abradley
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[B]Posted by Les the Sarge 9-1 on Tuesday 1029 PM 26 Nov 02 :
I'm surprised at you Abradley.[/B]
Why?
[B]First the main reason for "no cd" patches is primarily so people can employ pirated games. I know this as 90% of the games my friends possess are illegally copied games.[/B]
As for the 'No CD' being for pirated games. I don't see it!
I'm making a difference between mass produced 'Pirate Copies' and the individually copied disks---the individual copy will often take an upgrade, but I've yet to see a commercially produced pirate copy accept upgrades. And 'No CD' patches are usually for the upgraded games (a least that's what I use them for---all that I've seen are for specific versions, like 'myteu25.ace' is for Europa Universalis II V1.05 and won't work properly on earlier or later versions or any other game.
Lets say I've a Commercial pirated dupe of copy protected 'Jagged Alliance 2' (I do!) and it's got the normal 1st edition bugs making gaming unsatisfying. When the upgrades come out they don't work so my gaming doesn't get any better, the only way to improve it is [B]Buy the real thing[/B] and support a game and company your happy with.
But are you basing your point on people who buy a legit game, copy it then pass it to friends. If so what will a 'no cd' patch do to encourage this, the friends already have the game cd and most likely it was copied with a program allowing it to accept upgrades. I don't see how a 'NoCD' patch encourages this.
But a 'No Cd' patch can encourage a group getting together and buying a copy between them, individually installing and 'No CD' patching, and then passing the game on to others in the group. I've heard of this happening---but who gets the manual?
[B]Also the 'no cd' patches are for non-commercially pirated games [/B]
Why do you say that? I've several games on my system using 'No Cd' patches and [B]every game[/B] on my machine is legal, and upgraded!
If you go to a site with patches for 'no cds', I believe you'll see they're normally for upgraded games---am talking about wargames, haven't looked at the others.
[B]Further, the only reason for not including a cd in the drive requirement, can only be due to the demanding software requirement to make the games copy protected.[/B]
If I understand you correctly your saying that copy protected games can't be 'No Cded'! But I've got four legit copy protected games 'No Cded' on my system now, JA2 Ver 1.07, JA2UB Ver 1.01, EU II Ver 1.05, and TOAW-ACW Ver 1.04. Plus another 8 (legit) un-copy protected gems from HPS that are 'No-Cded'. Haven't found a 'No CD' for Decisive Action---but I am looking!
Or are you saying that many games have much of the data used during play on the cd, I've seen this, but only in one of the above, TOAW-ACW has the intro file on the cd and this is handled by explicit instructions on changing a registry entry and adding a dummy directory and file to the game directory. Even I could do it!
[B]To come right out and ask a software maker to provide a no cd crack, is about the same as asking if you can sleep with a guys under age sister.[/B]
For 'No CD' I disagree, but for copy protection..that's a different story. I remember when un-copy protected 'East Front (1)' came out, it sold pretty well but was buggy and the printed manual was near useless. Talonsoft decided to bring out a campaign disk with a new big printed manual. It hit the market and sold like hotcakes, in fact sold many, many more then the game.
Why? Because people had duped the game but couldn't dupe the manual..so they bought the package for the 'Manual', at least that's what Talonsoft figured and their follow on games were all copy protected. This may show how best to copy protect in the future, a little of the past, have a darned good manual and a 'go-nogo' question referenced to the manual during the game. As most remember, that's how it was done when 'Dos disk encryption' was found to be impractical because Floppies didn't last.
[B]I mean really, I can't see any justification for no cd options at all.
Then again I know only one individual out of all the computers I do know, that takes proper care of their cds (proper care being to place the cd back in the jewel case when it is no in use). [/B]
Now you know two. I also place my cds in cases immediately, when not in use.
[B]I have never ever ever had a single cd ever ever give me any trouble what so ever. I have never ever ever had any trouble with the cd being required in the cd drive. I have never found it intrusive at all.[/B]
I have destroyed a couple that I remember---one stands out, stupid, think I was on the net and I needed my electronic Encyclopedia, so I opened my cd-drawer, reached down, carefully extracted my only JA2 play disk, and dropped it. It landed out of sight, I moved my roller chair back looking, rolled over it in the process, grinding grit and what all into the grooves. Took me near 3 months to get another copy through 'Chips and Bits'! The other was while traveling, had it in my carryon bag, but here in Thailand there is little room for anything in Buses so rather then be a bit crowed I put the bag in the underneath storage. Believe they were shipping several tons of lead ingots on that trip and naturally they repositioned my bag beneath all.
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