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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/9/2012 1:53:10 PM

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3/8/42

Land
Attacked Kukong- 368 IJA to 1202 Chinese
Attacked 86,41- 389 IJA to 1748 Chinese
Attacked Koepang- 25 IJN to 34 Dutch
Attacked Soerabaja- 444 IJA to 183 Dutch

Air
Nothing

Naval
Bombardment Rabaul

Subs
SS I-10 torpedoed AP Kota Agoeng

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/10/2012 2:25:06 PM

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3/9/42

Land
Attacked 86,41- 218 IJA to 986 Chinese
Captured Kalidjati
Attacked Koepang- 89 IJN to 80 Dutch
Attacked Singkep- 0 IJA to 19 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby

Naval
Nothing

Subs
SS I-10 torpedoed TK Merula

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/11/2012 8:44:07 PM

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3/10/42

Land (Lots of Land battles today- wouldnt say it was a moderate day for the IJ)
Attacked 56,45- 39 English, 11th Burma Rifles Battalion Surrender
Attacked 86,41- 313 IJA to 1515 Chinese
Attacked Koepang- 39 IJN to 10 Dutch
Attacked Manila- 2355 IJA to 676 Allied
Landed Rabaul- Loses landing + 137 IJA bombardment
Attacked Singapore- 4131 IJA to 1745 Allies (This battle is going to be a long, hard battle)
Attacked Singkep- 22 IJN
Attacked Soerabaja- 493 IJA to 514 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby

Naval
Landed troops on Rabual

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/12/2012 4:40:06 AM

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3/11/42 Japanese assaults on Singapore and Manila were rather rudely repulsed. I will be having a rather stern talk (or is it starboard, or port? I can never keep them straight.) with my commanders about proper etiquette. The Japanese are finally landing troops at Rabaul. They will be met with the finest troops in the world!

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/13/2012 8:38:45 AM

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3/11/42

Land
Attacked 79,55- 294 IJA to 1029 Chinese- Chinese retreated
Attacked Padang- 67 IJN to 5 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby

Naval
Landed troops on Bacolod, Saidor
Bombardment of Rabaul- 203 Allied Losses

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/13/2012 8:50:01 AM

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3/12/42

Land
Attacked 60,47- 11 British- Unit retreated
Attacked 88,30- 1202 IJA to 187 Chinese
Captured Bacolod- 11 IJN to 853 Philippines
Attacked Koepang- 112 IJN to 122 Dutch
Attacked Rabaul- 874 IJA to 632 Allied- Destroyed B Coy/NG Rifles
Captured Saidor- 11 IJN to 40 Australian
Attacked Soerabaja- 186 IJA to 579 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby

Naval
Landed troops on Dobo, Makassar

Subs
I-5 Shelled AKL Iowan

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/14/2012 12:07:21 PM

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3/13/42

Land
Captured Dobo
Attacked Rabaul- 384 IJA to 419 Allied
Attacked Singkep- 22 IJA to 22 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby

Naval
Landed troops on Bima

Subs
SS I-160 sinks AK Empire Hamble

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/16/2012 10:22:46 AM

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3/14/42

Land
Captured Bima
Captured Ketapang- 59 Allied Losses
Attacked Makassar- 66 IJN to 46 Dutch
Attacked Padang- 18 IJN to 19 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby
Airfield/Sweep attacks on Port Moresby- 9 bombers/3 Fighers IJN to 6 Allied fighters- I suspect allied air losses were higher

Naval
Nothing

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/16/2012 10:28:27 AM

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3/15/42

Land
Attacked 60,97- 59 Dutch Losses
Attacked Koepang- 30 IJN to 58 Dutch
Attacked Manila- 3129 IJA to 879 Allied
Attacked Rabaul- 839 IJA to 247 Allied
Attacked Soerabaja- 124 IJA to 283 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby
Sweep attacks on Port Moresby- 2 Fighers IJN to 3 Allied fighters

Naval
Nothing

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/18/2012 5:35:52 AM

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3/18/42 Some Japanese tourists have arrived at Tulagi. We have collected as many dead fish that washed up on the beach to feed them, as we understand they find that a delicacy. The Japanese have been sustaining fairly heavy casualties throwing themselves at the defenses of Manila, Rabaul, Soerbaja and Singapore. My forces at Batavia feel stood up, everyone else is at the dance but them. Patience is the watchword for the day.

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/18/2012 11:01:03 AM

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3/16/42
Land
Attacked 60,46- 9 Allied losses, 9th Burma Rifles Battalion Destroyed
Captured Koepang- 97 IJN to 689 Dutch
Attacked Singkep- 36 IJN to 11 Dutch
Attacked Soerabaja- 85 IJA to 398 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby
Sweep attacks on Port Moresby- 6 Fighers IJN to 3 Allied fighters

Naval
Amphibious landings on Makassar and Taberfane

Subs
SS I-166 attacked AKL Jalatarang

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/18/2012 11:08:22 AM

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3/17/42
Land
Attacked 47,91- 476 IJA to 339 Dutch
Attacked Makassar- 41 IJN to 203 Dutch
Attacked Soerabaja- 209 IJA to 524 Dutch
Attacked Padang- 52 IJN to 69 Dutch
Attacked 86,41- 305 IJA to 4698 Chinese- Units retreated
Attacked Singapore- 2810 IJA to 1281 Allied

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Port Moresby
Sweep/attacks on Port Moresby- 1 Fighers IJN to 3 Allied fighters
Sweep on Soerabaja- 2 Dutch fighters

Naval
Amphibious landings on Tulagi and Sorong
Bombardment Rabaul- 105 Allied losses

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/18/2012 11:16:28 AM

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3/18/42
Land
Attacked 47,91- 63 IJA to 473 Dutch
Captured Makassar 47 IJN to 367 Dutch
Captured Sorong- 2 PBY-5
Attacked Tulagi- 79 IJN to 16 Australian

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Rabaul
Sweep/attacks on Port Moresby- 6 Fighers IJN to 18 Allied fighters- Plus 20 planes lost on ground
Dutch TF attack at 53,99- 4 CW-22 Falcons
Dutch TF attack 58,106- 1 Bomb hit, 1 CW-22 lost
IJN TF attack 99,135- AKL Lady Isobel sunk

Naval
Nothing

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/20/2012 12:24:48 PM

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3/19/42
Land
Attacked 69,104- 23 IJN
Captured Kweilin
Attacked Padang- 11 IJN to 20 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Rabaul
Sweep Soerabaja- 2 P40E
Bomb Port Moresby- 98 destroyed, 150 damaged

Naval
Amphibious landings on Namela and Singkep

Subs
Sub contacts against allied AMc + DD

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/20/2012 12:29:39 PM

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3/20/42
Land
Captured Namlea
Attacked Rabaul- 547 IJA to 510 Allied
Attacked Soerabaja- 66 IJA to 530 Allied

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Rabaul
Bomb Port Moresby- 5 destroyed, 56 damaged

Naval
Amphibious landings on Mankowari, Saumlaki and Roti
Naval combat outside Singapore (trying to resupply Singapore)- AKL Lyemun heavy damage, AKL Chaksang sunk

Subs
Nothing

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/20/2012 12:35:28 PM

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3/21/42
Land
Attacked 88,30- IJA 452 to 521 Chinese
Attacked Padang- 99 IJN to 18 Dutch
Attacked Rabaul- 226 IJA to 313 Allied
Captured Roti
Captured Saumlaki
Attacked Singapore- 5175 IJA to 586 Allied (reduced fort)
Captuted Singkep- 20 IJN to 612 Dutch
Attacked Soerabaja- 126 IJA to 469 Dutch

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Rabaul
Bomb Port Moresby- 6 destroyed, 53 damaged

Naval
Amphibious landings on Cebu

Subs
SS I-121 Heavily damages AKL Marudu

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/20/2012 12:45:08 PM

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3/22/42
Land
Attack 69,104- 10 IJN to 67 Dutch- Dutch retreat
Attack Cebu- 106 IJA to 61 Philippines
Attack Padang- 36 IJN to 46 Dutch
Attack Rabaul 241 IJA to 87 Allied

Air
Normal daily raids in China, Philippines, Singapore, DEI and Rabaul
Bomb Port Moresby- 11 destroyed, 75 damaged
Naval air attack- AKL Anakan is sunk

Naval
Naval combat outside Singapore AKL Ipoh is sunk
Bombardment Rabaul- 134 Allied loses

Subs
SS I-157 takes hits, but heavily damages AKL Nanchang
SS I-175 heavily damages AK Mormacstar

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/21/2012 4:37:18 AM

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3/24/42 Receiving distress calls from the Mutsu, near Milne Bay. She had just delivered some sorely needed care packages to Port Moresby when she ran into some sort of trouble. We will spare no effort in rescuing her valiant crew. My simpathies go out to the Imperial Japanese Navy as follows:

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/21/2012 4:50:33 PM

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3/25/42 Apparently the war is over.

vontiger sent me the battle replay, but didn't do a turn yet so he can't send it to me. Here's what I know:

Hiryu 5 bomb hits
Shokaku 4 bomb hits
Kaga 1 bomb hit
Shoho 3 bomb hits
Soryu 8 bomb hits
Zuikaku 3 bomb hits
Akagi 4 bomb hits
Mikuma 1 bomb
Kitikami 4 bombs
Haguro 2 bombs
Yubari 4 bombs

I didn't use torpedoes because they're no good. I sent the torpedo planes in at 5.000 feet, the dive bombers at 10.000 feet, the buffaloes at 10.000 feet and the wildcats at 12,000 feet.

My damage:
one of my destroyers was sunk.
Yorktown took 4 torpedoes and a couple bomb hits
Enterprise, Saratoga and Lexington were untouched

I can't believe the Yorktown hasn't sunk, but he was only aware of the destroyer sinking.

Also, when Mutsu was sunk the day before, Yamashiro was also hit very hard.

The Japanese also captured Rabaul!

Accompanying my CVs were many troop ships and also about 30 AKLs loaded with supplies for Port Moresby. The troops I had were mostly reinforcements for Port Moresby but I also had a landing force that was to recapture Milne Bay.

I'll post more info when I get it, and also discuss many of the things I couldn't talk about during the game.

I think vontiger's up for another campaign game. I'll start a new AAR if that happens.

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/21/2012 5:38:28 PM

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I see you set the anti-matter reactors on the Yorktown into imbalance, causing them to implode and thus destroying the KB doomsday machine. Nice job! Sorry to see this AAR come to an end though, I was enjoying it.

But I suppose with the loss of KB this early, the Japanese will not be much fun to play

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/22/2012 3:42:42 AM

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Wouldn't be much fun for the allies, either. vontiger wants to start over, which is fine with me, and he allows for human control of submarines (which I really like), but he doesn't want realistic R&D. He can't make A-bombs can he? Anyways I'll have to continue being ungenerous with the info I let out, as it might bear on our future campaign. Anyways I will say that Yorktown was at 70% flotation which means it might have survived. I cant believe it took 4 torpedoes and still floats, but I probably would have sent it to Aukland where I have a repairship. If it made it without sinking I suppose it would've been 3 months or more to get it in good enough shape to go to PH, and then 6 months more to repair everything. Hornet was in transit to SF. The 3 CVs I had left untouched would certainly have tried to hunt down his surviving CVs and maybe I would have done something about Rabaul right then!? I had a large reinforcement force for Port Moresby as well as a force to retake Milne Bay with my CVs. I don't know, I might have gotten super aggressive and sent it all there to recapture it, accompanied by carriers who were virtually unapposed, of course.

I regret I cannot talk about what I did before, because I might (or might not) do the same thing over again. Let's just say that I was agressive (in the PO) but he was a smite too aggressive himself. I will now take bets on whether he will be more aggressive now or will be more circumspect. The allied player can make lots of mistakes and still prevail. The Imperialist vontiger will have learned from his errors, I'm sure.

I'm not sure what I'll call the new AAR, how about Gorn to be wild?

I would say one thing about it all, cryptically of course, TFs matter.

The "sunk ships screen" says Kaga (and Shoho) sank. I'm pretty sure those reports are unreliable, and Kaga received only one bomb hit. If it ended up sinking (the 1000 lb bomb would normally have penetrated to the hangar deck), well, that's really something, isn't it? As always (in my experience) the IJN attack arrived first, but my attack wave was already airborne. Almost all of my CV squadrons were trained to the level 70 or so, which I believe is quite adequate.

In any case, like Sisyphus, we can push this boulder up the hill endlessly, and always be delighted by it.

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/23/2012 6:07:41 PM

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Here's an exchange we had on technique. His initial email is on the bottom and my reply is on top.

Dutch subs yes, they have torpedoes that work. The USN subs were almost exclusively used for supply. Rabaul was receiving shipments every day without your DDs etc detecting them. On the southern swing of your carriers however, almost all my subs were tracking them. On two occasions your CVs passed through hexes containing wolf packs without any contact. Yes, some of those float planes can be very nasty, and you wouldn't think so. No point fighting over ground you will lose anyway at the cost of enormous casualties unless you must delay them. Four CVs against your six still gives you an advantage though (Hornet was on the say to SF) but I knew you were preparing to invade Port Moresby and I couldn't tolerate that. I thought you should be having fuel problems, though. How were your sorties remaining at the end? I wasn't sure what your resupply capabilities were at Truk, or Babeldaob for that matter. That "consolidating forces" thing didn't work perfectly in China, did it? I've got to improve there.

You were vastly better than the AI. I played the campaign scenario to the end once, and evicted the Japanese from all of Asia and built about 16 major airfields in Korea before landing on Kyushu. Then time ran out. Wanted to play it without the A-bomb.

Gird yourself well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Tegg <jason.tegg@gmail.com>
To: geoffel <geoffel@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:03 pm
Subject: Turn 1

Hi Geoff,

I want realistic R&D off so I can change producing factories to R&D factories.

I am happy to discuss past implemented strategy as you know it takes a few days for the first go. I guess I don't know where to start? Strategies I saw:
Subs in ports- we both did it and worked to good effect except when lots of ASW
Float planes bombing ships- works a treat (pissed me off no end) until I had CAP then they would get shot up pretty hard
I found your strategy of pulling back hard off putting, never seen it before. AI doesn't do that lol.
Consolidating your position in certain areas- Singapore, Manila, Bataan, Soerabaja, Batavia, Rabaul and Port Moresby
Waiting for all your carriers to arrive then having 1 big group

I really enjoyed doing AAR with you and appreciate that we can do it again. I have learnt alot from the last game!!

*****
me again - I read on one of the other threads someone saying that in '42 the Japanese cap wasn't as good as it was later because they didn't have radar on their ships. I'll be sure and mention that to him.

If someone wouldn't mind, what is the abbreviation KB stand for? Carrier battlegroup?

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/25/2012 11:40:49 PM

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So to finish this post off:

Soryu was sunk... however with all the hits no fuel left.... It was nasty, I should have had over 200 fighters covering, only 40 showed up....

For my 100 bombers that attacked, no Vals hit and only 4 torps on 1 CV and 1 DD sunk.... The other 100 bombers did not show up to attack.... It was the weirdest Carrier strike I have ever seen.

So I move on to the next battle- I dont believe I did too bad for my first PBEM game.

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RE: Gorn's just want to have fun! vontiger(J) vs. geof... - 4/26/2012 8:31:11 PM

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Beyond the IJN CAP problem from no radar, there was quite a bit of weather in the area, both in my vicinity and his, storms or overcast. This may have made it easier for my strike to sneak up on him before being spotted, and perhaps at the same time made it harder for his strike squadrons to find me. I'm not sure but I may well have had more land based search planes operating in the area. There were thunderstorms over my fleet when his strike arrived and light cloud over his when mine arrived. Based on his new avatar it would seem he was attacking me with thunderbolts and messed up his own air attacks. I'm surprised that my strike got off so well and arrived in an organized fashion unless they left before the storms arrived.

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