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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/4/2012 8:21:38 PM

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Not much action this turn. My fleet is moving into position for the attack on Timor. No sign of the allied fleet.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/4/2012 9:39:57 PM

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/4/2012 10:55:58 PM

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I bet his CV's are hanging off Alaska becuase, in another time, and another place, not enough CV's were brought to the Aleuts and as a result, there were some permanent reefs 10,000 feet below sea level :) and the Aleuts stayed in Allied hands.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 12:31:11 AM

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Sorry

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 3:08:12 AM

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At this time of year, things are getting very brisk up there. Very shortly you will not be able to operate aircraft carriers because everything (and I do mean everything) will be covered in sheets of ice.

IRL, yes. In game, the winter effects are pretty mild if you keep your speed down. And the early IJ landing bonus ignores the winter effect.

PErsonally, not sure of this campaign; but I am watching with interest. I do see some posiblities I hadn't thought of before, but still not sure they work out. Great to watch though.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 3:30:31 AM

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Excuse me

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 4:16:28 AM

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 12:34:49 PM

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Probably lots of action tomorrow. I am landing simultaneously at Lauterm and Balikpapan to force him to split forces or leave one landing uncontested. Another transport TF is heading to Makassar. I am trying to overwhelm him here.

Lauterm
Lauterm is by far the most dangerous operation since this is the area where Force Z and the suspected CVs were last spotted.

4 BBs under Tanaka will clear the way, together with several small TFs consiting of 2-4 CLs or DDs. The CVL/CVEs will take position just east of Lauterm, and two CS will head south in an attempt to draw fire or at least give the impression that I have more carriers here than I actually do.

Aircover from Ambon, consisting of 50 Bettys and 50 Zeros. Bettys have mixed orders of naval attack at 2k or 8k, Zeros are a mix of escort and sweep over the target hexes. Tomorrow could get bloody if Canoe decides to park his CVs just off Lauterm.

Balikpapan
4 CAs are positioned to intercept any attempt to interfere with the landings. 1 CA+several DDs will patrol the target hex itself. The CVL will take up position just off Samarinda together with a separate SCTF for close cover. I need to be careful here, because Force Z and the CVs might just aswell show up here.

I rather doubt it though, since I think Canoe has his eyes fixed on Timor right now.

China
Right now it is a war of manuever on the plains off Nanyang. Notice the nice trap Canoe is setting up north? One blocking force to hold my forces in place, and one flanking force to sneak in behind them. It is clear I will have to be careful around here. There are lots of Chinese units all over the place, and the hunter may very quick become the hunted.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 12:40:24 PM

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Panzerjaeger, I just viewed your AAR for the first time. I've only played Allies but I won't tell anybody anything including CR. Alaska. Going gold mining are you? Normally I'd make it easier for you because I evacuate all the good stuff as soon as I can, but you're too quick on the trigger. If you think his CVs are where you think, what the heck are your CVs doing off Alaska??? If I were him I'd give you a good punch in the nose and take Truk, not mess around in NEI. The Coral Sea area, if he holds the important places is a dagger pointed at the heart of your empire. A couple of BBs could protect your northern operations under the circumstances. I say it's time to get your PanzerGrenadier pants on and get down there and fight him! Time's wasting, he gets more carriers with trained crews and pretty soon you're f***ed. Forgive me my bluntness.

Actually I think an opportunity has presented itself in the north pacific. It is clear that Canoe is not defending up here, and that could prove to be a costly mistake.. I am actually reinforcing heavily up here with several more units heading north.

The battle for the SRA is already over, all that remains there is mopping up. With the fall of Palembang all my first-tier objectives are achieved. What remains now is to clear the lines of communication between Palembang and Japan. All operations in this area can be executed under land based aircover. I see no need whatsoever for my CVs in that area right now.

In the NoPac-area, there are no built-up airbases yet, so I must have my CVs up there. Right now I have split the KB in three. Two CVs are heading back to Japan to refuel/rearm, two are covering the Juneau-invasion, and two others are further south, around Seattle to prevent Canoe from sending reinforcements north.

To be honest, I think Canoe has made a very big mistake here. I'll get back to why later.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 1:00:10 PM

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Oh, and one more thing about the Coral Sea.

What exactly is there that is worth taking? The entire operation in the SwPac is all about one thing - trying to deny the US the ability to stage offensive operations from that area. And while that is all fine and well, there might be better ways to achieve that goal than to follow an AI-like script to attack and take Port Moresby, Rabaul, Guadalcanal, Noumea, Suva, or wherever you want to call it quits.

I am certain of two things.
1) Canoerebel is expecting me to invade Port Moresby.
2) Canoerebel is expecting me to invade Darwin.

Why? Because everyone is doing it when they play as Japan. Why is everyone doing it when they play as Japan? They think it is of vital importance to hold those pieces of land so that the US player cannot use those bases to stage offensive operations towards the NEI/Philippines. So usually the game follows the same script. Early Japanese conquest of NEI and Phillipines, after that, and as soon as possible - onwards towards Australia or India. There, somewhere the Jap offensive stalls, the initiative slips over to the allies, and the rest of the game is spent trying to delay the inevitable defeat of the Japanese forces.

NEI right now is a sideshow, because I have taken Palembang and Manila and Singapore cannot hold. The strategic objectives are already achieved. The oil is mine. Whats left here is the secondary objectives of clearing the SLOCs back to Japan. That is also practically over. What is left after that?

If I am right, and the US CVs are around Timor right now.. what exactly are they hoping to achieve? They are in the middle of Betty/Zero-range, they are a huge threat to any shipping of mine of cource, but even if he slides his CVs right into one of my invasion convoys right now, I lose a handful of ships that cannot be replaced, some land units that can be replaced, and worst-case-scenario, some capital ships that would be nice to have in the future. But these are acceptable losses if that means I can completely conquer the entire NoPac-area.

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Because what if there is another way to delay the US counteroffensive? What if there is a way to force the US player to leave the script and fight in another area, completely on Japanese terms, where half of the year is invasion-proof? Instead of fighting very close to major bases or even supply sources, perhaps it is possible to force the US player to fight in dreadful conditions with few built-up bases, and without any cover for his own SLOCs other than his CVs can provide? Isnt that better than fighting the entire Australian or Indian army over terrain that ultimately never can be held for more than a short period of time?

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 1:07:31 PM

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Because what if there is another way to delay the US counteroffensive? What if there is a way to force the US player to leave the script and fight in another area, completely on Japanese terms, where half of the year is invasion-proof? Instead of fighting very close to major bases or even supply sources, perhaps it is possible to force the US player to fight in dreadful conditions with few built-up bases, and without any cover for his own SLOCs other than his CVs can provide? Isnt that better than fighting the entire Australian or Indian army over terrain that ultimately never can be held for more than a short period of time?

What are you planning to force him not to ignore that area?
Why should he care about the Jap sitting in Anchorage?

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 1:16:26 PM

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What are you planning to force him not to ignore that area?
Why should he care about the Jap sitting in Anchorage?

Just wait and see

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 1:20:26 PM

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allright :)

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 1:38:14 PM

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I sense the plan is beginning to grow with the opportunity provided. Ready and waiting for more info on the next stage.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 3:06:56 PM

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This is what makes a game interesting. So many players on both sides "follow the script" of what to do or not do, what can or can't be done. It is nice to see the Japanese being played differently.

PH is correct, the KB down south isn't going to accomplish anything unless they can bring the US CV's to battle - and no Allied player will allow that to happen.

Going after China should always be a must, especially in Scenario Two where the Japanese have more manpower and air assets. Both can be thrown into China and still leave the fleet to deal with the Allies.

The NorthPac attack brings US/Canadian resource areas into bombing range and may well delay US deployment efforts. This will be interesting.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 5:02:55 PM

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I look at Darwin and PM as trip wires; Allies need to take them in order to make a 43/44 offensive in those respective areas. After mid-44 the allies can jump either or both. But, they are nothing more than that. Diligent and efective recon and intel can replace either or both.

Thus I consider them to be luxuries, not necessities. If my diligence slacks off, I still have my trip wire.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 5:20:57 PM

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I like it. Target Alberta perhaps? A little bit of oil and a massive threat to the US.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/5/2012 10:59:18 PM

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I like your thinking. It actually correlates with a lot of stuff that's been swimming around in my own noggin recently. I'm beginning to get the feeling this match could become a proper classic. Cannot wait to see what happens.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/6/2012 12:15:30 AM

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This is quickly becoming a fascinating struggle. I agree with Ossian - we could be in for a treat with these AARs.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/6/2012 12:42:52 AM

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I'll butt out after this, I really should, but there's no such thing as a reef 10,000 feet down.
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It's a figure of speech to indicate what was once floating on the surface, is now resting on the ocean floor.

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What did the Allies do with these Aleuts they kept? Use them as a staging ground to invade Hokkaido? No.

Our game ended in Dec '42 due to real-life concerns - but at the time, I had most of the Aleuts built up and stocked well... and the winter weather ended soon. I had many possible attack routes planned for '43 - and because I owned the Aleuts, the Kuriles were one location on the board for invasion.

Also, more importantly, controlling the Aleuts for the Allies cuts down on a fair number of behind the line KB raiding. When owned as the Japanese, it's much more open and the Allies have to cover/picket line a whole heck of a lot more ocean.

At this time of year, things are getting very brisk up there. Very shortly you will not be able to operate aircraft carriers because everything (and I do mean everything) will be covered in sheets of ice. Get the bleep out of there now!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/6/2012 12:44:02 AM

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I am certain of two things.
1) Canoerebel is expecting me to invade Port Moresby.
2) Canoerebel is expecting me to invade Darwin.

Why? Because everyone is doing it when they play as Japan. Why is everyone doing it when they play as Japan? They think it is of vital importance to hold those pieces of land so that the US player cannot use those bases to stage offensive operations towards the NEI/Philippines.

For whatever my opinion is worth, Darwin is not worth much but Port Moresby could be. Supplies move slowly in Northern Australia, so cutting off the shipping to that coast makes counter-moves in the DEI much more difficult for the Allies. One point, however; nearly the same result can be achieved by taking Milne Bay.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/6/2012 9:03:25 AM

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Thanks guys, lots of good discussion here. I will get into more detail about my NoPac plans later.

This is actually not something I was planning at game start, but when I realized that Canoe was not going to fight up north, I decided to change my plans. There are precious few US units at game start up north, and if he fails to reinforce up there, its pretty much open road all the way to Seattle.

I have 2nd Div up there now, and Im reinforcing with the Gds mixed Bde and alot of support units. I also have pretty strong surface forces up there. In a few weeks, you can probably look forward to seeing SCTFs raid San Fransisco. That should be fun.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/6/2012 9:51:16 AM

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The operation against Lauterm was a great success. We are now ashore with over 400 AV, facing us are a disorganised rabble of troops, apparently flown in from all around. Less than 30 AV will not hold us for long.

I think Canoe did not really expect I would mount such an operation without KB-cover in the face of Force Z. Well, fortune favours the bold. This invasion should also serve to put some doubts in Canoes head about how much he can delay me even when he tries and commits large surface and carrier forces.

The 4 BBs under Tanaka did not have to fight, and we are pulling everything back to Ambon immideately. This despite the fact that not all units are offloaded yet. By pulling back now we dodge any counterstrike from Canoe - instead he will hit empty ocean.

We should be able to trap anything left on Timor now. The two airfields should serve as a good staging point for my Bettys and I can also cut off Darwin from now on.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 1:07:13 AM

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In a few weeks, you can probably look forward to seeing SCTFs raid San Fransisco. That should be fun.

This is the first time I can remember it possibly coming into play, but.....there is a big fort at the harbor entrance, you can't really raid into SF Bay

CV raid though....that would be cool

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 4:58:32 AM

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I'm an Idiot, excuse me please

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 1:30:38 PM

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Seattle? SF? You don't have the oil to play around there, but what could you do if you did? This northern strategy poses no threat to Canoe and he can ignore it for the most part. I know, I promised to butt out, but I can't help myself and I'll try to behave. He has 4 CVs that outgun yours and a fifth arriving. Soon it will not be a question of you forcing him into a carrier battle, it will be him forcing you. Beware.

There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK?

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 2:30:41 PM

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Seattle? SF? You don't have the oil to play around there, but what could you do if you did? This northern strategy poses no threat to Canoe and he can ignore it for the most part. I know, I promised to butt out, but I can't help myself and I'll try to behave. He has 4 CVs that outgun yours and a fifth arriving. Soon it will not be a question of you forcing him into a carrier battle, it will be him forcing you. Beware.

There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK?

But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no?

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 2:44:54 PM

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But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no?

My eyes ain't so good anymore.

I wish everybody used bigger letters.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 2:47:58 PM

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But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no?

My eyes ain't so good anymore. I wish everybody used bigger letters.

I like those letters. I'm at -10.5 diopters and have a nice little cataract garden coming up. I LOVE my 50s!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 5/7/2012 2:58:27 PM

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But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no?

My eyes ain't so good anymore. I wish everybody used bigger letters.

When you hit Strg and roll the mousewheel, you can increase the size of the website you are visiting!

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