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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 1:33:38 PM

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They use the Sally Ic? You can't use anything else?

Afaik you can use all Sally types to avoid paying the PP if the unit upgrade to any Sally variant. Same goes with other Planes.

About the Anne. Its the only useful 1E bomber in my book. It sucks if used in a 2E role but its realy good in ASW and low naval/ground attack.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 1:39:13 PM

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Yeah, I like the Ann as well. I also have this strange affinity for the Mary. They're not nearly as good, but I still like them. The rest are fit only for rookies to wreck.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 1:45:41 PM

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 1:47:47 PM

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Its her fancy camo outlock. *nods* she looks like a GI Jane.
Little less range and a service rating of 2 if I remember right but yes, compared to Sonia/Ida she is golden.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 2:12:02 PM

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Must be the soldier in me. By the way, I had the opportunity to spend a month at Hohenfels, near the Czech border training for a mob a few years back. I only had the opportunity to visit the German countryside a couple of times but it was beautiful and the people were wonderful. I'd love to go back on my own dime.

I'm looking at R&D right now. My A6M3s are coming along nicely at 15(45). The Helen is at 14(0) so I'm bumping her up to 30 for now. I'll increase her more later depending on what I decide to do with the Lily factory.

I'm going to go through the 1E bomber units to see which can upgrade to 2E free. That'll help decide what I do with the Lily.

The Ki-44-IIa is at 1(29) so I have time before I need to increase it to 60.

What am I missing?
I'll probably bump the Tony to 30 eventually. It's at 2(20) right now.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 2:20:26 PM

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I only found 4 units:

5 Air Division
16 Sentai - 31 aircraft

China
45 Sentai - 27 aircraft

2 Air Division
6 Sentai - 27 aircraft

1 Air Division
3 Sentai Det A - 9 aircraft

Only the first two are useable without having to buy them out. Oh well, it's more info to make an informed decision later.

I can convert the 6 Sentai and then use them for bombing Chinese troops. That'll increase the bomber pilot reserve a bit faster.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 2:46:20 PM

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Trying to figure out R&D. Is it better to have 1x 60 factory or 2x 30 factories? I'm not talking about repairing, just what is better once they are repaired.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 3:46:55 PM

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The Helen is at 14(0) so I'm bumping her up to 30 for now.

How many ar you planning on building per month?

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Trying to figure out R&D. Is it better to have 1x 60 factory or 2x 30 factories? I'm not talking about repairing, just what is better once they are repaired.

2x30 I've read numerous people state 30 is the sweetspot, atleast one [Damian] via testing it

Suggestion turn that 55 Ki-84 factory at Maebashi into Ki-44a. Depending on how much research is going into the Ki-44a roll it into production as time dictates , IIRC changing it will take it down to 34.

Depending on your building and R&D plans you'll need another Ki-84 plant.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 3:52:35 PM

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Anything more than 30 is a waste as the research gain is capped at 3 points per factory. So 2x30 is twice as good as 1x60.

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In simple terms
(a) A factory will produce a random R&D between 0 and the number of devices in the factory ie 1 device = 0, 2 devices = 0,1, 3 devices =0,1,2, 4 devices = 0,1,2,3, 10 devices = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.

The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:12:23 PM

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My mathemathics are very bad actualy but why is 2 x 30 better than 1x 60 if every factory gives 1-3 research points *ponders*

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:32:07 PM

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Because 1x60 gives you 1-3 points while 2x30 gives you 2x 1-3 = 2-6 points, my grafin

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:34:31 PM

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Because 1x60 gives you 1-3 points while 2x30 gives you 2x 1-3 = 2-6 points, my grafin

Aaaah thanks, now it makes sense even for me. Sometimes I think I should stick with my agenda of only producing green planes. Makes it alot easier

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:35:57 PM

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Plus, it leaves you more flexibility for shutting them off, or changing the production.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:38:08 PM

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I swear..since i saw a post earlier talking about your avatar, i too now get this thudding in my head when she walk.

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Because 1x60 gives you 1-3 points while 2x30 gives you 2x 1-3 = 2-6 points, my grafin

Aaaah thanks, now it makes sense even for me. Sometimes I think I should stick with my agenda of only producing green planes. Makes it alot easier

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:41:15 PM

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They use the Sally Ic? You can't use anything else?

If the 2E is on the PDU OFF upgrade path, then there is NO PP for upgrading to a 2E - IF you use that specific air frame (even in a PDU ON game). There are several (4? 6?) groups that have the 1c on their upgrade path. Once you've upgraded to the 1c, you can then upgrade to ANY 2E with no PP penalty. So, those 1c's have value. You start with like 100 total, so you should have plenty. Just don't throw them away.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 4:41:53 PM

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Its inevitable. Nemo might play your mind against you but I outright destroy it

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 7:18:59 PM

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Pax, I have 3 sentai in Manchuoko using the Sally Ic for training. I can always swap them out for the Lily if I need to.

Thanks for the info on R&D. I've never paid that much attention to it in the past.

Sulu, I plan on producing 80 Helens a month. I'll most likely build 2 R&D factories at 30 each and then convert the Lily when the time comes.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 8:04:05 PM

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12 Jan 42

Sub War

Well, 3 of my subs wasted 8 torpedoes against 3 DDs.

There is a convoy coming out of San Francisco. I have a sub in it's path. Let's see what we find tomorrow.

5 Fleet

Adak's airfield finally made level 1! Working on level 2 now. The engineers from Manchuoko are still more than a week out.

4 Fleet

Nothing new to report.

SE Fleet

I'm setting up a little ambush for Ted. I know he has some A-24s and recon at Pt. Moresby but no fighters. I shot all those down. I have a small convoy with a NG company that is headed toward Buna for an invasion. I'm LRCAPing it with Zeros from Lae. Hopefully, the A-24s will take the bait and go for the convoy. I'd love to shoot them down.

Philippines

I did another DA with the 2x tank regiments at Lucena getting 1:1 odds. I lost a tank - 5(1) to 242(0) Allied casualties. I'm trying a shock attack. Hopefully that will get rid of them.

China

I am moving forward in my encirclement and a couple of successful attacks ensued. The first was just north of Nanyang where I lost 324(0) to 2196(311) Chinese and the second was SW of Kaifeng where I lost 156(1) to 1403(109) Chinese. It's looking good.

My Oscars are starting to do the trick. Today over Nanchang, 4 Oscars met 9 H81-A3s shooting down 2 for the loss of 1 Oscar and I recovered the pilot, again. I'm going to hurry this along. I have stationed a chutai of 9 Zeros at Hankow. Let's see what happens tomorrow.

Burma

Pt. Blair finally made a level 2 airfield. Level 4 is the goal.

My forces are flowing farther into Burma.

Malaya

The 3x divisions arrived in Singapore and survived a shock attack. Actually, they didn't lose much. My losses were 3902(13) to 1764(51) Brits. That was much better than I thought. Unfortunately, the divisions disruption is in the low 90s and fatigue is in the mid 60s. I'll let them rest a few days to sort themselves out and then send the other 2 divisions along with the artillery and engineers to reinforce.

Java

Yamada Det did a sweep of Kaldijati and it worked like a charm, if on a small scale. All 18 Zeros met one lonely B-339D and shot it down. I had another pilot achieve elite status and moved him to TRACOM. 5 pilots there now. I replaced him with another 80 exp pilot from the pool. I'll continue to do that keeping 30% on rest. I have 6 spare pilots in the unit so hopefully rotation and rest will keep pilot fatigue down.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 9:38:45 PM

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Unfortunately, the divisions disruption is in the low 90s and fatigue is in the mid 60s.

Wow, that was a really bad roll. I've never had that high of disruption on a river crossing before. On the flip side, you were lucky you didn't suffer worse casualties. So i guess it all evened out!

Gary and his randomness.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 9:49:54 PM

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Yeah, it's good. I ran another turn. Disruption is down to 66 average and fatigue is down to 59. I'll write up the replay later.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 10:03:09 PM

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I usually send the Corp HQ over as you need at least enough Support for your troops to get max combat results.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/29/2012 11:46:51 PM

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Michael, in a mistake that probably helped, I had planned on sending 4 divisions but instead sent 3 divisions and the 25 Army HQ. Dumb luck that worked in my favor.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/30/2012 3:13:34 AM

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13 Jan 42

Sub War

The convoy slipped past me somehow. I'm chasing it and hope to catch it tomorrow.

5 Fleet

The engineers are finally loading for transport to Adak.

4 Fleet

Nothing new to report.

SE Fleet

Well, 13 A-24s went after Lae instead of the TF. My Zeros on CAP shot down 3 and the remaining did nothing.

We'll try again to lure them to the TF tomorrow. This time I have a whole daitai on LRCAP instead of the 3 that were on CAP over Lae.

Philippines

The two tank regiments did a SA at Lucena wiping out the defenders. For no loss, the Allies lost all three units totaling 6809(855) losses. Now just Bataan remains.

China

More good news in the skies over China. 8x H81-A3s flew over Hankow meeting 3 Nates and 5 Zeros. The Nates were ineffective, but none were shot down, which is a victory in itself. The Zeros shot down 2 AVG for no loss. They finally met their match!

I caught a couple Chinese Corps NE of Ichang hitting them hard and pushing them out of the hex. For 785(2) losses, they lost 3856(203). One hex closer to bagging a whole bunch of Chinese.

It looks like some or all of the the Chengchow garrison is on the move. Interesting....

Java

The Yamada Det attempted another ambush of the Dutch fighters but none came up to play. Too bad.

Burma

Nothing new to report.

Malaya

The 3 divisions and army HQ are safely in Singapore. The Allied AV was 1175.

Other Stuff

Lots of ground reinforcements:

2 Raiding Regiment (More paratroopers - Yay! Not sure where they are going yet.)
38, 39 & 41 AA Bns - 17 Army - These guys are destined for the northern area. At least 2 of them are headed for Adak. They'll be needed there.

82 & 83 Naval Guard
4, 5, 7 & 8 SNLF Co
10 Special Base Force

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/30/2012 3:24:24 AM

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I knew I forgot something. I increased the Helen factory from 14 to 30 and converted the Helen transport factory to the Helen bomber (seems reasonable) and bumped it up to 30. I don't expect it to come any quicker but it'll start pumping them out when they do become operational.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/30/2012 3:48:39 AM

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How many aircraft are producing a month?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/30/2012 11:10:51 AM

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How many aircraft are producing a month?

Let's see if I can remember this off the top of my head:

100 A6M2
16 B5N1
16 B5N2
30 D3A1
27 E13A1
20 E14Y1
30 G3M2
30 G4M1
10 C5M2
10 H6K4
10 L3Y2

128 Ki-43-Ic
40 Ki-21-IIa
34 Ki-48 (Currently off)
20 Ki-46-II
20 Ki-57-I

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/30/2012 11:35:00 AM

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Just to clarify air transport.

It's done very simplistically if you compare it to the naval transport model.

Firstly, a device with a load cost higher than 9 cannot be airlifted (i.e. friendly base to friendly base). Secondly, a device with a load cost higher than 7 cannot be air-dropped (i.e. paratroop assault).

The capacity of transport aircraft is almost moot if it is below 7500. All transport aircraft with capacities below 7500 are able to airlift/airdrop either 2 Aviation Support devices or 1 Squad/Engineer/Device. If an aircraft has a capacity of 7500 or higher, then it can airlift/airdrop either 4 Aviation Support devices or 2 Squads/Engineers/Devices.

So, whether a transport aircraft has a capacity of 2000 or 6000, both aircraft will only be able to transport only one squad.

There are very few aircraft with a capacity of 7500 or higher, and then almost exclusively Allied (I believe the Emily transport is the only Japanese one).

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/30/2012 12:53:31 PM

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AA units - your large ones go to Burma. The Allied player will probably be sending those 'nasty' 4e bomber menace your way sooner than you would like.

SNLF Co - They are used as part of your "rowboat corp" per Criptop. I convert my Kamikaze Class DDs to APDs and a few of them load a company with supply and go from empty base to the next empty, or from dot base hex to dot base hex.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/31/2012 2:30:59 AM

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Sulu, I plan on producing 80 Helens a month. I'll most likely build 2 R&D factories at 30 each and then convert the Lily when the time comes.

Actually since the first 14(0) is already "researching", it is best imho to just let it be. Expanding it to 30 will just delay the research imho. If you are so inclined to have the "sweet-spot" size 30 research factory use another factory to ramp up to size 30. There are so many research factories out there, the only limitation to Japan really is the availabilty of supply.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 1/31/2012 3:17:33 AM

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Michael, good idea for those AA Bns. They'll definitely do more good in Burma. I've been using all those companies I started with and got as reinforcements to clean up dot hexes.

awaw, normally I'd agree with you, but in the case of the Helen, I really don't expect to get them any earlier. My goal is to have 60 repaired so when they do become operational, I'll start building 2 a day.

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