Apollo11
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ORIGINAL: Heisenberg Good rus film Они сражались за Родину фильм 2 / They Fought for Their Land http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWwVex6Y-tg&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1 Two good but rather hard to watch Soviet WWII movies (i.e. they are not for everyone): "My name is Ivan" ("Ivanovo detstvo") by Andrey Tarkovskiy from 1962! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056111/combined "Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri") by Elem Klimov from 1985! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined Indeed. It is a little mistake in my view to consider the Eastern Front to be under-represented, movie-wise - it's first and foremost Soviet filmmaking about the topic which is grossly underrated, or sometimes completely ignored. The theater didn't need a thousand hollow movies, just a dozen great Soviet movies which catch the whole feeling so much better than any average western movie about the thing - movies from the western allies tend to be about soldiers more than about war, and that's understandable considering our own experience. "Come and See" is a masterpiece on this aspect. Some others, like "The dawns are quite here" (link to imdb) focus on other topics brilliantly, ans grasp your breath and your heart like no other. Often, these movies are from books masterly written in a way only a Russian soul may convey, however red it may be. Make no mistake, it's not because it was made in a certain era that it is deprived of all the sensitiveness, all the emotion, all the melancholy and fatality you may expect from a Russian heart and its work of art. And, to come to the defense of the above-mentioned Stalingrad, what the movie lacks in rhythm, it is certainly not lacking in authenticity. I know some may say that the last dozens minutes are boring, but seriously, the only objective reason why you'd be incline to praise a boring patrol moment of Das Boot more than an escape from the Kessel is Klaus Doldinger's music. No offense intended, I like them both, and they are great allegories of that big mess of a waste. You'll feel the cries, the agony, the revolt in every soviet movie about the war. Now feel what the German side felt when the snow slowly eats down what remains of the last soldier of the movie, just like Russia and the steppes chewed down the Wehrmacht to its last bits. Das Boot and Stalingrad are about how war wastes lives of good men in a crazy gamble against all odds, and I do find them equally admirable in their own way. But at the same time, don't forget to have a look at what the Russians have to say about their own rape - watch three or four movies, you'll see how the Eastern Front, when it comes to movies, is already quite well served with talent. Unfortunately post WWII USSR war movies tend to be in two "flavors": #1 Pure communist propaganda (most of the post WWII USSR war movies were like that) films that had almost no historical value (similar to many post WWII USSR war book and official histories which were almost all heavily "beautified" and which can not be regarded as objective historical books at all). The shining examples is: "Liberation" ("Osvobozhdenie") series (5 movies): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151852/ More info here as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_%28film_series%29 #2 Artistic movies by some great directors that dealt with individual persons rather than "big picture" - those are usually great and very worth watching! The best examples, IMHO, are (as I already wrote): "My name is Ivan" ("Ivanovo detstvo") by Andrey Tarkovskiy from 1962! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056111/combined "Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri") by Elem Klimov from 1985! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined Leo "Apollo11"
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