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[Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/27/2012 3:12:36 PM

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About the Game

Allies: Marbakka (me!)
Japan: Texas_D
Scenario 2
1 Turn = 1 Day
House Rules:

Allies only move Chinese troops and existent TFs on turn 1 / Japan does not hunt for carriers on turn 1 or 2
No strategic bombing in China for the duration of the war
No aircraft above 25000
PP must be paid to move out of restricted areas
No Thai troops to pass more than 3 hexes from their border
Landings at bases only

About Me

I'm as green as can be. I picked up the game on Texas_D's recommendation a few weeks ago. I've gone about a month into an AI game, played the Coral Sea and Guadalcanal scenarios a couple of times, and slogged my way through most of the manual (still going), but that is about the extent of my experience with WitP. I love strategy games and history, so I forsee a long relationship with this game.

About This AAR

As I have slowly learned the basics of the game, the AARs on this forum have been tremendously helpful. However, I'm one of those people who learns best by getting in and doing it. My hope is that you more experienced folks can watch over my shoulder and tell me when I'm blundering.

I had thought to do a bit of creative writing in this AAR in the form of "letters" written home, but I decided against it for the time being because this first PBEM game needs to be about learning more than entertaining you folks. Maybe at some point in the future I'll join the ranks of "AAR Authors."

I will include a running timeline/summary in the second post of this thread (EDIT: Decided not to bother with this. The thread itself is a running timeline). I will also do my best to provide maps and screenshots to help you see what I'm seeing.

Texas_D has agreed not to read this AAR. Please respect his desire to play fair and don't go blabbing to him what you read in this thread. Thank you!

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/27/2012 3:12:55 PM

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/28/2012 6:00:50 AM

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Orders Summary - December 7, 1941
(as per the HR, I was only permitted to submit orders for China and preexisting TFs)

China
- All AGs stood down. Will begin training in a day or two when they have repaired their hang-gliders or whatever those things are.
- Any LCU not on the front is in Rest/Training mode
- All troops in the "bulge" (area in danger of being cut off near Chuhsien) have been ordered to withdraw to Kanhsien from whence they will probably continue to Kukong or Changsha. No need to have them sit out there cutoff.
- Ordered attack on Ichang
- Ordered withdrawal from Chengchow to regroup in Loyang
- 8th Army "rebuilt" in the north near Yenan
- Changsha is building fortifications I believe.

Indian Theater
- 251st RecceBn/53rd,54th, and 55th British Bde were on a TF headed for Singapore or something dumb. Sent them to Colombo where they will stay until I know if they will be needed in India or Australia
- 44th/45th Indian diverted to Chittagong to form part of India's first line of defense
- 48th Gurkha Bg diverted to Chittagong
- 46th Indian diverted to Trincomalee where they will spend their time training and wondering if they are going to be sent to Chittagong or Perth

CENPAC
- Lots of Sub patrols set
- Lexington is NE of Wake a ways and the Vindicators were moved to Wake. She'll stay in the area for a week or so and then probably head NE until I figure out what the KB is up to.
- Enterprise is NW of Midway out of the way of the PH submarine festival but close enough to assist at Wake should IJ attack

Other
- Force Z + CL Danae sent to Java
- Houston and Boise to meet up and flee the PI toward Java
- CA Canberra and CL Perth will join Adeilade at Rabaul to cover the withdrawal of troops starting next turn.

Waiting to see the damage from day 1 and then it'll be time to dig into the big turn.

NOTE: Because this is a restart due to a Japanese screw up, Texas_D vowed not to change his opening objectives (attack on Manila/CF rather than PH). That is why I'm a bit lazy with the carriers at the moment.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/28/2012 6:14:40 AM

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Opening Strategies

- In China: consolidation, training, and limited offense
- In Burma: a speedbump at Pegu and Rangoon withdrawing to the CDL
- In India: an initial defense at the Chittagong Defense Line (CDL) with a fighting retreat toward Bombay, Ceylon to serve as staging area for reinforcements and naval activities
- In DEI: I'm going to try a 'Fortress Palembang' tactic if he gives me time to get some troops over there
- In Australia: fortifying Perth, making a stand at PM
- In Pacific/WC: PH is going to be focused on ASW for a bit but preparing to defend Midway, CVs to focus north unless KB heads up there

To Be Determined
- Do I use Suva as my link between WC and Australia or one of the alternatives (e.g., Pago Pago or Tahiti)?
- What do I do with these CVs during the opening year or so when I can't really use them anywhere close to the KB? Currently, I hope to use them to fend of any tomfoolery in the Aleutians but beyond that I'm a bit lost (being a newb and all)
- What is his main objective? India? Australia? PH? He jokes about attacking the WC but my suspicion is that he is going to try India. He has mentioned that he went for Australia in a past game (taking NZ in the process). We shall see.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/28/2012 12:08:50 PM

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Did you think about transferring the Wildcats at Wake to one of the carriers. It's only part of the squadron with a fragment at Pearl, I believe, but Putnam's squad is one of the best trained in the US arsenal at game start and a real shame to lose them outright when they can be used to supplement the fighter strength on the US carriers that start with understrength air complements.

Many experienced players advocate supplementing the understrength CV fighter complements with Marine squadrons. I do it for every one of my carriers and keep the marine squadrons aboard until the CV fighter squadrons expand to a size of 36.

The detriment for the Marine squadrons being only carrier capable instead of carrier trained is negligible and they become carrier trained after about 3 months of operations.

I like using Palmyra as a CV base. You can move to interedict an invasion of Baker/Canton if it comes without carrier air cover and are still close enough to react to a move at Pearl or even Midway of you are willing to make a high speed run to get there. I move support ships to Palmyra and Pago Pago as quickly as possible. AE, AKE, AD and especially AOs as both ports are too small at start to allow the carriers to refuel there. I then typically station one CV at Pearl, Two at Palmyra or vice versa and one at Pago Pago. Also station light SAGs at Palmyra and Pago Pago. Put CAs into them if any are available but even a CL and two DDs can wreak havoc on lighly escorted invasion forces that range beyond Japanese LBA and come without carrier escort. Once the 5th CV enters I like to station one at Sydney to support operations at PM.

As for the Aluetions occupy and build up Adak as quickly as possible. It is the dominant base in the island chain. Get air cover and a light SAG there as quickly as possible.

There are two at start transport convoys being escorted by CAs. One is empty enroute back to Pearl and the other is loaded with SWPac base units and artillery headed to Suva. You can strip the CAs from those TFs and get them to Tarawa in time to intervene there if the Japanese make an early move on it. You can also divert the one with the SWPac units to PM to get an early start on building it up if you indeed plan to make a fight for it.

Allied flying boats are extremely useful for evacuating tiny outlying garrisons like Rabaul and Kavieng. Also very useful for consolidating Dutch forces that can't be transferred between the Dutch islands by ship due to their restricted HQ status. Remember that air transport doesn't have to be in the hex with the units they are transporting they can be in the hex you want to transport to instead of from. Set them to air transport, choose the destination hex and then the normally greyed out selection of "pick up troops" becomes active, choose it next and viola, you will be picking up troops from that locale.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/28/2012 2:37:30 PM

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I agree with the strategy to transfer Wake's fighter det. to a carrier. Some players transfer the nearly useless Devastator torpedo bombers to Wake or Midway where they have a better chance of doing some good by hitting transports during landings than trying to hit fast moving warships at sea. I don't know if there are torps available at these two bases but I think Devastators can carry bombs too. The other benefit is that they will not be using up you carrier's operations cycles [i.e. the 414 for Lex and around 357 for Enterprise]. This means more sorties by your fighters and SBDs before you have to return to base to reload.

Re: how to use your carriers - the strategy seems simple enough: find out where KB is and use your carriers where they ain't! Even small nuisance raids on his outlying bases [like Halsey's carrier/CA bombardment raid on Marcus Is.] are important for gaining pilot and ship's crew experience. This also forces him to disperse his assets around his bloated perimeter making your future counterinvasions easier. So for the first few days, if you are not going to join Big E up with Lex, consider a cruise along the Kuriles from E to W [so you can retreat before he puts Betties/Nells on some of the islands].

HB gave good advice about Adak and to make LOC shorter, develop Prince Rupert on the Canadian coast. It has a small shipyard, can go to a size 9 port, and the rail link means it can get unlimited supply and fuel for your convoys to deliver. I strip all the Canada Command base forces and Regiments with engineers and send them to PR to speed up the development. Move as many Canadian aircraft and small warships as you can there and train/use them in ASW. Mine the port.

EDIT - An additional point re: China. Complete lack of vehicles in the Chinese units means IJA units move about 3 times faster and tank units move 4 or 5 times faster. You must factor that into your planning so you start your retreat/ambush movements much earlier than you do elsewhere.

Good luck!

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 5:09:35 AM

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December 7, 1941 Report

Philippines
- Japan Attacks!! KB and mini-KB attack PI. His initial attack was not nearly as successful as "radio chatter" would indicate (I talk to Texas_D on Teamspeak frequently and when you see me refer to "radio chatter" it is his banter/smack-talk on there that I refer to). I am not foolish enough to think that because he didn't attack PH on the first turn, he won't turn and press hard into the Pacific. In fact, his bombing of Guam (see below) and SigInt may indicate that he plans to shift the KB east now that the initial attack is complete.
- A total of 25 ships were sunk today. Of those, 4 were S-Class subs and 10 were fleet subs (all based in Manila). Several of the ships sunk were PTs, and they seem to have padded the numbers a bit in my favor. In addition to ships sunk, we have 10 damaged subs but none of them are on fire and several may be able to take to sea in short order. AO Trinity has only 10 SYS damage and DD Pillsbury shows only 28/7/2/0. Most important (in my newbish mind) is that none of the AS took hits. I think I came off very good overall. Some will be sunk by further raids, but a good number of my subs will be leaving port in the night without so much as a scratch.
- CA Houston and CL Boise have met and are headed SW toward friendly SAGs
- Troops landed at four points and captured Aparri and Cabanatuan. Reports indicate that the landing at Atimonan consists of 12 units (7360 troops, 61 guns, 182 AFVs).

CENPAC
- AG Antares was attacked by a submarine and sunk just north of Pearl Harbor. It was foolish and lazy of me to send her toward Midway without and escort and when I knew full well that there were subs about. I have no idea what I was thinking.
- A mini-sub scored a hit on the BB Tennessee. The damage was moderate and should take less than a week to patch up.
- Guam suffered a bomber raid destroying a number of my aircraft on the ground. This annoyed me a bit because I lost 3 of the Vindicators that I transferred from CV Lexington. I fear that the KB will be turning east from PI and supporting a quick landing at Wake.

DEI
- Landings at Singkawang, Manado, and Ternate.

Malaya
- The usual bombings and landing at Kota Bharu.
- I did sink one of his APD at Kota Bharu (according to reports)

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 5:11:27 AM

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Japan pushes into the Eastern DEI area.

I have a number of SAGs in the area, and I confess I'm tempted, but the KB is somewhere in the Philippines Sea and if they head SW to support these landings, it would be a big loss for me!

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 5:16:44 AM

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One of the things that I want to accomplish by taking the time with this AAR is to get some help learning to decipher the SigInt. A lot of it is "greek to me" because I'm very unfamiliar with the Japanese troop structure. This makes spotting major buildups a bit of a challenge to me. I'll try to always post the SigInt and get your thoughts.

Of note:
- Guam is on his hitlist. No surprise really, and my CVs are headed in that direction, but the threat of the KB coming east to assist has me jittery
- Singkawang is going to be a thorn in my side in DEI. I'd use everything I had to bomb that runway out of existence but "everything I have" right now amounts to little.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 5:46:14 AM

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My take on SIGINT, YMMV

Heavy volume of radio transmissions detected/Radio transmissions detected - usually means a bunch of ships in transit, intel like this is useful if you find they come from somewhere on the map where you didn't expect traffic to be. Some enterprising players will vector subs or ships into the area to see if they get lucky. IIRC, I believe you can get false signals as well.

Loaded on ship - At the start of the war this can tell you where to place your subs in ambush, as the war progresses you'll get fewer of these but they'll still be useful because if they happen often enough they might paint a picture of where your opponent's busier bases are and there's lots you can do with that kind of info.

Planning for an attack - Knowing the Allied player gets significant SIGINT some players will deliberately set false targets in order to confuse or mislead you so while info like this will show the general direction of the Japanese advance do keep in mind the possibility of a smoke screen.

Unit location - This one's useful over time as you build a picture of the enemy ORBAT.

Some others you will see
Aircraft count/ship count/troop count - Again useful intel if combined with other sources
Moving to - will ID a ship and type and destination.

Rooting for the new guy, the ride will be a wild one, buckle up and hunker down for an epic ride.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 6:38:29 AM

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Further to what Arnhem said, I have found that cross - referencing the locations in the SIGINT report to the sightings and radio detections in the Op Report can help sort out which are false and which are genuine detections. Air patrols are notorious for reporting ships and subs where there are none, but if you also have a hit from the SIGINT report for the same hex or very close to it, there is probably some truth to it. This is especially helpful in routing ships around likely sub locations.
Unfortunately there is no substitute for labouriously compiling the data over time and reviewing to see what is consistent and what appears to be duff gen.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 11:48:25 AM

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A couple of observations for you.

If your navy in the PI is under siege and essentially all escape routes are cut off and you don't sorty your PTs to bases outside Manila to have them in position to make runs on enemy landing sites (Iba is good for hitting the NW coast landing sites and Tacloban is good for hitting the SE coast landing sites) and your PTs are simply going to go down with the rest of the trapped navy always remember that your PTs can be magically transported away by "returning them to the pool".

If Tennessee was in port at Pearl when it got hit by the midget sub don't forget to put an ASW TF in the port with a one hex patrol zone of the port itself. I also like to station an AMc TF in my ports to deal with sub laid minefields. The AMc's also have an ASW capability although they can't be placed in ASW TFs. So they wll also attack back against any sub that encounters them while trying to sneak into your harbors. Multiple layers of port defense is the best way to counter sneak attacks on your ports.

I also always sorty the British MTBs from Hong Kong to Iba to get them out of HK and into the fray at the PI landing sites.

Looking at your Celebes/Moluccas situation I see your Dutch TF a little out of position to react. I almost always get a Ducth SAG into Ambon as quickly as possible so it's in position to make a run on Ternate.

I hope I'm not coming across as overbearing or overly critical, but since you stated that you are a green as can be I thought I would offer as much advice as possible based on my own experiences.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 2:52:13 PM

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Some good advise here. I will be following and may add my 2 cents also. Have fun with the game.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 3:24:31 PM

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quote:

Looking at your Celebes/Moluccas situation I see your Dutch TF a little out of position to react. I almost always get a Ducth SAG into Ambon as quickly as possible so it's in position to make a run on Ternate.

The Dutch SAG in the south is headed to Ambon if I recall correctly. I may have forgotten to turn off the retirement, though. I'll look into it.

quote:

I hope I'm not coming across as overbearing or overly critical, but since you stated that you are a green as can be I thought I would offer as much advice as possible based on my own experiences.

Not at all! I appreciate the advice.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 3:39:43 PM

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(since this is the "big turn" and it will take me a while to complete it, I'm going to post order summaries on here as I'm going so folks can comment on them or stop my insanity before I submit them if need be)

Order Summary - December 8, 1941 (Russia, China, Burma)

Russia
- All AGs set to training 100% and range 0 (I heard somewhere that setting range to 0 was good, but I'm not sure why. Comments?
- Most LCUs set to rest/training except for ENGs and some CDs
- Many bases set to expand

China
- Not a ton to do here since I was able to slog through it on the first day.
- Some AGs that were stood down for repairs were set to training 100%
- The AGs in Changsha have all been assigned sorties for this turn - mostly recon and ground attack missions in support of the Inchang offensive.
- I don't see any reason to keep the DC2s in China (or at least not exclusively). I'm going to pay the PP necessary to get them down to Palembang for the build up. If they are needed in China after that, then I can move them back, but China is very low on my priorities right now.

Burma
- The plan here is a stand at Pegu/Rangoon followed by a withdrawal to the CDL in India. I need more time to build up defenses in India though.
- Most ENGs to Rangoon. Most INF/ART to Pegu. I believe both are building fortifications.
- Two squadrons of AVG were moved to Rangoon. One will remain there as CAP. The other is on its way to Palembang for death and glory. The third AVG squadron is headed to Changsha for death and rice.
- Mandalay is fortifying and a unit or two of troops are headed there instead of Pegu.

More orders coming as I get through them. Up next: Malaya and India

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 5:36:29 PM

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Order Summary - December 8, 1941 (Malaya & India)

Malaya
- All AGs moved to Singapore except from George Town where they will fly CAP while I try to get ships and possibly troops out.
- All LCUs not at the three southernmost bases are ordered to proceed there at once. Kota Bharu is already under attack, so I'll let those guys have their fun.
- The elements of the 8AUS Div at Mersing and Johore Bahru are ordered to Singapore where they will be waving goodbye and heading home
- Very little naval activity aside from some ASW work to get rid of the enemy sub right outside the port.
- Ordered heavy naval searches and some recon of Singkawang. Currently, there are reports of a SAG there containing 3 BBs and 4 CLs. Not good when Force Z is steaming southward not 5 hexes away. I will NOT be sending Force Z over to interrupt that landing this time

India
- Lots of rest/training
- Moved a number of INF and ENG troops to the CDL (bearing in mind required garrison levels). Lots of troops due to arrive in Chittagong by sea within the week.
- Most AGs are set to train
- RN units are restationed at Trincomalee which will serve as my RN base for now. CL Capetown is ordered to Colombo for relatively minor repairs.
- Most AK types have been sent to Colombo or Cape Town. All TKs have been sent to Abadan. APs have been split between Cape Town and Aden
- Fortifications being built along the CDL, the SE coast of India, and Ceylon. ENGs transferred when needed.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 6:41:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: marbakka

(since this is the "big turn" and it will take me a while to complete it, I'm going to post order summaries on here as I'm going so folks can comment on them or stop my insanity before I submit them if need be)

Order Summary - December 8, 1941 (Russia, China, Burma)

Russia
- All AGs set to training 100% and range 0 (I heard somewhere that setting range to 0 was good, but I'm not sure why. Comments?
- Most LCUs set to rest/training except for ENGs and some CDs
- Many bases set to expand

China
- Not a ton to do here since I was able to slog through it on the first day.
- Some AGs that were stood down for repairs were set to training 100%
- The AGs in Changsha have all been assigned sorties for this turn - mostly recon and ground attack missions in support of the Inchang offensive.
- I don't see any reason to keep the DC2s in China (or at least not exclusively). I'm going to pay the PP necessary to get them down to Palembang for the build up. If they are needed in China after that, then I can move them back, but China is very low on my priorities right now.

Burma
- The plan here is a stand at Pegu/Rangoon followed by a withdrawal to the CDL in India. I need more time to build up defenses in India though.
- Most ENGs to Rangoon. Most INF/ART to Pegu. I believe both are building fortifications.
- Two squadrons of AVG were moved to Rangoon. One will remain there as CAP. The other is on its way to Palembang for death and glory. The third AVG squadron is headed to Changsha for death and rice.
- Mandalay is fortifying and a unit or two of troops are headed there instead of Pegu.

More orders coming as I get through them. Up next: Malaya and India

Re: the 0 range for training your air groups - this reduces fatigue and allows you to set a higher training level for the unit. Note that 100% training may or may not be sustainable - it seems to cause no fatigue to some units at some key bases but other units still accumulate fatigue. At other bases, all units are heavily fatigued by 100% training. Base airport size and overall size and aviation support make a difference. You have to monitor for a while to see where you have problems. Fatigue leads to training accidents and loss of aircraft and sometimes pilots. I try to keep fatigue levels below 10% for training.
Re: Burma - typically there are major thrusts by the IJA from the area around Chiang Mai [rail terminus] toward the upper Burma valley at Mandalay and Schwebo, along with landings at Cox's Bazar or the base south of it. This cuts off Rangoon rather quickly unless you can really delay the overland thrust in the rough terrain hexes. Keep in mind that the IJA units have more vehicles than you and, in clear terrain, can move about 2X faster than your British units and 3X faster than Chinese units. You need to be careful about waiting too long to pull back or sending a lot of units forward that might be trapped. If you intend to make a "Fortress Rangoon", sock as much supply in there as you can now, before his fleet can interfere with it. You WILL have torpedo bombers coming out of northern Thailand that can reach Rangoon, so put fighters [besides the AVG] in there. Your initial deployments look good.
Re: the AVG in Changsha - Japanese bombers can concentrate and bomb your airports to unusable state in short order. It is best to keep moving the AVG around so it is not destroyed on an out-of-service airfield. If the airfield at Changsha is shut down, you can rail the unit to the point where the railway is cut by the IJA advance. If you do not have a base unit there you cannot repair the damaged aircraft. Most players seem to keep the AVG at Chungking and send it out to other bases on occasion to hit Japanese bombers when they are poorly escorted.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 7:08:23 PM

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Order Summary - December 8, 1941 (Malaya & India)

Malaya
- All AGs moved to Singapore except from George Town where they will fly CAP while I try to get ships and possibly troops out.
- All LCUs not at the three southernmost bases are ordered to proceed there at once. Kota Bharu is already under attack, so I'll let those guys have their fun.
- The elements of the 8AUS Div at Mersing and Johore Bahru are ordered to Singapore where they will be waving goodbye and heading home
- Very little naval activity aside from some ASW work to get rid of the enemy sub right outside the port.
- Ordered heavy naval searches and some recon of Singkawang. Currently, there are reports of a SAG there containing 3 BBs and 4 CLs. Not good when Force Z is steaming southward not 5 hexes away. I will NOT be sending Force Z over to interrupt that landing this time

India
- Lots of rest/training
- Moved a number of INF and ENG troops to the CDL (bearing in mind required garrison levels). Lots of troops due to arrive in Chittagong by sea within the week.
- Most AGs are set to train
- RN units are restationed at Trincomalee which will serve as my RN base for now. CL Capetown is ordered to Colombo for relatively minor repairs.
- Most AK types have been sent to Colombo or Cape Town. All TKs have been sent to Abadan. APs have been split between Cape Town and Aden
- Fortifications being built along the CDL, the SE coast of India, and Ceylon. ENGs transferred when needed.

Re:Singkawang - you are right not to take on the Japanese BBs at this stage. I did it, thinking that the British were skilled night fighters and PoW was a new, radar equipped ship so they would have an advantage. Well Japanese lookouts spotted Force Z before Allied radar did them, then they landed a few quick hits on PoW and Repulse that caused small fires. After that they were easy targets for Nagato's 16" guns which consistently got penetrating hits while Force Z scored few hits that usually did not penetrate. A few long lance torps sealed the deal and Force Z was no more.

I think a couple of damaged DDs escaped.
Re: India garrisons - You can gather up significant forces [2-300 AV IIR] to send to Calcutta/Chittagong by optimizing the garrison unit AV to the requirement. This entails quite a bit of strat moving units around but is worth it. You need to list all the bases that need garrisons and note their current garrison and experience level and whether they are fixed in place or movable. Then review all the units in India and begin selecting units to go where there is the biggest mis-match between garrison requirement and current movable garrison. Strat move the units in, and consider using the freed-up unit to replace another garrison or move to Calcutta for training or to Kohima/Imphal [historic LOR from which the allies defeated the Japanese] area to build forts and bases. Keep this leapfrogging going until all those rear bases have tied up as few AV as necessary. Keep in mind that political points will be very sparse so you will not be able to move many large units out of India for some time.
Re: APs/AKs at Capetown and Aden - IIR you do get some reinforcements at both bases early on but soon Aden gets much more than CT. Review your "Ground unit reinforcement schedule" in the Intel screen to get a feel for where you need the most APs. Some of the xAKs will be useful for bringing air unit reinforcements from Aden, so look at that schedule too.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 7:20:27 PM

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Re: the AVG in Changsha

Very good advice from BBfanboy on the AVG. I might add to never put a single squadron of them on an airbase that's not on a railine in Burma. The IJ can pummel the airbase and your damaged/maintenance planes will never escape. At an airbase on the rail, your damaged planes can escape by rail.

Something I mentioned in another thread......comb every port that isn't a supply/fuel source and get every last long legged xAK headed back to the supply/fuel sources as quickly as possible. There are tons of them in just about every Indian port and also in Melbourne and Sydney.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 8:42:03 PM

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Something I mentioned in another thread......comb every port that isn't a supply/fuel source and get every last long legged xAK headed back to the supply/fuel sources as quickly as possible. There are tons of them in just about every Indian port and also in Melbourne and Sydney.

Ugh...I spent the better part of my morning doing that!

I'll keep the AVG+rail thing in mind as well. I like those guys and don't want to lose them

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/29/2012 8:47:53 PM

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Re: Burma - typically there are major thrusts by the IJA from the area around Chiang Mai [rail terminus] toward the upper Burma valley at Mandalay and Schwebo, along with landings at Cox's Bazar or the base south of it. This cuts off Rangoon rather quickly unless you can really delay the overland thrust in the rough terrain hexes. Keep in mind that the IJA units have more vehicles than you and, in clear terrain, can move about 2X faster than your British units and 3X faster than Chinese units. You need to be careful about waiting too long to pull back or sending a lot of units forward that might be trapped. If you intend to make a "Fortress Rangoon", sock as much supply in there as you can now, before his fleet can interfere with it. You WILL have torpedo bombers coming out of northern Thailand that can reach Rangoon, so put fighters [besides the AVG] in there. Your initial deployments look good.

Hrm. I may need to rethink my Burma strategy then. As it is, there will be a very large INF force in Pegu which will retreat back to Rangoon where the ENGs are assembled. Other than that, there is a medium size force in Mandalay and I think a single unit that is in Lashio. From what you're telling me, that sounds like a recipe for lots of troops getting trapped in Rangoon.

Would a better alternative be to spread the troops along a line like Pegu->Toungoo->Taung Gyi->Lashio? Those are all rough terrain bases for what that's worth. I'd hate to give up Rangoon without much of a fight, but I'd also hate to watch the slow painful death of thousands of troops down there.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 1:39:31 AM

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Oh, there you are. I went looking for your AAR and found it adrift somewhere in the middle of Sargasso Sea aswarm with pirates, knaves, mermaids and other undesirables. Glad I found your new boat....but, wait, it too is aswarm with advisors, rules lawyers, militarist and other well, okay, they are undesirables.

Good luck...and since he is the guy with all the experience, should Johnny Jap botch his production again, accept his full and unconditional surrender with good grace:(.

You are getting a great deal of good advice from multiple sources with excellent pedigrees. I know it is a lot to digest, but take heed. This isn't the first rodeo for all of them.

Are you aware of how training pilots works? This is important as it must begin immediately and, despite being a thorough pain in the posterior, it is essential to victory. You may not have had any time to look it over, but the essential thing is to get those pilots into immediate crash (bad choice of words, that) courses on training. I typically put my guys at 100%, choose a meaningful altitude, 0 range and let them stew for a week at a time. After they reach the toasty level I desire, I shift them into RESERVE...NOT GROUP, 5 at a time. Then, I start redeploying them from RESERVE to the front line squadrons until I have those squadrons full of fairly well trained and veteran pilots. Works well for me, but it typically takes a couple of months to get the initial group of pilots to just the right level. Ignore this at your considerable risk. This is particularly true in Scen 2 wherein the Little Yellow Bastards (LYB) will typically have a stronger AF than you. Oh well, you wanted the challenge.

I'm gald you heeded the advise of your advisors to avoid the temptation to hit the LYB landing force at Singawang.....it is a likely death trap as BBfanboy noted. However, your heart is in the right place. It is GOOD to use your cruisers and even the Force Z fast BBs to hit landing forces now and again early in the game. This creates a mindset wherein the LYBs feel they must escort EVERYTHING to avoid the Imperialisti, running dog, colonial navy. Good for you...that causes a define slow down in his advance. Time is what you need to win in the first 3 months. Some, do not tarry if one of his tenacles reaches a bit too far...make him a 7 tenacle octopus ASAP and then repeat. As an example, he is reaching for Tenate and Manado currently. You cannot reach them now, but if you had cruisers at Koepang/Balikpapan, that would be an ideal tenacle to smack. Even if you lose some ships doing this, it achieves the goal of making him more cautious...and that can be his undoing early in the game. Soon, you'll find him escorting relatively small invasion TFs with the KB. If that happens, you have clearly won round 1 of psychwar

In playing this aspect of the game it is of immeasurable value to know where KB is (little KB isn't all that dangerous for large ships at sea unless he combines with Land based torpedo toters. So do all you can to detect the KB menace.

Good luck. Hope some of this helps.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 1:42:32 AM

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End of1st paragraph above..that is supposed to say.."they are NOT undesirables". Sorry, fellow travelers.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 5:09:12 AM

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Re: Burma - typically there are major thrusts by the IJA from the area around Chiang Mai [rail terminus] toward the upper Burma valley at Mandalay and Schwebo, along with landings at Cox's Bazar or the base south of it. This cuts off Rangoon rather quickly unless you can really delay the overland thrust in the rough terrain hexes. Keep in mind that the IJA units have more vehicles than you and, in clear terrain, can move about 2X faster than your British units and 3X faster than Chinese units. You need to be careful about waiting too long to pull back or sending a lot of units forward that might be trapped. If you intend to make a "Fortress Rangoon", sock as much supply in there as you can now, before his fleet can interfere with it. You WILL have torpedo bombers coming out of northern Thailand that can reach Rangoon, so put fighters [besides the AVG] in there. Your initial deployments look good.

Hrm. I may need to rethink my Burma strategy then. As it is, there will be a very large INF force in Pegu which will retreat back to Rangoon where the ENGs are assembled. Other than that, there is a medium size force in Mandalay and I think a single unit that is in Lashio. From what you're telling me, that sounds like a recipe for lots of troops getting trapped in Rangoon.

Would a better alternative be to spread the troops along a line like Pegu->Toungoo->Taung Gyi->Lashio? Those are all rough terrain bases for what that's worth. I'd hate to give up Rangoon without much of a fight, but I'd also hate to watch the slow painful death of thousands of troops down there.

It depends very much on how big and how soon he goes after Burma. If he concentrates on DEI/PI/China initially he will not have many divisions to move into Burma and you can establish your line and bring up some unrestricted units from India. If he starts out going for Malaya/Singapore/N. Sumatra to open the strait of Malacca and you see naval units moving into the Bay of Bengal, move all shipping back. If there is a multi division thrust for upper Burma and you don't want to do Fortress Rangoon, put your units in Strat Move mode and rail them north. The line of fortifications in the wooded/rough hexes should be OK if you have a clear retreat path toward Myitkyna or Kohima. In the woods you can move as fast as he can.
The only part of your proposed line that looks risky is Pegu - it can be outflanked from the north fairly easily. [OTOH, if you have units that can change to Strat move with only one day prep, they can probably rail it out of there before being trapped by overland movement.] Still, you have to make a stand and risk some units somewhere and you will be the best judge of what you can accomplish.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 7:34:56 AM

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Order Summary - December 8, 1941 (DEI, PI, AUS, CENPAC, NOPAC, & WC)

DEI
- Fortress Palembang begins! Let the record show that we started with 32 AV. I've moved transport aircraft to Palembang and Batavia. Most of the ones in position are only able to move light stuff, so I have them gathering up ENG and INF units. A couple of them can carry heavy stuff, and I believe I set them to bringing over an AA group.
- General migration of troops to the NE side of Java with plans to shuffle them through the Batavia->Palembang queue if given time.
- TKs with long range sent to Palembang for a quick load. TKs with medium/short range sent to Soerabaja or Balikpapan.
- SAGs and ASWs deployed around the Java Sea with a particular focus on the Makassar Strait. 1 SAG group headed for Ambon to intercept any invasion forces headed that way. Force Z is fleeing south at full speed. 3 BBs spotted 5 hexes away and the mini-KB is west of the PI
- There is no such thing as "Fortress Ambon" of course, but I'm putting a lot of AGs there and pulling in some stray troops. Losing Ambon really puts a kink in my DEI->AUS fuel line and I want to keep it as long as possible.

PI
- What a mess! Everything with legs, wheels, or wings is headed toward Clark Field or Bataan. Some will not make it in time.
- The two squadrons of B-17s at CF were decimated. I'm going to let them lick their wounds for a couple of days and if there is still a runway left by that time, I'll try to get them out. The two squadrons at Cagayan were also hit but only took a few losses. I bought both of them and began moving them toward AUS where they will hopefully come in handy.
- I will attempt to rescue the unit at Cebu but I'm not hopeful as we have the mini-KB to the west, the KB to the east, and a heavy SAG to the southeast
- The same goes for the undamaged ships in Manila. The subs have been deployed. The AK types have been given their final salute. The only undamaged ships I'm not making a dash with yet are the ASs because a) I understand they help with sub repair, and b) I'd love for the KB to be elsewhere when I try to rescue them.

Down Under
- Set Perth and Darwin to fortification (shuffled lots of ENGs). Troops resting in preparation for possible invasion.
- Shuffled a ton of TKs and AKs. Long range AKs and APs sent to various hubs from whence they will bring fuel and supplies
- Started NZ on the road to fortification
- Sent some cruisers to join Adelaide at Rabaul
- Transporting Lark Bn from Rabaul to PM. Other units to follow.
- Pago Pago (PaPa) has been tapped as my Aussie hub spoke. Defensive units bound for Suva have been diverted to PaPa. The 57th Cst Art Rgt is loading on the WC and bound for PaPa. I will also need to get an AD out there to service escort Destroyers, I think. Also air cover. The first tanker and cargo fleets bound for PaPa and ultimately Australia are already loading.

CENPAC
- Wake is as ready as it can be for an invasion. I'm concerned that the KB will head east from PI and support an attack there. If so, my carriers will have to withdraw to the NE (currently they are standing off of wake to dash in and sink an initial invasion fleet)
- I moved some patrol aircraft to midway and set their arcs.
- BB Tennessee suffered moderate damage from a mini-sub torpedo. It would be a 54 day repair at PH, so I have assigned her escorts and sent her to Seattle for the next month or so. She should have no problem making the trip to Seattle, but I'll be watching carefully.
- Tons of subs deployed.
- Any DD I can spare is on ASW duty as are most of my aircraft. Better to get them while they're concentrated around PH than let them spread out along the WC

NOPAC
- Kodiak will be supplied from Prince Rupert. Port is upgrading.
- Very light SAG sent to Adak to keep an eye on things until my heavy NOPAC SAG arrives from PH. "Force A" currently consists of BB Maryland, BB West Virginia, CA Minneapolis, CL Honolulu, and 4 destroyers (2 DMs/2 DMS). If IJ sends anything short of KB north I will make an example out of it.

WC
- If it is Canadian and it can build crap, it was sent to Prince Rupert where it will rapidly upgrade the port. PR will be my supply source for NOPAC
- TKs, AKs, and APs rearranged throughout the west coast.
- 34th Infantry is loading and bound for PH where it will join the rest of its division and twiddle its thumbs until I figure out where to send it.
- I'm seriously short of DD types on the WC, and those that I do have can barely leave sight of the shore without a replenishment fleet. I'm going to start issuing masts and sails soon.

- Pilot training will be completed tomorrow before I send the turn off
- I'm curious as to whether I should buy some fighter units to send to PaPa or even Australia. I'd hate to send them all that way and spend the PPs doing it only to find that his main thrust is in India

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 8:12:42 AM

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If that supply run gets too much interdiction, another way is to set up supply/fuel convoys from East Coast to Cape Town, and then convoys from Cape Town to Esperance (not to Perth--too obvious). Use waypoints to keep the path far to the south. I think I first read this great idea on a Bullwinkle post. Anyway, it gives you flexibility if he makes a strong effort to interdict the LA-PaPa route.

Another tip is to bring fuel from Abadan to Karachi, then Karachi to Capetown. Abadan to West Oz direct is too dangerous in my opinion (at least the AI shreds that route on a regular basis).

Also, your heavy industry in Oz will eat fuel. At some point you may want to turn off some of your HI factories there in order to save the precious liquid. You won't need the HI points unless something really bad happens, like you lose the U.S., in which case that would be the bigger issue.

Oh, and good luck! Everyone likes the underdog.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 12:17:01 PM

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Air cover for your initial bases in the east Pacific like Palmyra, Christmas Island, Canton and Pago Pago can come from Pearl without any PP cost as long as you are comfortable with reducing Pearl's fighter strength.

I typically make the dividing line between CenPac and SoPac between Canton and Pago Pago. So I usually only use CenPac fighters as far south as Canton and pay to free up a Marine Wildcat squadron as the initial air cover for Pago.

Note that there are one or two air units in the continental US attached to 11th Air Force and are thus free to move to NoPac as this is the domain of the 11th.

Since he didn't hit Pearl your PBY squadrons aren't decimated and should be distributed across the line Midway, Johnston, Palmyra, Christmas, Canton, Pago Pago, Suva, Noumea as soon as possible. The Kiwis have some company sized engineer units that are very cheap to buy out and can be sent very early to Noumea to get a start on building it up. Sometimes I even send an AVD to Nukufutau or Funafuti to set up a forward base for an understrength PBY squadron to provide search cover further north of the PP, Suva, Noumea line.

I typically use the PBYs in PI as torpedo strike platforms against the invasion forces until losses force a withdrawl. Since he has concentrated carrier air cover around the PI this may be too costly with little benefit and you may want to pull them out early. They and teh float planes can be pulled for free since they are attached to an unrestricted HQ.

I like to put the four plane fragment of the floatplanes aboard the Langley if it escapes alive and use it as an ASW platform. The Langley and the Wright and I believe one other US AV actually have a plane capacity (most don't and can only be used as aviation support for seaplane bases) and can be used as mini versions of the Japanese CS. The US float planes are very short legged and not really very useful as search planes. I get them all started early working as ASW platforms. I also use the float planes aboard CAs escorting carriers as ASW platforms since their search radius doesn't really enhance the carrier TFs search capability by much.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 12:47:24 PM

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 2:08:45 PM

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Quote: marbakka "- I'm seriously short of DD types on the WC, and those that I do have can barely leave sight of the shore without a replenishment fleet. I'm going to start issuing masts and sails soon. "

A great image to plant in our heads! Just don't forget to include paddles, towing ropes and distress flares.

Quote: marbakka "- I'm curious as to whether I should buy some fighter units to send to PaPa or even Australia. I'd hate to send them all that way and spend the PPs doing it only to find that his main thrust is in India"Fighters are needed everywhere and he pretty much has to take Rabaul and Port Moresby to secure his eastern flank of the DEI. If you move them to Oz, train them up and deploy them to Port Moresby when the time comes. If you assign them to an unrestricted HQ you can move them anywhere, but they get better HQ support if they are close to the HQ, of course. SWPAC is the logical choice for Oz/New Guinea/Rabaul. Don't assign them to Aussie command.

Re: Oz - You may have read that this game is about logistics planning as much as combat strategy. Northern Oz is very difficult to supply and impossible if he decides to invade with strong naval support. Now is the time to move some supply up the central rail/road link through Alice Springs towards Katherine and Darwin and Digger's Bar and Grille [or whatever they call that remote outpost]. You can now stockpile at some bases so the supply doesn't get drawn away again and you can use the > button to increase supply levels on the tiny remote bases. The supply will be needed if you want to put defenders up there or build up the airfields. If he never goes for northern Oz, you can release the supply to Darwin by using the << to put the outposts back to minimum.
If you want to ferry aircraft up toward Darwin, you will need to build airfields at some intermediate places. Alice Springs for sure should be level 5 to support heavy bombers.

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RE: [Clever Title Here] Texas_D (J) vs Marbakka (A) - 3/30/2012 3:11:06 PM

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If that supply run gets too much interdiction, another way is to set up supply/fuel convoys from East Coast to Cape Town, and then convoys from Cape Town to Esperance (not to Perth--too obvious). Use waypoints to keep the path far to the south. I think I first read this great idea on a Bullwinkle post. Anyway, it gives you flexibility if he makes a strong effort to interdict the LA-PaPa route.

I'll keep this in mind. I didn't realize until last night that you can send stuff almost straight from Cape Town to Perth in like 10 hexes (obviously that wouldn't hold up and I'd have to use a smaller port like you suggested).

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Also, your heavy industry in Oz will eat fuel. At some point you may want to turn off some of your HI factories there in order to save the precious liquid. You won't need the HI points unless something really bad happens, like you lose the U.S., in which case that would be the bigger issue.

Of all the elements of this game, the industry is what I understand the least. Right now, fuel exists for the sole purpose of being shipped to India/Australia, though I know that later troop buildups will require a better grasp.

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Since he didn't hit Pearl your PBY squadrons aren't decimated and should be distributed across the line Midway, Johnston, Palmyra, Christmas, Canton, Pago Pago, Suva, Noumea as soon as possible. The Kiwis have some company sized engineer units that are very cheap to buy out and can be sent very early to Noumea to get a start on building it up. Sometimes I even send an AVD to Nukufutau or Funafuti to set up a forward base for an understrength PBY squadron to provide search cover further north of the PP, Suva, Noumea line.

My PBY squadrons are currently occupied hunting Jap subs around PH but I'll be sure to spread them out later.

I forgot to mention what my CVs are up to. The answer is...well...not much. And since they aren't doing much, I don't see any reason to tell their specific locations (In general, they are north and west). So lets just say: they are doing very well. Thanks for asking. Tell grandpa hello, and please send cookies.

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