Empire101
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Seen few movies of Nanking and wasnt pretty, whoever allowed this should be excuted or let the Chineses handle that situations. Sadly to see all those women and children get butchered as well men too.
This episode has forever blighted any discussion about the conduct of the Imperial Japanese Army.
I can only say that if anyone is interested in this terrible episode then Iris Changs book 'The Rape of Nanking' is required reading on this horrible subject.
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On the other hand, Yamamoto is not like that at all. Pretty much it was the IJA was responible for what happen and what started the war in the first place, esp Tojo. Yamamoto knew he couldnt pull this off in War in the Pacific, may run wild for months then it will slow down after the Americans start replacing and building alot more ships and planes.
Tojo was one amongst many who who bear the responsibility for Japans path to war. In the late 30's Foreign Minister Matsouka ( he who famously walked out of the League of Nations ), is also one who steered Japans destiny ever closer to confronting the Western Powers.
Navy Chief of Staff Nagano and the Army Chief of Staff Sugiyama attitudes also carried alot of weight in this matter.
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It was a brillant strategy for attacking Pearl Harbor, that what i would do too and yes it was risky. Least it would knock most of those capitol ships out of the war or make war. If they didnt attack Pearl Harbor, our Military R&D and other fields may not gotten this far and who know what would happen if Cold War took place in Cuba then. Yes the American Military Techs is strong.
Whether Operation Z was brilliant is open to debate. It was a plan to simultaneously knock out the the American Pacific Fleet to allow an unimpeded Japanese assault on Malaya, the Phillipines, Borneo and the Dutch East Indies.
In that respect the plan worked perfectly. What went wrong was Japans assumption that the Allies would soon lose interest in regaining their possessions after inflicting massive casualties on them in one or two 'Decisive Battles'. The Western Powers were considered decadent and immoral by the Japanese, and so their 'weakness' would lead to their downfall and Japan's triumph. A sort of super Tsushima 'idea' pervaded the Japanese military mindset, in that all they had to do was bring America and her Allies to their collective knees in a catastrophic ( for the Allies ) confrontation. In fact the reverse happened.
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Now some of you will disagreed or may accept my opinions about what started the war in China, first of all the Chineses have been in civil wars for who know how long. They been fighting in seven or more different factions and included Communist China. They have been kidnapping and killing their own peoples. It took me years to collect most informations on what really happen over there, most peoples didnt know that. IMO that what started the conflict at Marco Polo Bridge on the July 7th, 1937, few shots were fired at Japanese Troops on the other side. After they settled this, the Chineses refuse to look or hand over the snipers who been shooting at them. So after three rounds of attack then they rushed in. Well i would done the samn thing too. Too bad they didnt settle this in the logic ways without bloodshed and alot of peoples have died because of it.
IMO that the Chineses have been playing dirty in some points, esp the Communist China that have spies everywhere. After kidnapped their General and other officers as well loved ones, they wanted to cause some serious damage through cloak and dagger styles, by attacking the Japanese Troops and bringing them into conflict and that would really bad. Even the Germans helped the Chineses to fight off the attackers, then later they pulled out, funny how Germany invite Japan into the Axis side, infact Japan was pretty brutal and aggressive. Like disturbing the hornet nest!
Hmmmm......... I think that is being a little economical with the truth, in my opinion.
Japans Imperial ambition in China was as naked and as ruthless as the British, French, Dutch and Germans had been all through the 19th and early 20th Century, but even the Western Powers had done nothing like what happened at Nanking. The simple fact of the matter was that the Kwantung Armys High Command was over run with ultra nationalists prepared to commit gekokujo ( insubordination) in the name of protecting The Emperor and Japan herself from her own politicians wishes. The Marco Bridge Incident gave the Japanese Army a reason ( however flimsy) for invading China. I did not think there was any doubt about who really engineered the Incident. Major General Doihara is strongly suspected of being the 'third party' involved at the bridge. The Kwantung Army's fingerprints are all over it.
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Stretching out too far was the problems for supplies and chain of commands. Not protecting her convoy for raw materials to Japan and their pilots refuse to use parachutes when they are shot down. Losing four carriers at Midway was terrible, but they still can fight if they have training their pilots and keep the war going as long it take. The Americans couldnt keep going due too much warships, planes and men fighting for their country, most of them willing to fight even they dont get paid for doing it. They were going bankrupt quickly by 1945-46.
One major flaw was the Japanese R&D, lacking of radars til it was too late. Anyway there no way the Japaneses would have taken Austraila or West coast of USA. Japaneses was hoping to hold out as long they can til the Americans or Allies given up.
In my opinion Japans greatest mistake was completely underestimating the resolve of the Allies to fight back after a series of terrible setbacks. Yamamoto saw the disparity between America and Japan and knew he could not hold them off forever. Grab as much as you can and then bleed the enemy white in their attempts to retake their possessions until they come to the diplomatic table, is the esscence of Yamamotos strategy. Remember that Japan is only really the size of California in square miles
Oh, and the film looks fantastic!!
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Even Yamamoto had misgivings about it at the time. The operational plan used on December 7th may have been exceptional, but to judge the strategy, you should look at the first two weeks of August, 1945. Worked out well for the Japanese, didn't it?
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