, this sounds like the beginning of a joke, but isn't).� One semester, I had back-to-back classes with this gorgeous southern belle who the entire compus was in love with (or lusted after) including some of our professors.� I, on the other hand, had hopes of a long-distance relationship with another young lady, so I wasn't "in the market," so to speak.� So I, unlike the rest of the drooling males on campus, treated this belle politely and as a friend.� Wouldn't you know it, that treatment was so different that it must have impressed her, for eventually she asked me out!� I turned her down since I was interested in that other female.� That's either very sad or very cool.� Later that year, she appeared in Playboy ("Angel is the Centerfold" by J Guiles Band, anybody?).� She was fully clothed and had won some kind of "Southern Honky Tonk women contest), but dang she was pretty!

I don't recall her name, but I know exactly who you are talking about. She wasn't in any of my classes so I never drooled over her... at least not in her presence!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 8:50:25 PM

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Along those same lines, it would be nice to be able to order aa units to conserve ammo. I'm thinking especially of the Manilla area early in the game, after the fighters are neutralized, when a few bombers can convince your gunners to waste tons of supply.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 9:26:29 PM

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Yes, In my last game my opponent managed via bold and smart maneuvering to bottle up the whole 14th army in Bataan, I could do absolutely nothing to prevent that. The Philippine army then sieged me there and the Type 93 where eating all the supplies while the Allied Air force bombed me. That Type 93 thingie is realy a game breaker for me.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 9:28:32 PM

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I'm interested in your thoughts, PoultryLad (and those of the others).

I might have to play Japan one of these days.� No doubt it will make me a better player overall.� But here's how I will play Japan:

1942:� Japan advances rapidly and makes lots of snazzy conquests.
1943:� Japan encounters some bad luck or bad leadership or both and loses a bunch of vital assets, especially cruisers, battleships and carriers.� Japan begins to fall behind and the Allied advance is expedited.
1944 (early):� The Japanese player realizes the wheels have come off.� The Japanese player gathers all remaining asset into one massive strike force, aiming to pull a sexy inside straight.� The plan goes awry, the damage is massive, the Japanese leader blames game mechanics, the Japanese player concedes the game, wipes the moisture from his handsome brow, and gleefully looks forward to his next game as the Allied commander.

NaHh, with your history, 1943 - Japan invades Panama.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 9:33:28 PM

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deprecating...... Thanks to Nemo and also Canoerebel I cant read anything fluent without my dictionary....deprecating.....heh is that even a word ?

As in Self-Deprecating. like CR and very few others here.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/26/2012 11:38:02 PM

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ChickenBoy - I know what you mean about Southerners (read Southeasterners) and (false) modesty, but you found someone modest in Texas!?!? Must've been a tourista!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 5:45:01 AM

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Along those same lines, it would be nice to be able to order aa units to conserve ammo. I'm thinking especially of the Manilla area early in the game, after the fighters are neutralized, when a few bombers can convince your gunners to waste tons of supply.

Place them in "rest" mode. They don't shoot at anything then.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 2:07:12 PM

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Grafin Zeppelin,

I've got to say-you're in rare form the past couple of weeks. You're cracking me up.

But, yes, I agree that the Type 93 AA MG uses too much supplies if firing.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 4:21:45 PM

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ChickenBoy - I know what you mean about Southerners (read Southeasterners) and (false) modesty, but you found someone modest in Texas!?!? Must've been a tourista!

Heh...please note Cribtop that I mentioned living in Texas, but that my observations thereafter did not localize on that demographic. I know what you mean about Texans and their "modesty". There's no expression of which I am aware that says 'everything's big in Georgia.'

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 5:05:42 PM

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Along those same lines, it would be nice to be able to order aa units to conserve ammo. I'm thinking especially of the Manilla area early in the game, after the fighters are neutralized, when a few bombers can convince your gunners to waste tons of supply.

Place them in "rest" mode. They don't shoot at anything then.

Alfred

Wouldn't that make the ground troops more susceptable to loss from air attack, being in rest mode?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 5:22:48 PM

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Along those same lines, it would be nice to be able to order aa units to conserve ammo. I'm thinking especially of the Manilla area early in the game, after the fighters are neutralized, when a few bombers can convince your gunners to waste tons of supply.

Place them in "rest" mode. They don't shoot at anything then.

Alfred

Wouldn't that make the ground troops more susceptable to loss from air attack, being in rest mode?

Yes.

Heh, you can't have everything.

if you want to "conserve" supply this is how the game mechanism operates. You do get the benefit that if no flak is being put up, you might goad the opponent into thinking that you have run out of supply and therefore he launches a premature attack.

Alfred

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 6:08:53 PM

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NoPac:� Four days until winter with no sign of enemy moves on Onne or Para.� I am keeping my fingers crossed.� I have a train of small supply TFs waiting for bad weather, back up by a DD TF, Wasp TF, a CVE TF, and a two-CVE TF (the latter about three days from the scene).� If winter arrives before Japan does, the Allies will seriously bump the garrisons at these two islands over the winter.� This will become a fairly high political point priority until the bases are deemed secure.� By spring, I want six or more forts at each base, maximum supply, and probably 1500 AV at Para and 500 at Onne (right now they have 600 and 150, respectively).

DEI:� The Kirishima TF retired to reload, opening a window for transports to venture forth, but I held them back.� I wanted to see if Steve had more combat ships or carriers to commit.� In other words, I want to get a measure of the new paradigm before I take any calculated risks.� So, it will be a little while before I send troops forward to Borneo.� In the meantime, though, I can attend to Billiton, Toboali and Muntok - mainly getting additional engineer forces there to expedite airfield building.� Those three airfields will control the Java Sea once they each reach about level six and higher.� That, in turn, will make it possible for the Allies to then attend to Pontianak, Ketapang and Singakwang, because it will be most difficult and expensive for Japan to stick its nose into the newly established hornet's nest.� Then, once those Borneo bases have large airfields, the Allies can begin systematically pounding the port facilities at the bases with lots of oil.� That's the plan.

Burma:� With 350 AV at Toungoo facing less than�50 behind three forts and in jungle terrain, the Allies should be able to take this base.� A deliberate attack tomorrow.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 6:51:10 PM

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Alfred, would reserve mode have a similar effect to rest for AA units?

Canoerebel, I believe Paramushiro can build up to a base that can hold unlimited supplies, good luck putting that at max supply :) What are the current port/airfield levels at Para for you?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 6:52:18 PM

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Are you starting to get the masses of Dakotas yet at this point? I forget the OOB for the Allies. If so are they a factor in getting supply or more engineers onto Borneo while the fleets are parrying each others moves?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/27/2012 7:12:02 PM

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Para is currently two port, three airfield, four forts.

I don't have a flood of transports at this point. I have a few squadrons employed on Sumatra (mainly providing supply to Singkep - an island near Singapore - and Pontianak. I also have some flying supply from India to Burma.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/28/2012 5:23:55 PM

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10/28/42

NoPac: No sign of impending Japanese counterinvasion.

SWPac: Big transport TF carrying engineers just arrived at Milne Bay (port and airfield already level three). Only three DDs as escort, so this is risky. Lots of enemy shipping at Lunga, though to this point all IJ attention has been focused on Ndeni with none on MB.

DEI: Lots of subs between Oosthaven and Billiton Island. ASW damaged two, but a third put two TT into BC Repulse. Wtih damage in the 30s, she'll retire to Oost. Eventually, she'll go to Colombo. Royal Sovereign just returned to Oos from months in the yards at Colombo. The sub that did the evil deed was I-22, which previously has been a pain in the rear-end over around Trivandrum. I'll get her one of these days. Djambi airfield goes to level three. Lots of troop transports unloading at Billiton. Two SeaBee units just arriving at Oost. One will go to Billiton, the other I'll probably try to sneak into Ketapang.

Burma: Deliberate attack at Toungoo failed despite immense advantage in raw AV. 70-AV tank unit will arrive in two days and we'll try again.

China: An IJ stack from Chengchow has marched right into the teeth of the Chinese stack (5,400 AV) near Nanyang. This is intersting, because the Chinese have just returned from the mauling of the two IJA divisions and one brigade. This Chinese army is strong, experienced and has a history of success. The IJ stack is eight units (with two more possibly on the way). Even if it is a full eight divisions (unlikely) that's not enough to dislodge the Chinese stack. Meanwhile, the Chinese have additional troops that can be committed or that can be used to try a flanking maneuver. Steve may have a well-though-out plan her, but I think he's walking on thin ice.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 12:27:35 AM

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Dont rely on Winter making an invasion impossible, just more expensive ( I think 30% more losses, so a perfectly planned and supported landing might get a plus 30% on 100 losses)

It stops playeres from getting complacent in winter and assuming they are invulnerable.

But not going to happen in this game. (If Chez wanted to scare you he should post a question about Winter Invasions in the War Room)

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 1:25:12 PM

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Unless the code has been altered since WitP, winter landings in the Arctic are impossible. Disablements and disruptions are much higher than 30%. They are nearly 100%. Landing against an unoccupied base (or one just occupied by a base force with 5 or 10 AV) is possible, but landing against any real defenses is suicidal. (I could test this to see if that's still the case, but I don't need to go to the effort since I have what I have at these two bases and my plans won't change one way or the other; but I am pretty confident that winter landings are suicidal.)

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 1:48:56 PM

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Jeffk's fundamental point is correct but his quoted ill effects are inaccurate.

A winter landing is possible. There is no absolute bar that makes it impossible.

Pages 223-224 of the manual list the ill effects of winter. Unloading troops onto a defended beach will see the attacker suffer 3x the normal casualties. Clearly a snap unplanned invasion will incur horrendous losses in the initial unloading phase. But subsequent combat does not suffer from any particularly unique adverse modifiers.

ChezDaJez won't essay a winter landing because (a) he has had all summer and autumn to launch an easier counter invasion, and (b) because of the public comments he made in a different third party AAR which is regularly read by Canoerebel.

Unless of course ChezDaJez has been planning all along a great operational surprise to catch the Allied napping.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 5:24:52 PM

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Unless of course ChezDaJez has been planning all along a great operational surprise to catch the Allied napping.Alfred

There is more chance of the world ending tomorrow. He lost interest/heart in this game months ago and I'm sure if Dan offered him terms he would be happy to end his suffering. This AAR is like watching an old dog die a slow, painful death (sorry Dan, not your fault!).......

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 7:11:03 PM

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NoPac: No sign of anything about to happenn. Almost surely, now, the Allies will have the winter months to attend to Onnekotan and Paramushiro, to build the facilities and forts, to reinforce, and to maximize supply. I don't expect the Allies to make any major offensive thrusts in NoPac in 1943, but these two bases will continue to pose a threat to Japan, and the Allies can make use of them in 1944 or later should the need arise.

SWPac: The engineers and base forces came ashore at Milne Bay, which now can handle 90 aircraft at the level three (and expanding) airfield. With 400 AV, this base is where it needs to be. The Allies will continue to build port and airfield on the possiblity that at some point an operation to the north might be desireable. But I don't think it will be necessary.

DEI: More base forces and support units unloading at Billiton, which is nearly ready to stand on its own. It now has support to handle 180 aircraft. It's a level four field on the way to level eight. Over the coming weeks, the Allies will concentrate on beefing up the garrisons at Pontianak and Ketapang, and getting plenty of engineers ashore to build the airfields. Singkep, an island just south of Singapore, is another possibility. The Allies have 75 AV ashore and two forts. Both units are 100% prepped. It can't really serve in an offensive capacity until the Allies have Djambi, an airfield on Sumatra with airfield three at the moment, fully built and available to provide support.

Burma: The Allies should be in position to shock attack with 400 AV at Toungoo day after tomorrow.

China: The Japanese have advanced five divisions (2,100 AV) against 5,400 Chinese AV near Nanyang. Before an attack, I'm going to wait a few days in hopes that my guys draw supply. I think Steve observed the recent mauling of his two divisions by the Chinese and drew some erroneous conclusions. That battle lasted for three days, with the Chinese units low on supply and arriving in three separate sections. The first attack had consisted of just 2,000 AV and didn't perform well. So that stack was a little messed up when the second group arrived. The combined performance wasn't particularly impressive for that reason. I think Steve deduced from this that the Chinese are weak and vulnerable. I think he's made a mistake.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 7:22:39 PM

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... I don't expect the Allies to make any major offensive thrusts in NoPac in 1943, but these two bases will continue to pose a threat to Japan, and the Allies can make use of them in 1944 or later should the need arise...

At the height of McGrath and Warne terrorising the English batsmen, it used to be said that the definition of optimism was an English batsman putting on sunscreen before walking out to the middle.

I think we have a new definition of optimism.

Alfred

Edit: just doing my bit for the post count competition

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 7:51:20 PM

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Sweet cricket reference. Post count now raised.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 9:17:50 PM

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NoPac: No enemy action imminent. Winter will arrive with the Allies in possession of Para and Onne. I'm moving some transport, combat and carrier TFs to be in position to run some supply into both islands. I stood down base and fort building on Para months ago to conserve precious supply, but all three activities will now resume. Onne doesn't have any supply, but we're working on that.

CenPac: The Allies have pretty good chain of bases from Hawaii to Oz now, with Ndeni and Milne Bay filling what is ordinarily the toughest gap to bridge.

SWPac: All ships retiring from Milne Bay, having completed unloading of troops and supply.

DEI: Lots of enemy combat ships approaching Borneo's southwest cape on a SW heading. Could be another strike force aimed at Allied shipping (around Billiton this time), or might be cover for carriers or landings at Kuching or vicinity. SigInt reports more units prepping for Palembang, including 6th Guards Division, which is significant. Up until now all reports have been for smaller units, but this is the "real McCoy." 6th Guards recently finished up operations at Malaybaylay. Also, lots of SigInt reports of heavy traffic at Cam Ranh Bay. Steve is clearly organizing for something big. I would like him to finally venture forth. I can hardly believe he still has his sights set on Palembang. We'll see. A SeaBee detachment has arrived at Pontianak and air transport of part of 25th Indian Division commences tomorrow.

Burma: My armored recon unit is still one mile short of reaching Toungoo. So no attack until day after tomorrow.

China: The Chinese units drew supply. I also replaced a bunch of substandard commanders. 5,400 AV will deliberate attack 2,100 AV tomorrow. This is an important attack and not a sure thing...and you know what tends to happen when the Chinese don't prevail...

Peace Feelers: Even though Steve didn't invade the Kuriels, which was my litmus test to gauge his interest in the game, I won't approach him quite yet about whether he prefers to continue or not. He seems to be up to something big in the DEI, and I don't want to put him in the position of having to disclose intel by replying to my query with a "Just wait a few days and see; I have something big in the works." So, we'll give it a little more time.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 11:33:50 PM

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....Miller is dead on right.

Come on, CR, let the dude down gently. You are a very gentlemanly persona and Chez probably just needs a small nudge.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/29/2012 11:43:09 PM

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....Miller is dead on right.

Come on, CR, let the dude down gently. You are a very gentlemanly persona and Chez probably just needs a small nudge.

+1 ....sorry CR

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