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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/19/2012 2:47:24 AM   
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What else could anyone want?


Strategic planning? Are you in the right AAR?


Now, now, let's not sell ourselves short. We utilize the most modern theorems of mathematics to plan our operations. For example, there is this Baynesian analysis of amphbious landing optimization:


D(1)=C(0)+T(0,1)

where D(1)=D Day

C(0)=Current calender date

T(0,1)=Time, in days, required for travel from position on T(0) to position on T(1).*


* NOTE: This only works if the solution, D(1) is less than or equal to number of calender days in the current calender month. We are working on the general theory right now and will let you know when we have it worked out.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/19/2012 4:47:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: sprior

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What else could anyone want?


Strategic planning? Are you in the right AAR?


Now, now, let's not sell ourselves short. We utilize the most modern theorems of mathematics to plan our operations. For example, there is this Baynesian analysis of amphbious landing optimization:

D(1)=C(0)+T(0,1)

where D(1)=D Day

C(0)=Current calender date

T(0,1)=Time, in days, required for travel from position on T(0) to position on T(1).*

* NOTE: This only works if the solution, D(1) is less than or equal to number of calender days in the current calender month. We are working on the general theory right now and will let you know when we have it worked out.


Hmmm: Nice mathematical treatment, but as I recall, a highly successful non-quantitative approach is: "Get there firstest with the mostest." (Nathan Bedford Forrest)

Hey! It's at least worth trying!!!!

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/19/2012 9:34:06 PM   
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Air Liason, SWPAC:...what exactly do you mean, "90 experience"?

Young man in fine linen slacks: Take, for example, the most skilled pilot in your command.

Air Liason, SWPAC: Very well. I'm listening.

Young man in fine linen slacks: Now, take that skilled veteran and give him 50 more missions against skilled opponents. THAT is a "90 experience" pilot.

Air Liason, SWPAC: How many are we talking about?

Young man in fine linen slacks: That depends on the contract, of course, but potentially........hundreds.

Air Liason, SWPAC: Hundreds? Where do you propose to find all these exceptional flyboys?

Young man in fine linen slacks: Germany.

Air Liason, SWPAC: Did you just say Germany?.......

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/19/2012 9:42:44 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/20/2012 1:52:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

******************SWPAC HQ, Brisbane, Dec. 10, 1942(c)*****************


Air Liason, SWPAC:...what exactly do you mean, "90 experience"?

Young man in fine linen slacks: Take, for example, the most skilled pilot in your command.

Air Liason, SWPAC: Very well. I'm listening.

Young man in fine linen slacks: Now, take that skilled veteran and give him 50 more missions against skilled opponents. THAT is a "90 experience" pilot.

Air Liason, SWPAC: How many are we talking about?

Young man in fine linen slacks: That depends on the contract, of course, but potentially........hundreds.

Air Liason, SWPAC: Hundreds? Where do you propose to find all these exceptional flyboys?

Young man in fine linen slacks: Germany.

Air Liason, SWPAC: Did you just say Germany?.......

Don't forget to get some german advisors to the Chinese too. 99 Exp units would be nice ... on the other hand, maybe that's where & how the Braun family managed to sneak into your neighbourhood?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/20/2012 8:54:04 AM   
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Nice cross post reference....



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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/20/2012 9:27:04 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/20/2012 1:25:30 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 1:06:51 AM   
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Dobo: More LYB troops and suppries unroading. There are now 20K LYB's there. A flotilla of PT boats arrive after daybreak and scare off a large amphbious taffy. JJ has bombers both at Ambon and at Sorong (Sallys and Helens). They attack the ground units there and we attack theirs with B-17's and B-25's. The LYB's do not attack on the ground....yet.


PH: JJ raids PH again at night to try to stop our AK's from unloading.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 57,129, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Keiko Maru, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-66
PT-67
PT-68
PT-74
PT-76
PT-77

Then the cruisers show up and chase off our PT boats. The Allied DD force that was on station has gone back for torps and ammo after the fight the night before. Evidently the cruisers turned aroudn as well.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 57,129, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Furutaka
CL Isuzu
CL Kuma
DD Hayashio
DD Tanikaze
DD Hibiki
DD Shikinami

Allied Ships
PT-66
PT-67, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT-68
PT-74
PT-76

Then Ipswitch expends life number 8 fending off an APD.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 57,129, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Kikuzuki

Allied Ships
AM Ipswitch
xAK Beltana

When the sun comes up the Bettys come back and take number 9

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
G4M1 Betty x 7



Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 2
P-38G Lightning x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AM Ipswitch, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Poor Ipswitch, they should have gone to get those beers that were promised them.



Moderately effective Allied ground attacks at PH. JJ does not attack on the ground. Supply is improved and the Allied grounds units are slowly recovering.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 4:36:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Moderately effective Allied ground attacks at PH. JJ does not attack on the ground. Supply is improved and the Allied grounds units are slowly recovering.


I wonder if, IRL, an AM has a deep enough draft to be hit by a torpedo? Maybe it was set off by the fishing tackle the crew were using, heavy downrigger weights and all that.

Re: the units at PH starting to recover and getting supply, this is the first clear sign that you will win that battle without having to beat a retreat first. The pressure you put on at Dobo diverted his strikes on your PH troops, just as you expected.
Bravo!

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 4:39:53 AM   
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Re: the units at PH starting to recover and getting supply, this is the first clear sign that you will win that battle without having to beat a retreat first. The pressure you put on at Dobo diverted his strikes on your PH troops, just as you expected.


Yes. One of my favorite quotes is Einstein's, "Serendipity favors the prepared mind." I wonder how the Allies pulled that off in this case?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 7:37:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Re: the units at PH starting to recover and getting supply, this is the first clear sign that you will win that battle without having to beat a retreat first. The pressure you put on at Dobo diverted his strikes on your PH troops, just as you expected.


Yes. One of my favorite quotes is Einstein's, "Serendipity favors the prepared mind." I wonder how the Allies pulled that off in this case?

M&M Enterprises is prepared for any eventuality - and opportunity. It appears our two Admirals [one Lordly, one not so much] have contracted out the strategy and planning portions of the game so they could get on with writing the AAR.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 11:12:36 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 2:46:06 PM   
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Anyone see my car keys?

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 2:54:09 PM   
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Fleet Admiral Mandrake:..I wonder if we put some troops ashore on Taberfane, do our boys on Dobo have a route of...advance....in case we have to....redeploy?

Really hot Tahitian girl (I mean assistant) with an uncharacteristically large bosom: Admiral, hon, we can find out just by typing it in over here this really flat typewriter thingy with the TV.

Fleet Admiral Mandrake: Did you say TV? By ra way, my Mai Tai needs freshening up.....

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 3:40:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
good committee work.


An oxymoron.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 3:42:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

********FOB Mait Tai, Papaete, Dec. 11, 1942(c)*********


Fleet Admiral Mandrake:..I wonder if we put some troops ashore on Taberfane, do our boys on Dobo have a route of...advance....in case we have to....redeploy?

Really hot Tahitian girl (I mean assistant) with an uncharacteristically large bosom: Admiral, hon, we can find out just by typing it in over here this really flat typewriter thingy with the TV.

Fleet Admiral Mandrake: Did you say TV? By ra way, my Mai Tai needs freshening up.....


Don't forget to periodically scrape off the 'whiteout' from the screen. The really hot Tahitian girl (I mean assistant) put it there for the typos.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 5:43:11 PM   
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Good thing they don't have to retreat first too- they've come in by sea so that's the only way out.

No worries, Mate! I heard they have a squad with a ten-ass [or burro if you prefer to maintain the PC style of this AAR ] team of supplies following the meandering prospector's trail from Carnarvon to Corunna Downs to open a path for resupply or "redeployment to the rear".

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 6:02:05 PM   
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It goes without saying that all good outcomes for us have been exquisitely planned and are the fruition of months of foundation-building, leadership and good committee work.


The converse is equally true; all bad outcomes are because the combat model is borked.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 6:03:52 PM   
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I wonder how the Allies pulled that off in this case?


He didn't say prepared with or for what.

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 8:59:21 PM   
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I wonder how the Allies pulled that off in this case?


He didn't say prepared with or for what.

Prepared with a good belt of Tobermoray Scotch and years of thinking outside the box ... okay, right off the wall and around the bend!

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 9:12:09 PM   
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Tobermoray Scotch


I'm a Highland Park man myself.




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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/21/2012 11:29:24 PM   
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We prefer a splash over ice (hard to find in this tropical paradise) with a drop of lime.









ps. It might be why we are still at Ndeni!

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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 12:27:56 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 12:47:06 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 3:50:23 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 7:11:55 AM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 3:07:57 PM   
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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 4:44:25 PM   
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Oh, oh, I want to play. This is my fav (although I do like Highland Park, esp the 18 year).





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RE: With the Wren Detachment - 3/22/2012 5:15:48 PM   
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