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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/25/2012 9:47:29 PM   
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Soryu is 4-5 days out of Tokyo. One of Ted's mistakes (in my opinion) is to not use the "useless" US fleet subs. I haven't seen a single one in the interior of my territory. I'm confident Soryu won't run into anything on her voyage (but I still have her heavily escorted.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/25/2012 11:45:45 PM   
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Tell Ted I'll take over his sub fleet placement. Now that I'm playing the 'evil empire' I have a better feel of where subs need to go. (Insert evil laughter here)

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/26/2012 2:11:13 AM   
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Don't even think about it.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/26/2012 9:43:50 PM   
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A quicky for the Emperor, I've never run the IJ side, whats the max tonnage you can fix east of the HI? (aside from Manila)

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/26/2012 9:59:48 PM   
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Not much unless you use support ships, and they're very limited. In the Pacific, there are no repair yards other than the small ARD at Truk. You have to patch up all the minor damage and sail it to the Home Islands for complete repairs.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/27/2012 3:21:45 AM   
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Yes, I whine about the Allies long trip back to the repair yards but they have it a lot better than the Japanese in that respect. Plus they are less likely to sink on the way home....

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/27/2012 11:58:14 PM   
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Yes, I whine about the Allies long trip back to the repair yards but they have it a lot better than the Japanese in that respect. Plus they are less likely to sink on the way home....


Ain't that the truth! Actually, if you take precautions, you can usually move damaged ships back pretty safely. You need to repair all minor damage and move them at cruise speed.



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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 12:00:35 AM   
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Sub War

Another good day. The Ro-68 caught the Australian xAP Neptuna a couple hexes south of Pt. Moresby and put 3 torpedoes and a few shells into her. Down she went along with the troops she was carrying.

5 Fleet

The airfield at Adak reached level 3 today. Still no planes there however but an Emily detachment is arriving as a reinforcement soon and will most likely head there. I may move the Emily detachment to the central Pacific and move a Mavis unit from the central Pacific to Adak.

It’s odd but I haven’t seen any Allied activity up here for a long time. I spotted an AVD near Cold Bay on 14 Jan 42 but that’s about it. Nothing at all since then. No ships, no recon, nothing. Another change to Ted’s strategy from our old games.

4 Fleet

Nothing new to report. In a few days, I get 5 or so Naval Guard units. I can finally begin to garrison some of the more important islands. I wish they had an engineer component as part of their structure.

SE Fleet

No planes flew today. Actually, no planes were lost by any means on either side today. Really weird.

Truk is very close to getting the port to level 7. After that happens, I’ll move out most of the engineers to other bases to begin the necessary build up. I want to create a network of supporting airfields so Ted won’t really know where my air strength is stationed. Right now, all I have is Rabaul, Lae and Gasmata and am finally beginning to work on Shortland Island.

China

Nothing new to report.

Malaya

Nothing new to report.

Burma

The 33 Division and an artillery regiment caught the fleeing former Rangoon garrison and beat them up some more. The 6:1 DA caused 2117(223) losses to the Burma Division and a base force while inflicting 213(1) Japanese casualties. There can’t be much left of those guys.

Philippines

Still air and ground bombardment each day. I’ve noticed that the damage being done each day is slowly increasing while the damage to my guns is decreasing. I do check my artillery units each day and set them to defend if their available strength goes below 90%. I don’t want any more destroyed by counter battery fire.

The 16 Division is cleaning up the Allied units on the islands south of the Philippines. Three more to go then it’ll go to the Philippines and I’ll begin the assaults.

SRA

The Java invasion is proceeding nicely. I hope to capture a couple dozen Dutch planes on the ground tomorrow with my air assault. Also, the 2x tank regiments and JAAF AF Bn will land tomorrow on the SW side of the island as well. At Semarang, the main invasion fleet arrived but no one landed yet. I had the TFs still set to “do not unload”. Figures. They’ll land tomorrow.

The Java invasion force (4 Division and 3x independent engineer regiments) are chasing the former Oosthaven garrison north. The 4 Division is doing all the attacking though. I’m saving the engineers for the actual DA on Palembang. I really want to get that place intact. The enemy garrison of Palembang is pretty small; just a couple thousand troops. I’m going to begin air bombardment of them to soften them up for the attack, which should happen in a week or so (hopefully). That’ll also give me some Intel on what is there.

Kendari finally fell to a 6:1 SA. Losses were 37(1) Japanese to 229(49) Dutch. The Dutch remnants ran down the road. I’m chasing them down with 2x SNLFs to kill them off.

I dropped off a load of mines at Perth and Darwin, just to be social. Actually, when the sub dropped the mines at Darwin, she spotted a CL TF in port. MKB has just replenished at Balikpapan and is headed down there to pay a visit and hopefully sink a few ships. It’ll get only 1 or 2 licks in due to the shortage of torpedoes on the carriers (18 each on Shoho and Zuiho and 6 on Hosho). The Shoho and Zuiho each carry 9 Kates and the Hosho carries only 6 Kates.

These are the first sub placed mines I’ve placed since the beginning of the war. By this time last game, I was just about out of sub mines. I’m being much more cautious with my mines this game. I’ll eventually place mines in important ports that Ted is likely to send subs to visit. My mines had pretty good luck against his subs last game and I hope to repeat that feat. I am also being very cautious using my other mines. So far, I have place some at Rabaul. I hope to be able to place a few at some ports at the front line. I’m thinking the central Pacific might be good. We’ll see…..

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: 42 IF Chutai (12x Ki-36), 1 Air Division – It’s based in Hokkaido and will train IJA naval search. Most of my training units are set at 5k feet and 0 range. This will be one of the rare units that will actually have its range set to >0. It’ll double as a real naval search unit. Currently, I don’t have any naval search in that region.

Just a short update on movement of stuff to the Home Islands. If you recall, I need to move, at a minimum, 240k fuel, 100k oil and 1041k resources to the Home Islands from outside Japan. Here’s the current tally:

81,200 fuel
4,200 oil
474,045 resources

It looks like I’ll exceed the resource requirement but I won’t make either the oil or fuel requirement. To be honest, I don’t expect to make the liquid requirement until I take Palembang. I expect to take Palembang this month.

I expect to take Singapore this month as well. With Palembang and Singapore secured, the flow of fuel and oil will begin in earnest. Most of my fast TKs (15+ kts) are at Cam Ranh Bay waiting for those two events to happen.

In about 2 weeks, I have 3x fleet subs and the Nisshin arriving as reinforcements, all within a few days’ time. That will free up 130+ naval ship points. I’ll be able to accelerate two more CVs. Banzai! Right now I have 3x CVs and 5x DDs accelerated.

Last game I used my midget subs a lot early in the war. I haven’t done that this game. I’m still searching for Ted’s SLOC from the US to Australia. I did notice that Noumea increased its airfield and port a day or two ago. I suspect that will become a major port for him. I may send some midget subs there to check the place out. I’m going to try something different this game. Instead of just sending them in to be lost without doing anything, I’m going to send the midget TF (mother sub + midget) to 1 hex outside the port and then create new TFs with just the midgets to sail them into the port and sit there. We’ll see if that works.

Concerning Ted’s SLOC, tomorrow I’m going to send Glen carrying subs to every level 2+ port in the Pacific to check them out. Right now I have them patrolling between what I thought were likely ports and the US West Coast (close to the ports) with absolutely no success. It’s getting frustrating. The only places I have any success are off Hawaii and off San Francisco. Right now I don’t have any subs on the West Coast because they are headed back to port to replenish. I allocated only 2 subs to that mission. I had meant to replace them before they headed back to port but damage to several subs prevented me from having any available to send out in time. The West Coast is so darn far from Kwajalein that it takes forever to get the subs there. It takes 2 subs allocated full time for every one stationed there, and that’s assuming they don’t get damaged.

The other issue with subs is that when one gets damaged it usually ends up heading back to the Home Islands for complete repairs. The AS does not have the capability to repair any major damage, which sucks. Only the AR will repair major damage, and only if the total is less than 6. That is usually the case if a sub gets hit by a DC and doesn’t sink. I still only have 2x ARs, one at Rabaul and the other at Balikpapan (or maybe Davao, can’t remember). I can’t convert any more until Jun 42 and it takes forever to do the conversion (6 or 12 months, can’t remember off hand). I plan on converting 6 more (Husimi class), but won’t see them until 1943. Until then, I live with 2, as all Japanese players must.

The Nisshin brings up another decision I must make. There are 4x CS ships the Japanese player has (Chitose, Chiyoda, Mizuho and Nisshin) that can either remain as a CS or be converted into a CVL. The CS is a wonderful, if slow, ship that can provide ASW and Naval Search support to (M)KB. Each has ~24 capacity. If converted to a CVL, its capacity is increased to 30. So, you can have ~100 floatplanes or 120 carrier fighter/strike aircraft. With the premature demise of the Hiryu, I’ll most likely convert all 4 to CVLs. That’ll give me an additional 84 Zeros and 36 Kates. Together, they make a nice little MKB that can support KB or perform little raids in areas where I know the Allied carriers aren’t. If I do that, I’ll keep Tone, Chikuma and a CL with them for 11 floatplanes for naval search. That’s not a lot but it would have to do. Another option is to convert 3 and keep 1 CS to sail with them. That would give me a TF of 63 Zeros, 27 Kates, 12 naval search floatplanes and 12 ASW floatplanes. That might be a better alternative. Then I could keep Tone and Chikuma with KB and attach Tenryu, Tatsuta and a CL to them, mainly for AA support. (By the way, the Tenryu and Tatsuta just completed their first upgrades a few days ago.) With the current MKB of 56 Zeros and 24 Kates, that would be a nice little raiding force. 119 Zeros and 51 Kates – Not bad.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 12:26:38 AM   
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Sub War

Nothing much happened today. Ted has a few AMs off Pt. Moresby sparring with my subs. No damage on either side.

5 Fleet

Still nothing to be seen but Anchorage is building up. Sending a sub up there to investigate.

4 Fleet

Nothing new to report.

SE Fleet

More planes littering the countryside around Pt. Moresby; mainly Allied. In two sweeps, 4x P-40Es and 4x P-39Ds were shot down at a cost of 2x Zeros and 2 pilots missing. In addition, 4 more P-39Ds were op losses.

I landed at Milne Bay and will take it tomorrow.

China

The 10 Group Army was destroyed one hex west of Hangchow. That force will move west to invest and take Chuhsien.

I attacked the 3 surrounded Corps 2 hexes NE of Sinyang and whittled them down more, causing 748(24) casualties while taking 98(0) losses. Soon.

Burma

A DA just east of Taung Gyi by 2x tank regiments caused 259(1) Brit casualties for no loss. They'll rest a day while getting some supply.

Singapore

Another DA of Singapore is scheduled for tomorrow.

SRA

Ahh, the fun stuff for last!

A brigade of the 21 Division moved to Djokjakarta and will make an attempt to take it tomorrow. If successful, it'll cut the island in half.

The landing at Loemadjang (SW part of Java) landed without a hitch. It'll take the undefended base tomorrow.

Finally, the Yokosuka 1 SNLF paradropped onto Madioen, where I knew there were some Dutch planes. What I didn't know was that there were a lot of Dutch planes and no ground troops. I captured the following:

10x 75A-7 Hawk
13x B339
21x CW-21B Demon
13x L-18 Lodestar

Banzai!

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What more is there to say?!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 12:29:11 AM   
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The Java invasion force (4 Division and 3x independent engineer regiments) are chasing the former Oosthaven garrison north. The 4 Division is doing all the attacking though. I’m saving the engineers for the actual DA on Palembang. I really want to get that place intact. The enemy garrison of Palembang is pretty small; just a couple thousand troops. I’m going to begin air bombardment of them to soften them up for the attack, which should happen in a week or so (hopefully). That’ll also give me some Intel on what is there.


Oosthaven - If you can afford it, I would place some engineers here to expand the port. You will have two months of built up fuel at Palembang to get out. I would use some of your small (1250 capacity) TKs set to CS convoy to and from Batavia. For defense, I would mine Merak and place 2 AMC to tend to the minefield.

Ted's SLOC - I would look at an increase in port size at Christmas, Pago Pago, and Suva first. Then Vava'u (largest potential port in So Pacific - 6) before looking over at Society Island group. One trick for the Allies is to build up one of these ports to be your fuel hub and use "Do Not Refuel" to not suck up some of that fuel that was just unloaded (or use the Minimal Refuel option to get back to WC).

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 12:34:09 AM   
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Good idea about Oosthaven and Merak, Michael. I'll use the 3x ind. eng. reg. as soon as I capture Palembang. That's a great idea to move the fuel from Oosthaven to Batavia.

Thanks for the tip on which islands to check out first. I have a bunch of subs headed in that direction but haven't given them specific islands yet. They're first on the list.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 2:51:44 AM   
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Re. CS conversions.

I haven't done any of these yet in my game but definitely intend to do so. CVs/CVLs/CVEs don't have to pass a weather check to fly search missions, whereas anything floatplane based does. That is a massive difference in utility, regardless of anything else.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 8:20:52 AM   
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Philippines

Still air and ground bombardment each day. I’ve noticed that the damage being done each day is slowly increasing while the damage to my guns is decreasing. I do check my artillery units each day and set them to defend if their available strength goes below 90%. I don’t want any more destroyed by counter battery fire.

The 16 Division is cleaning up the Allied units on the islands south of the Philippines. Three more to go then it’ll go to the Philippines and I’ll begin the assaults.



Mike,

I've noticed that you do a large amount of artillery bombardment. I thought that artillery bombardments were generally agreed to be counterproductive. They don't cause much damage or disruption and merely serve to eat supplies and cause the enemy units to increase in experience rather quickly. Has something been changed in a recent patch that I am unaware of?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/28/2012 10:48:06 AM   
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CPT Cruft, I didn't know that. That definitely sways me toward all converting to CVLs. Thanks.

Icedawg, I've heard that as well, but never checked it out. I'm beginning to wonder if it is worth it simply due to the counter battery fire. It does a real number on my artillery unless I have overwhelming gun superiority. If that's the case, the battle usually doesn't last long anyway.

I've been wondering why Ted left his Dutch planes on the ground. He knows they're just targets. I'll bet he did that just to prevent my pilots from getting experience on the cheap. I'll ask him today.

Another good turn, both in Java and over Pt. Moresby. I'll write it up after work.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/29/2012 2:43:54 PM   
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About the CS class, i have been thinking how usefull could they be as an ASW TF with 3 older DDs, E:s or SC:s? Used safely along the coastal convoy routes up to home islands, other air and naval ASW asset set to vector in?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/29/2012 4:17:29 PM   
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Re: CS-CVL conversions: While their utility as CVLs, once built, is a solid rationale, conversion will take them out of circulation throughout for almost all of 1942 and well into 1943 (365 day delay, IIRC).

Depending on how long it takes you to get them started, having them out of commission for the majority of the IJN expansive phase is a mark against the conversion, IMO. Maybe keeping a CS around for KB protection / scouting in 1942 would be a happy middle ground?

Think things might have worked out differently for Japan in a certainly naval battle in 6/42 if they'd have had better floatplane recon coverage or redundancy? Cause I do.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/29/2012 4:59:47 PM   
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Re: CS-CVL conversions: While their utility as CVLs, once built, is a solid rationale, conversion will take them out of circulation throughout for almost all of 1942 and well into 1943 (365 day delay, IIRC).

Depending on how long it takes you to get them started, having them out of commission for the majority of the IJN expansive phase is a mark against the conversion, IMO. Maybe keeping a CS around for KB protection / scouting in 1942 would be a happy middle ground?

Think things might have worked out differently for Japan in a certainly naval battle in 6/42 if they'd have had better floatplane recon coverage or redundancy? Cause I do.


Arent two of them upgrades and other two conversions? So upgrade two as CVLs and keep the rest for ASW?

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Re: CS-CVL conversions: While their utility as CVLs, once built, is a solid rationale, conversion will take them out of circulation throughout for almost all of 1942 and well into 1943 (365 day delay, IIRC).

Depending on how long it takes you to get them started, having them out of commission for the majority of the IJN expansive phase is a mark against the conversion, IMO. Maybe keeping a CS around for KB protection / scouting in 1942 would be a happy middle ground?

Think things might have worked out differently for Japan in a certainly naval battle in 6/42 if they'd have had better floatplane recon coverage or redundancy? Cause I do.


Arent two of them upgrades and other two conversions? So upgrade two as CVLs and keep the rest for ASW?

Semantics. The distinction only rationalizes which ports can accomodate them for switchover. IIRC, all 4 take 365 'downtime' to complete the conversion.

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Re: CS-CVL conversions: While their utility as CVLs, once built, is a solid rationale, conversion will take them out of circulation throughout for almost all of 1942 and well into 1943 (365 day delay, IIRC).

Depending on how long it takes you to get them started, having them out of commission for the majority of the IJN expansive phase is a mark against the conversion, IMO. Maybe keeping a CS around for KB protection / scouting in 1942 would be a happy middle ground?

Think things might have worked out differently for Japan in a certainly naval battle in 6/42 if they'd have had better floatplane recon coverage or redundancy? Cause I do.


Arent two of them upgrades and other two conversions? So upgrade two as CVLs and keep the rest for ASW?

Semantics. The distinction only rationalizes which ports can accomodate them for switchover. IIRC, all 4 take 365 'downtime' to complete the conversion.


Sorry, im a newbie so im hardly and expert and only full of questions. I had understood that uppgrade was faster. You have opinions on how usefull the CS can be in the ASW role i suggested?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Re: CS-CVL conversions: While their utility as CVLs, once built, is a solid rationale, conversion will take them out of circulation throughout for almost all of 1942 and well into 1943 (365 day delay, IIRC).

Depending on how long it takes you to get them started, having them out of commission for the majority of the IJN expansive phase is a mark against the conversion, IMO. Maybe keeping a CS around for KB protection / scouting in 1942 would be a happy middle ground?

Think things might have worked out differently for Japan in a certainly naval battle in 6/42 if they'd have had better floatplane recon coverage or redundancy? Cause I do.


Arent two of them upgrades and other two conversions? So upgrade two as CVLs and keep the rest for ASW?

Semantics. The distinction only rationalizes which ports can accomodate them for switchover. IIRC, all 4 take 365 'downtime' to complete the conversion.


Sorry, im a newbie so im hardly and expert and only full of questions. I had understood that uppgrade was faster. You have opinions on how usefull the CS can be in the ASW role i suggested?


Insofar as CS floatplanes usefulness for ASW-I'm decidely 'meh'. The Jakes (or other floatplanes) that would be housed on CS platforms carry minimal offensive armament. Generally speaking, you'd be very fortunate if you damaged an enemy submarine with a CS-based floatplane. Also, the floatplane pilots are generally not experten in the ASW mode-their expertise is generally NavS, an entirely different value.

HOWEVER, their superlative NavS skills will detect all manner of ships in the area, submarines included, thereby raising their DL (detection levels). A submarine with high DLs is an ineffective submarine, so NavS functioning floatplanes off of a CS (or other platform) can neutralize enemy submarines by detecting them. They can also find enemy surface ships while on NavS settings, which is their main value in a combat force, such as KB, in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Re: CS-CVL conversions: While their utility as CVLs, once built, is a solid rationale, conversion will take them out of circulation throughout for almost all of 1942 and well into 1943 (365 day delay, IIRC).

Depending on how long it takes you to get them started, having them out of commission for the majority of the IJN expansive phase is a mark against the conversion, IMO. Maybe keeping a CS around for KB protection / scouting in 1942 would be a happy middle ground?

Think things might have worked out differently for Japan in a certainly naval battle in 6/42 if they'd have had better floatplane recon coverage or redundancy? Cause I do.


Arent two of them upgrades and other two conversions? So upgrade two as CVLs and keep the rest for ASW?

Semantics. The distinction only rationalizes which ports can accomodate them for switchover. IIRC, all 4 take 365 'downtime' to complete the conversion.


Sorry, im a newbie so im hardly and expert and only full of questions. I had understood that uppgrade was faster. You have opinions on how usefull the CS can be in the ASW role i suggested?


Insofar as CS floatplanes usefulness for ASW-I'm decidely 'meh'. The Jakes (or other floatplanes) that would be housed on CS platforms carry minimal offensive armament. Generally speaking, you'd be very fortunate if you damaged an enemy submarine with a CS-based floatplane. Also, the floatplane pilots are generally not experten in the ASW mode-their expertise is generally NavS, an entirely different value.

HOWEVER, their superlative NavS skills will detect all manner of ships in the area, submarines included, thereby raising their DL (detection levels). A submarine with high DLs is an ineffective submarine, so NavS functioning floatplanes off of a CS (or other platform) can neutralize enemy submarines by detecting them. They can also find enemy surface ships while on NavS settings, which is their main value in a combat force, such as KB, in my opinion.


Well i have used one allways with KB2 but not with main KB because lack of speed.
I was thinking about using 1-3 in the ASW role to keep the main convoy routes safe, training and/or replacing the pilots for this role also and having other ASW TF and aerial ASW units attack what they find.
Is this realistic in any way?


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/29/2012 6:03:07 PM   
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I know that the IJN didnt take notice waht was going on in the Atlantic and the use of Subs by the Germans or the use of combined naval/air ASW and convoys used by the Allies. I want to use the what i have in the most useful way.

Any ideas what are the best air units IJN/IJA i can convert in the ASW role and the possible plane types?

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Other JFBs (and myself) have commented on the value of IJAAF level bombers used in the ASW role. Set at 1000' or less, with crews trained up >70 values for ASW seems to be the most effective combination of airframe and crew training to effect ASW. Sally, Helen, Peggy (IJAAF) or Nell, Betty (IJNAF) can be used in this role.

Float planes-less useful for ASW per se.

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Interesting discussion. I got some facts on the 4 CS:

All take 300+ days to upgrade/convert to a CVL.
All have 30 capacity as a CVL.

Here's where they differ:

Ship - CS Speed - CS Capacity - CVL Speed
Chitose - 28 - 24 - 29
Chiyoda - 29 - 24 - 29
Mizuho - 22 - 20 - 24
Nisshin - 28 - 20 - 28

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Looking at the numbers, the Chitose and Chiyoda are fast enough as CS to not really affect KB. Looks like Mizuho should be converted and put with MKB. I'd convert Nisshin if I were going to keep Chitose and Chiyoda as CS because it carries only 20 FP vs. 24.

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Interesting to see you struggle with this as well.  Same for me.  CS are so useful for their Search, but still hate not having them as true flattops.

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In my current game against Arnhem I have CVE Hosho with 18x Jean torpedo bombers in a task force with 8x SCs and four PBs.

This is a dedicated ASW task force, the Jeans are all set to ASW with their 250kg bombs.

I'll let you know how it works out.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/30/2012 9:43:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Interesting discussion. I got some facts on the 4 CS:

All take 300+ days to upgrade/convert to a CVL.
All have 30 capacity as a CVL.

Here's where they differ:

Ship - CS Speed - CS Capacity - CVL Speed
Chitose - 28 - 24 - 29
Chiyoda - 29 - 24 - 29
Mizuho - 22 - 20 - 24
Nisshin - 28 - 20 - 28


Interesting.
In my game I decided to convert Chitose and Chiyoda.
I will keep Nisshin as a CS to operate in the KB. Its speed isn't much lower than Kido Buttai's battleships, so it won't slow it down by much (1-2 knots isn't a big deal).
Just my humble opinion.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

In my current game against Arnhem I have CVE Hosho with 18x Jean torpedo bombers in a task force with 8x SCs and four PBs.

This is a dedicated ASW task force, the Jeans are all set to ASW with their 250kg bombs.

I'll let you know how it works out.


Interesting idea. Why not use Kates?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 3/31/2012 3:29:52 PM   
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Olorin, everyone's opinion is welcome here. That's how we japanese players grow into an overwhelming force!


14 Feb 42

Sub War

An S class sub appeared south of Balikpapan in the deep water. It took a shot at a PB on ASW patrol unsuccessfully. My PB dropped DCs above the sub. Well, I know it’s there now.

5 Fleet

There are now 2x Emily flying boats operating out of Adak. A Naval Guard is headed there to augment the base force garrison. In addition, another Naval Guard is on the way to take more of the Aleutian chain. We’ll see how far they go before it causes a reaction from Ted (if any).

Adak’s fort level reached 2 today.

4 Fleet

Three Naval Guards will head to the central Pacific fringe to garrison some important islands. I will decide which islands tonight.

I have identified 4 engineer units from Kwantung Army (3x engineer companies and 1x independent engineer regiment) for 4 Fleet. I’ll probably buy them out today and ship them out.

SE Fleet

Another sweep over Pt. Moresby pitted 22 Zeros against 3 P-39Ds. Two of the P-39s were shot down for no Japanese loss. I did lose two planes to op losses, but no pilots were lost. The mouse over shows no Allied fighters remaining at Pt. Moresby. I’ll sweep again tomorrow. If none show up, I’ll continue to sweep with 2x Zero chutai and begin bombing the airfield the day after. I need to get some IJA bombers down here. I don’t want to use elite Bettys to bomb airfields. I’m sure Ted has AA here. They will most likely come from the 5 Air Division (currently bombing Bataan), but that still has to be determined.

With the capture of Hansa Bay on the NE coast of New Guinea, only Madang remains in enemy hands (and has no enemy troops).

Truk’s port will reach level 7 tomorrow. Finally! Then I’ll shift most of the engineers down to Rabaul to get that airfield to level 7. Right now it’s only at 6.18. A level 7 airfield is critical in an air battle of attrition. Fortunately, I seem to be winning it over Pt. Moresby so there will be a lull until Ted gets more replacement aircraft. He gets the equivalent of 2 squadrons of P-40Es (35) and 1.5 squadrons of P-39Ds (25) a month.

Ted claimed to have sent 8 fighter squadrons to Oz in January. I estimate that I’ve destroyed the equivalent of at least 6 of them since 24 Jan 42, when the air superiority campaign over Pt. Moresby began.

He also said he shipped over 6 bomber squadrons, not including the B-26 squadron now littering the bottom of the ocean, but I haven’t seen any yet. I’d love for him to send them over. They’d get shredded!

China

Another DA on the 3 surrounded Chinese Corps NE of Sinyang resulted in the destruction on one of them. Losses were 136(1) Japanese to 753(51) Chinese. Another attack will occur tomorrow.

Burma

The AVG visited Tongoo today, resulting in an altercation between 10x H81-A3s and 11x Ki-43-Ibs. One H81 was shot down and 2x Oscars were op losses, but we lost no pilots. Overall, a good day. I’m planning on replacing the Ib sentai with a full strength Ic sentai. Then I’ll move the Ib sentai to Bangkok to be upgraded. This will take a while because I’m still using the Ic pool as quickly as they are built. This sentai will take a week of aircraft builds (30 plane sentai).

Malaya

More bombing of Singapore….

SRA

MKB is 1.5 days away from visiting Darwin. Fortunately, it snuck past the sub lurking south of Balikpapan unseen. After the visit, I will probably have MKB sail north past Kendari to Davao for a bit of R&R before its next mission (whatever that will be).

Merak’s airfield reached level 2, which allows offensive missions. What’s left of the Dutch Air Force is grounded so I’ll base some bombers there to begin to soften up Batavia. The 8 Tojos will remain there as CAP, just in case.

In the south of Java, Loemadjang is a functioning level 4 airbase. It’ll perform the same mission, softening up Soerabaja.

The 1250 capacity TKs assigned to Miri/Brunei have been keeping those bases drained, mainly because Miri has not yet been fully repaired (3 months to go). I’m going to send one TF (5 TKs and 2 escorts) to Oosthaven to move fuel from there to Batavia once Batavia is liberated. (Thanks for the tip, Michael.)

With all the troops in Pt. Moresby (20-25k!), I’m curious how many troops are in the north of Australia. Koepang will fall soon and I’ll start to do some recon of the northern bases to see what’s there.

Other Stuff

Reinforcements:

Yokohama Ku T-1 Det – 2 Emily – 24 AF – These guys went to Adak.
45 IF Chutai – 12 Ki-36 – 2 AD – ASW training
91 IF Chutai – 12 Ki-51 – 1 AD – ASW training

CHa-28
xAKL Atsu Maru (To’su class) – will become an ACM
AMc W-1

I culled my training units today (mid-month cull). Here’s what I got:

IJA
F: 26!
GrdB: 5
ASW: 1
NavS: 1
Rcn: 2

IJN
F: 6
NavS: 3
TR: 9

Remember, I pull them when they reach 50+ experience and 70+ stat. A few notes…

Most of my losses have been IJA bomber pilots due to the bombing of Singapore (and Bataan, until recently). I’ve been culling IJA bomber pilots almost daily to get replacement pilots into the sentai. That’s the reason why the GrdB pilot cull was so low.

I’ve already pulled 9 IJA ASW pilots (upper 60s stat) for a chutai based at Balikpapan. Keep in mind that the IJA and IJN ASW pilots all started from scratch. Lots are getting close. There should be a nice crop at the end of the month or mid-March at the latest.

IJA NavS also started from scratch. I don’t expect to need a lot, maybe a dozen or so. Not sure but they’ll start flowing out soon.

I got a nice crop of IJA fighter pilots. That pool has been empty for a long time. I’ll probably use half to two thirds as replacements. Most of the rest will replace elite pilots in IJA units that have more than 1 elite pilot. What’s left will be my small reserve. That should suffice. There are a bunch that are close and should be ready at the end of the month. Hopefully, the IJA fighter pilot pool should go up from here.

Note that there are a lot of pilots that are close for both the IJA and the IJN. Most have 70+ in their stat but <50 for their experience. I’m not sure how important experience is, but as long as the pools are sufficient, I’ll keep them training until they reach at least 50 experience. I’m expecting a huge class of trained pilots at the end of the month.

I didn’t get a lot of IJN pilots because of what the starting pilots looked like in the training units. It was basically a bimodal curve. There were a lot of fully trained pilots and a lot of rookies. I yanked the trained pilots at the start of the game and replaced them with rookies, which means very low experience. Now, most of those pilots have 70+ stat and 40-49 experience. I’m not concerned about this because I have a nice IJN pool. Here’s what it looked like before I added the above pilots:

F: 32
B: 56
P: 44
Tr: 0
R: 0

I increased the number of pilots in the one IJN transport daitai from 27 to 36 and have had them training when not in use. There were 9 at 70+ so I pulled them out and replaced them with 9 more rookies.

IJN recon is a bit of an issue, but only the 3x Babs chutai do this mission regularly and they each started with a couple extra pilots at the beginning of the war so I’m still ok.

The only concern I have is how long it is going to take my torpedo bomber pilots (Kates, Nells and Bettys – lots of them) to train up NavB and NavT. I still have plenty of them in the pool and my losses have been very light, but that can change in a day. Right now I’m keeping pilots in the same unit and changing what the unit trains, but that will eventually end when some pilots in the unit start to reach the magic 70 and others don’t. That’s happening now. I’m most likely going to assign TB units to train one or the other and swap pilots around as needed. That’s a PIA, but I think it’s the most efficient way to do it. I think I’ll move the TB units to two different bases – one for NavB and one for NavT. I may have to throw in a DB daitai to assist. We’ll see. Ted is out of town until Saturday night so I’ll try and play with it tonight if I have the time. All of my IJN trainers are either in Ominato, Yokohama, a base with lots of DBs who’s name I can’t remember or a base on the west coast (Nagasaki, I think). I’ll probably assign one for DBs, one for NavT, one for NavB and one for the rest. We’ll see.

I’m toying with the idea of having Nettie units be specific. Some will just be torpedo bombers in, say the Pacific and others have both attributes in, say the SE Fleet area. That would speed up training a bit.

I don’t have a nice pool of Vals. I may increase their production from 30 to 40 or so. All of my carrier DB units are at full strength but many of my trainers are still short and the pool is chronically at <10.

The Zero pool is ~104. I’ll probably shut off production for a bit when it reaches 120. Maybe not. My Zero daitai at Gasmata is down to a dozen planes (out of 27) and the two Zero units (daitai and chutai) from 24 Air Flotilla are still flying Claudes. That’s another 36. Those 3 units will suck up 50 Zeros once Rabaul’s airfield reaches level 7.

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