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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/19/2012 9:40:52 PM   
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Finnish is supposed to be one of the most difficult languages in the world.

I find Spanish rather easy, but the other romanic languages propably make it very easy to understand...


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What do you think a 5 to 10 second video intro should include to play with the stereotypes?
Right now I think about:
- Filling an enormous glass of beer
- typical German sausages
- something that graphically shows the german wish for perfection
- something mentioning the german technology


A black Porsche 911 turbo Cab zooming around a curve at high speed.


I looked for a good YouTube of Dieter of "Sprockets" fame (Mike Myers), but I couldn't find just the right one. And most folks in Europe can't see YouTube anyway.

"Touch my monkey!"


"I find you loathsome and boring. Und now-ve DANCE!"

What about Hans and Franz? Or are they Austrian?

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/19/2012 9:54:11 PM   
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Finnish is supposed to be one of the most difficult languages in the world.

I find Spanish rather easy, but the other romanic languages propably make it very easy to understand...


Back to topic:
What do you think a 5 to 10 second video intro should include to play with the stereotypes?
Right now I think about:
- Filling an enormous glass of beer
- typical German sausages
- something that graphically shows the german wish for perfection
- something mentioning the german technology


A black Porsche 911 turbo Cab zooming around a curve at high speed.


I looked for a good YouTube of Dieter of "Sprockets" fame (Mike Myers), but I couldn't find just the right one. And most folks in Europe can't see YouTube anyway.

"Touch my monkey!"


"I find you loathsome and boring. Und now-ve DANCE!"

What about Hans and Franz? Or are they Austrian?


Austrian! "And we're here to PUMP... YOU UP!!!"

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/19/2012 10:16:41 PM   
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"It will always be one of the great mysteries how the Austrians managed to achieve that Hitler is seen as a German and Mozart as an Austrian"

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/19/2012 10:36:09 PM   
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Does that make a difference?



Ah - it's about Arnold Schwarzenegger, who calls himself Austrian. Hans and Franz were characters played on Saturday Night Live (a Saturday late night comedy-skit show), who claimed to be Arnold's cousin whom he sent to America to get everybody PUMPED UP!

Dana Carvey and Kevin Nealon IIRC.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/19/2012 10:39:19 PM   
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"I find you loathsome and boring. Und now-ve DANCE!"



There's one video with Dana Carvey as Jimmy Stewart, reading his poetry. Disturbing. But Dieter liked it. The monkey, not so much.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:14:00 AM   
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Does that make a difference?

"It will always be one of the great mysteries how the Austrians managed to achieve that Hitler is seen as a German and Mozart as an Austrian"




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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 3:46:16 AM   
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"I find you loathsome and boring. Und now-ve DANCE!"



There's one video with Dana Carvey as Jimmy Stewart, reading his poetry. Disturbing. But Dieter liked it. The monkey, not so much.

German poetry and monkeys? [shudders...]

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 7:22:05 AM   
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Does that make a difference?

"It will always be one of the great mysteries how the Austrians managed to achieve that Hitler is seen as a German and Mozart as an Austrian"


Because Germans might be good at a lot of things, but they've always struggled with PR, as illustrated in the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZ8EkK3eWY

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 7:40:00 AM   
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Stereotypes about Europeans ... but you are sure only Stereotypes ?



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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 9:27:06 AM   
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Does that make a difference?

"It will always be one of the great mysteries how the Austrians managed to achieve that Hitler is seen as a German and Mozart as an Austrian"





Mozart was born in Salzburg as child of a German father and an Austrian mother.

He most probably was neither Austrian nor German, he was a citizen of the prince-bishopric Salzburg (wow, ugly word, I translated from "Fürsterzbistum")
and subordinate to Archbishop Sigismund, Count of Schattenbach.

Only reason why he is so often dubbed as Austrian is that Salzburg now is Austrian territory. And I see no reason to convince anybody otherwise.

Hitler interestingly varied between acceptance and denial of his Austrian roots himself.
Weird that one of the cruellest mass murderers of modern history began his career by being thrown out of Austrian art classes...

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 10:10:16 AM   
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Mozart was born in Salzburg as child of a German father and an Austrian mother.

So he was was the son of a German mother and a German father.

Born 1756, Austria was Germany, as much as Bavaria was. You should be aware that the Austrians even rueld it for most of the time.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 10:28:18 AM   
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Mozart was born in Salzburg as child of a German father and an Austrian mother.

So he was was the son of a German mother and a German father.

Born 1756, Austria was Germany, as much as Bavaria was. You should be aware that the Austrians even rueld it for most of the time.


Damnit you´re right, Austrian-Preussian dualism or how it was called.
There goes my historical expertise.


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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 10:34:27 AM   
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Mozart was born in Salzburg as child of a German father and an Austrian mother.

So he was was the son of a German mother and a German father.

Born 1756, Austria was Germany, as much as Bavaria was. You should be aware that the Austrians even rueld it for most of the time.


Damnit you´re right, Austrian-Preussian dualism or how it was called.
There goes my historical expertise.


One could argue that even this is wrong

The dualism begins when Prussia establishes itself as major power. Friedrich II. did this, starting with 1740 when he invaded Austria's Silesia.
BUT 1756 was the beginning of the 7 years war, in which Prussia almost was crushed. So the dualism might already have existed then, but it really started to exist after both sides had settled, which was not before 1763.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 11:01:49 AM   
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My sense is that Americans hold Germans and Germany in high esteem.  I recall historian Stephen Ambrose writing in one of his WWII histories (perhaps it was Citizen Soldier or D-Day) that American soldiers felt very comfortable with the German people - that GIs felt that Germans were like Americans in many ways.  I think that sentiment is prevalent in the USA today.

My father, who was a GI in WWII, feels the same way.  He likes Germans and doesn't have any animosity towards the country.  Of course, he would separate out his feelings for the Nazis.  But while he harbors resentment for the Japanese, he doesn't for Germany.

I remember reading in an American newspaper some 15 or 20 years ago that some town in Germany had erected a monument that acknolwedged the service of the German soldier in WWII while acknowledging that his leaders were flawed.  That was tastefully and admirably done.  In similar fashion, my wife visited Berlin three years ago and was moved by the tribute to the city's Jews who suffered in WWII.  Apparently, there is a plaque or something similar placed in the pavement in front of every residence in which a Jewish person had lived and was evicted during those dark days.

I think there is also a general feeling that Germany is a strong political ally and quite likely would be of aid if a need arose.  This sentiment might be illustrated in something I read shortly after the terrorist attacks 9/11/2001.  An American Navy ship was on patrol somewhere in the Atlantic.  A German naval vessel requested permission to pass close alongside.  When permission was granted, the German ship steamed by with the crew on deck at attention.  A very moving expression of condolences.

In an increasingly crazy world, America holds a great many nations in high esteem.  Of course, Britain and all the "Commonwealth Countries" would be first on this list due to shared cultures and close ties, but Germany (and Japan, which is pretty remarkable) would also rank very high.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 11:20:25 AM   
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I witnessed how good the image of Germany is in the USA myself.

Unfortunately, I judge many of your impressions wrong, but I may be pessimistic. It's propably for good reasons I want to emigrate...

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 1:45:17 PM   
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"I find you loathsome and boring. Und now-ve DANCE!"



There's one video with Dana Carvey as Jimmy Stewart, reading his poetry. Disturbing. But Dieter liked it. The monkey, not so much.

German poetry and monkeys? [shudders...]


I think it was Jimmy Stewart's poetry. Just as scary.

Last weekend SNL, in the Weekend Update faux-news segemnt, had a joke from real life. Apparently a German cow recently escaped from a slaughterhouse and roamed free for about three months before being caught. A national news event. Seth Meyers, in a thick German accent, announced the movie title: "The Cow Which Failed to Follow the RULES!"

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:34:13 PM   
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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:40:05 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:42:25 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:43:23 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun

What do you want, bloody Kraut?

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:45:22 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun


All this noise about Mozart, noone is talking about poor lonesome Vivaldi.

PFFFFFFF!

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:46:16 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun


All this noise about Mozart, noone is talking about poor lonesome Vivaldi.

PFFFFFFF!

Vivaldi is awesome. As well as Chopin or my favorite: Verdi!

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:47:00 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun

What do you want, bloody Kraut?




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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:50:21 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun


All this noise about Mozart, noone is talking about poor lonesome Vivaldi.

PFFFFFFF!

Vivaldi is awesome. As well as Chopin or my favorite: Verdi!


Ahhh, Verdi, creator of probably one of the most famous melodies ever, the dies irae.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:54:48 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

The only thing I could be proud of is to play some of his masterpieces in an equally masterfull way (which I can't). But the fact that he's German isn't my achievement.

Dont twist my words hun

What do you want, bloody Kraut?




I love your humor hun-hon!

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 2:56:31 PM   
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Listen to this!

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 3:07:06 PM   
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from my room...

Perfect way to start a weekend.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/20/2012 3:31:32 PM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

There's even a theory now that Mozart was scuttled.

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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/21/2012 6:20:54 AM   
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Why cant we just be proud about Mozart without nitpicking who "owns" him ?

There's even a theory now that Mozart was scuttled.


I don´t know about this Mozart, but Bismarck definitly was scuttled...

by his captain Wilhelm II


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RE: OT: Stereotypes about Germans in the US - 4/21/2012 6:26:24 AM   
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Does that make a difference?

"It will always be one of the great mysteries how the Austrians managed to achieve that Hitler is seen as a German and Mozart as an Austrian"


I know this quote with Hitler and Beethoven who, coming from Bonn, was a "real" German. Honestly I personally never would consider Mozart to be a German

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