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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 4:17:21 AM

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Quality of reinforcements that are being send to Voronezh area is poor, but at the moment it should do. 2 cav corps will spearhead my advance.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 4:20:36 AM

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Saper is nicely pushed back and have few regiments are encircled, but I guess my attacking units will soon face tougher oppositions - both German mountain divisions are here.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 6:42:02 PM

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He looks to have many regiments and I assume this was done to take advantage of the Reserve rules. Could you provide some details on how many battles you are seeing him trigger Reserves and how much this is affecting your overall plans? Thanks!

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 7:11:39 PM

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quote:

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He looks to have many regiments and I assume this was done to take advantage of the Reserve rules. Could you provide some details on how many battles you are seeing him trigger Reserves and how much this is affecting your overall plans? Thanks!

German reserves appear in few battles only (1 per 15-20), and usually it is whole division.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/31/2012 2:47:19 AM

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T27 south (German)

None significant withdrawals almost along whole front - hex here or there, with exception of area north of Stalino.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/31/2012 2:58:51 AM

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I have question. In lots of battles my sappers do not do their job properly. 3 sapper regiments and eng value 0, is it normal?

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/31/2012 3:24:10 AM

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T27 north (Soviet)

Not exactly the most successful winter offensive here.

But to be honest I am not worried.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/31/2012 3:32:38 AM

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I am very pleased with developments in Moscoe area.

Saper is pushed out of initial defensive line and numerous cavalry formations are able to lock his units in ZOCs. Herding has began

Push towards Tula looks promising.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/31/2012 3:38:05 AM

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T27 centre/south (Soviet)

I keep applying pressure and sending reinforcements. They are low quality unfortunately so impact of new troops' arrival is limited.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/31/2012 3:42:45 AM

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T27 south (Soviet)

Temptation is too big. I will try my luck and attempt to trap Saper forces against the sea.

Most of the units that were marching west changed direction of advance towards south-west.

Unfortunately important attack just east of Stalino was beaten back (this is the screen-shot with eng value 0 despite 3 sapper regiments), but I don not loose hope. Mental stimulation provides fact of capturing 20k Germans.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 1:19:44 AM

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T28 north/centre (German)

Very little happened in north and centre. Few tank brigades were punished and German forces in eastern part of Tula bulge moved 1-2 hexes west.

Predictably exposed German position west of Moscow was half-abandoned.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 1:22:41 AM

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T28 south (German)

Vicious counter-attacks south of Voroshilovgrad pushed several of my cavalry corps and divisions back east and reopened one pocket. Commitment of mountain division made the difference.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 2:27:17 AM

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Every unsuccessful attack makes my position worse.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 2:31:35 AM

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T28 centre (Soviet)

I keep pushing west and south-west. Speed of slower than I would like it to be, but I am not without successes that turn - minor pocket was created in the west and next turn I expect to be able to catch fee more regiments in Tula area.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 2:34:31 AM

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Somehow I was able to herd nice bunch of units back to Voronezh. Things are looking bright here.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 2:40:53 AM

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Intensive fighting here.

I somehow managed to encircle mountain division that was punishing em so severely during German part of this turn.
After 3 waves of air bombardment and scouting attack of tank brigade I managed to push it east. Hurrah.

In the mean time I gained some ground near Stalino I kept sending forces west.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/3/2012 2:45:23 AM

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December gone and still long to way to go before I bring Saper forces below 3M men. If I won't I will face real challenge in '42 - I keep cannibalising my troops, and not only brigades but divisions as well so I might not be able to lay proper carpet when summer comes.

T25-28 losses

Axis - 328k
Soviet - 395k

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/6/2012 5:01:54 AM

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German Deliberate Attacks

Number of German deliberate attacks each turn - according to battle report

Weather
Turn - attacks - held

clear

2 - 39/3
3 - 19/3
4 - 19/4

5 - 42/5
6 - 36/2
7 - 22/2

8 - 19/2
9 - 11/0
10 - 11/0

11 - 12/2
12 - 19/0
13 - 10/0

14 - 12/1
15 - 14/1
16 - 17/3
17 - 30/2

mud

18 - 3/1

19,20,21 - no attacks

snow

22 - 2/0
23 - 1/0
24 - 1/0

blizzard - December

25 - none
26 - 3/0
27 - 1/0
28 - 12/3

blizzard - January

29 - 7/1
30 - 8/0
31 - 8/1

32 - 9/1
33 - 8/0

blizzard - February

34 - 15/0

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/6/2012 9:23:22 PM

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Looks like the front is pretty thin on both sides, with so many brigades and regiments having to be up front, sometimes with no neighbor directly tied on their sides.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/6/2012 9:26:03 PM

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The Soviet player should be careful not to burn himself out during the blizzard; the war won't be won or lost just on what happens here.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:29:10 AM

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The Soviet player should be careful not to burn himself out during the blizzard; the war won't be won or lost just on what happens here.

I try to make myself remember that, but it is not that easy when opportunities to encircles enemy units arise.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 11:11:53 AM

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T29 south (German)

December gone and Axis blizzard fighting proficiency has increased.

In the centre, Saper conducts few attacks against paratroopers and tank brigades - nothing significant, plus accelerates his withdrawal from Tula bulge.

It is south where Germans are very active again. During the course of fighting he manages to free encircled units and beat my advancing forces badly.

Initial and final odds of battles in the south:
(Ger/Sov)

19/6 -> 33/4 (8,4:1)
17/28 -> 46/12 (3,8:1)
65/50 -> 45/21 (2,1:1)
38/64 -> 68/26 (2,5:1)
19/41 -> 50/13 (3,7:1)

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 12:00:14 PM

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Keep on pushing! A good time to stop is early February.
Not seeing a lot of RR Brigs doing RR repair. You're going to need good supply lines come summer to keep what you gain now...

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:21:46 PM

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Keep on pushing! A good time to stop is early February.
Not seeing a lot of RR Brigs doing RR repair. You're going to need good supply lines come summer to keep what you gain now...

RRs are unfortunately lagging behind

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:24:44 PM

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T29 north (Soviet)

Stalemate.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:32:11 PM

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T29 centre (Soviet)

Situation west of Moscow is not as good as it might seem. I destroyed pocketed units - 6 inf regiments, 22000 soldiers overall and push further along the line, but to be honest I do not see too many encircling opportunities in the future.

It was bad turn in the south - Tula bulge proves to be harder nut to crack than I previously though it would be. Crucial attack west of city was beaten back and my northern pincer was brought to a halt. Not good.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:36:52 PM

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I closed distance to withdrawing German forces plus managed to penetrate a bit to the wast. Nothing conclusive.

As it could have been predicted Voronezh was captured and 20000 surrendered - 1 inf divisions plus 2 inf regiments.

To my great surprise I somehow managed to create tiny pocket east of Belogrod. I didn't expect that, nice bonus.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:42:09 PM

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T29 south (Soviet)

Presence of German mountain divisions restricts my actions. I decided to avoid confrontation and kept pushing along the flanks. I didn't have enough MP to lock Saper's units properly in ZOCs, so I do not expect much in forthcoming turns.

Further south Rostov was surrounded and should fall soon.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 2:56:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kamil

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Keep on pushing! A good time to stop is early February.
Not seeing a lot of RR Brigs doing RR repair. You're going to need good supply lines come summer to keep what you gain now...

RRs are unfortunately lagging behind

The farther they lag behind, the more difficult it will be to get replacements and keep the offensive going.
As mentioned, it will also determine to a large degrede where you can hold in the summer (or try too).
I'd invest in a few extra RR brigs...

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 6/7/2012 3:35:39 PM

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quote:

glvaca

quote:

Kamil

quote:

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Keep on pushing! A good time to stop is early February.
Not seeing a lot of RR Brigs doing RR repair. You're going to need good supply lines come summer to keep what you gain now...

RRs are unfortunately lagging behind

The farther they lag behind, the more difficult it will be to get replacements and keep the offensive going.
As mentioned, it will also determine to a large degrede where you can hold in the summer (or try too).
I'd invest in a few extra RR brigs...

I think I have something between 20 to 25. I don't want to make more because of manpower shortage.

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