HansBolter
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Andy,
I have to say I thnk you went too far. Last night I updated to 1108r9 and Ironman Japan v5. I deleted all my previously saved games of v3 and started a new game with great anticipation. What I found myself on the receiving end of in turn one was beyond the pale.
I didn't mind in v3 how you had the Japanese making more than one port strike on day one because the additional port strikes went against targets with insignificant assets (Davao, Hong Kong and Rangoon). I didn't even mind too much when your last tweak prior to this one put a carrier TF in position to sink the Houston.
However, your latest tweak with an over the top PH strike with two TFs off pearl and another hitting Manila not once, but TWICE on day one is just too much.
I want a better fight once I start fighting. I don't want a knock out blow while I'm still sleeping and haven't even awoken to start the fight yet. Even JFBs who twist thier opponents arms into playing sceario 2 with a non-historical first turn usually implement house rules limiting Japan to one port strike on day one. You have the AI doing what no Japanese player would ever try to do, becasue no Allied opponent would ever agree to it.
Turn one left such a sour taste in my mouth I am wondering how to downgrade back to v3, or if I should play v5 with first turn surprise off so I can move some assets out of the path of this juggernaut you've created.
I like for my game to deviate from history AFTER the first turn. When I choose a historical first turn an historical first turn with variable results is what I expect to get.
I realize I'll get attacked up one side and down the other for my negative feedback, but I have endeavored to diligently provide you with feedback on the scenario I play the most, good or bad as it may be. I am sure others will likely feel differently, but I think you went too far.
Results of SIX first turn port attacks below:
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Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 105 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 51
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
B5N2 Kate x 168
D3A1 Val x 160
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 3 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 144 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 16 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 54 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 34 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 34 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 10 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 24 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 39 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 10 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 32 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 5 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 15 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 4 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 damaged
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 7 damaged
O-47A: 2 destroyed on ground
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
SOC-1 Seagull: 3 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed
Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CM Oglala
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
AE Pyro, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Tracy
DD Conyngham, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Taney, Bomb hits 1
DD Allen, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Case, Bomb hits 1
DM Montgomery, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Castor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
AE Mauna Loa, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Preble, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tucker, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Worden, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Zane, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AM Turkey, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Dewey, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
PG Sacramento, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Monaghan, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1
DMS Trevor, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1
DMS Wasmuth, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Breese, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVP Swan, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Aylwin, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Repair Shipyard hits 1
Airbase hits 44
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 82
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Morning Air attack on Davao , at 79,91
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AVD William B. Preston, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Montanes, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAKL Mauban, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 7
A6M2 Zero x 14
B5N1 Kate x 71
Allied aircraft
no flights
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 42 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed on ground
PBY-4 Catalina: 43 damaged
PBY-4 Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
SOC-1 Seagull: 7 damaged
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied Ships
SS Permit, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS S-40, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
PT Q-111, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
AM Lark, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PT-34, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AS Otus, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Peary, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 40
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 10000 feet
27 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
xAK Chilka, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Chaksang, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Indira, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Mundra, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAKL Agnes, Bomb hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
G4M1 Betty x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Allied Ships
xAK Hai Lee, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Ming Sang, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Halldor, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Munlock, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Hinsang, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Kanchow, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Fatshan, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Chengtu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Hanyang, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Bennevis, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Soochow, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Repair Shipyard hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
D3A1 Val x 19
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Sagoland, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Tanager, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 1
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1
PT-31, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Don Jose, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Hans
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