castor troy
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Raised the issue with totally undamaged subs breaking off surface engagements in the tech forum, reason for the behaviour seems to be a die roll that looks at the agressiveness of the sub skipper + damage of the sub... and the routine seems to use values that are IMO a bit off as no matter how agressive (or not) a skipper is, a sub should NOT break off it's surface engagement when there is no damage at all... that's my opinion but my opinion won't change things, so we have to continue with something that has no realistic evidence at all I guess, have never heard about sub skippers fleeing from unescorted freighters while staying on patrol when their sub is in PERFECT shape... I am totally fine with the routine having this happen when sys or flt reaches 20 as Don mentioned which is very much apreciated info... still I definitely see a need to adjust the third trigger, which is damage + agressiveness rating of the skipper, especially when you see that 75% of the highly skilled sub skippers got LOW agressiveness ratings... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 25, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Addu (16,52) - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships BB Fuso BB Nagato, Shell hits 1 DD Hatsukaze DD Natsushio Allied ground losses: 266 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled BB Fuso firing at Addu RN Base Force Addu RN Base Force firing at BB Fuso BB Nagato firing at Addu RN Base Force Addu RN Base Force firing at BB Nagato Addu RN Base Force firing at DD Hatsukaze DD Hatsukaze firing at Addu RN Base Force DD Hatsukaze fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Addu (16,52) TF 16 troops unloading over beach at Addu, 16,52 god damn, the enemy picked up troops from Diego Garcia and now throws them onto Addu, totally unprepared... oh how I hate the silly amphib bonus feature in PBEM... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Kendari at 70,106 Japanese Ships xAK Bunzan Maru Allied Ships SS KX, hits 1 xAK Bunzan Maru is sighted by SS KX SS KX attacking on the surface de Back, P.G. decides to submerge SS KX due to damage the idiocy continues, another sub with the same behaviour, as UNDAMAGED as the other ones doing this... like I've said, the way to go for the IJN would be to use UNESCORTED convoys as this would mean the subs would attack on the surface and would immedietely flee... not realistic but it would be a nice exploit of this "feature"... oh come on, this can't be serious... and me being a ranting bitch or not, I dare to say that this is just not correct as it is set now... NOT CORRECT! the funny thing about all this, if I would use low naval skill skippers and I would complain about my subs missing even more (with an insane miss rate anyway) someone would pop up asking about my skippers and I would post low naval skill skippers I would get an answer like "no wonder your subs miss all the time, look at the low naval skill of the skippers"... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 24 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 11 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 24 Aircraft Attacking: 24 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore) Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Japanese aircraft B4Y1 Jean x 20 B5N1 Kate x 20 Japanese aircraft losses B4Y1 Jean: 1 destroyed by flak B5N1 Kate: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 22 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 20 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb 20 x B4Y1 Jean bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 9th Indian Division ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23 Ki-30 Ann x 31 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 damaged Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 21 Aircraft Attacking: 18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb 23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb 31 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore Base Force, at 50,84 (Singapore) Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 52 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 18 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 25 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak Ki-48-Ib Lily: 8 damaged Allied ground losses: 61 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled a hell a lot of aircraft are flying against Singergrad now... those Kates/Jeans further above are taken off some CVL to support the attack on Singergrad, what about that? Aircraft Attacking: 23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb 9 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... Also attacking 27th Australian Brigade ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... Also attacking Singapore Base Force ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... Also attacking Singapore Base Force ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... Also attacking 27th Australian Brigade ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... Also attacking Singapore Base Force ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 12 Ki-51 Sonia x 12 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed by flak Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb 12 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 4 Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 16 Aircraft Attacking: 23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore) Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 13 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damaged Ki-48-Ib Lily: 8 damaged Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 19 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb 13 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 11th Indian Division ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... Also attacking 11th Indian Division ... Also attacking Singapore Fortress ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Addu RN Base Force, at 16,52 (Addu) Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 26 B5N2 Kate x 18 D3A1 Val x 15 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 83 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled as you can see, enemy CVs are supporting the enemy's assault far into the Indian Ocean, nothing I can do about... Aircraft Attacking: 3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 8000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Christmas Island IO (45,104) TF 72 troops unloading over beach at Christmas Island IO, 45,104 Japanese ground losses: Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) 7.7mm T99 AAMG lost in surf during unload of 22nd JAAF AF Bn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Samarinda (65,96) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 914 troops, 0 guns, 141 vehicles, Assault Value = 74 Defending force 918 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10 Japanese adjusted assault: 98 Allied adjusted defense: 3 Japanese assault odds: 32 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese forces CAPTURE Samarinda !!! Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-) experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Allied ground losses: 562 casualties reported Squads: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 26 (26 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 2 Units destroyed 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 8th Tank Regiment Defending units: Samarinda KNIL Battalion VI KNIL Battalion Samarinda Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Madioen (54,104) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 973 troops, 4 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 37 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 13 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese forces CAPTURE Madioen !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(+) Assaulting units: 22nd Recon Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sidate (75,100) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 1171 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32 Defending force 1145 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29 Japanese adjusted assault: 13 Allied adjusted defense: 10 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-) morale(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: leaders(-) Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 19 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: Sasebo 1st SNLF Defending units: Manado Garrison Battalion Manado Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 51,103 (near Tjilatjap) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 1641 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 119 Defending force 1230 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Japanese adjusted assault: 19 Allied adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-) experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-) Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 172 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) Assaulting units: Sasebo 3rd SNLF Yokosuka 2nd SNLF Defending units: Tjilitap Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Bima (63,110) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 217 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 4 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Bima !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: supply(-) Assaulting units: III/81st Naval Guard Unit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Addu (16,52) Japanese Shock attack nooooooo Attacking force 783 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 40 Defending force 1260 troops, 6 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 8 Japanese adjusted assault: 28 Allied adjusted defense: 5 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Addu !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Blenheim I: 10 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), disruption(-) experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Japanese ground losses: 57 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 1323 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 124 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 1 sh*t... a) I didn't expect him picking up some of the troops from Diego Garcia to throw them onto Addu immedietely (fault number one, have you never heard about the fantasy amphib bonus feature in this game?) and b) while not expecting this to happen straight away, I didn't check if Addu would be an atoll that triggers a shock attack, which means I don't have time in between the enemy invasion and the first attack to move out my search aircraft... same as on Diego Garcia when I expected only a raiding SAG I lose aircraft on the ground... silly me... 1300 Allied soldiers manage to kill a single enemy squad at least, I expected no enemy KIA... If anyone brings up a discussion about this being an Allied Edition again I seriously will ask him/her if he/she is braindead, the amphib bonus enabling the Japanese to take 2/3 of the map in the first 2 months is enough of an argument... Assaulting units: 1st Raiding Rgt /2 Defending units: Addu RN Base Force
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