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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 1:46:07 PM   
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Another good day:

Ground combat at Katherine (76,128)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27026 troops, 619 guns, 847 vehicles, Assault Value = 1333

Defending force 14224 troops, 189 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 286

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 2075

Japanese adjusted defense: 184

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Katherine !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5874 casualties reported
Squads: 223 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 95 destroyed, 56 disabled
Engineers: 74 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 122 (103 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 56 (56 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2


Allied ground losses:
402 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Motor Brigade
3rd Army Tank Brigade
3rd Motor Brigade
9th Australian Brigade
6th Australian Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
18th British Division
205th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
108th Tank Attack Regiment
NW Australia Base Force
1st Medium Regiment

Defending units:
20th Division
38th/C Division



Yes, I'd say JJ is on the run in Northern Oz. Another division and 1/3rd wrecked. Look at the unadjusted AV for the IJA, 286. Isn't that low for an IJA division and attached regiment? Perhaps they were understrength?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 1:54:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		So it is possible to push a large ground force up the track from Alice. Here is what we did. We built up Tennant to about 5K supply and then staged C-47's there to airdrop to the forward troops. That eventually ran out, but by then, Gove was built up to level 2 and we could fly directly to the trops at Katherine from there.

Also, Alice had about 100K supply. Some was undoubtedly trickling North but we never got Daly out of the red, even with no aircraft staged there.

JJ really should have been going after our ground troops at Katherine by air even before we landed at Darwin.

I think they are shell-shocked right now. No real counterattacks since the last cruiser raid at Darwin.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 1:59:48 PM   
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I will push down the rail line from Darwin to establish a supply link with Katherine. I would say we let the restricted Australian troops go after the defeated rabble and you save Br. 18th Div for your Sumatra thingy. I started Aus I Corps prepping for Sumatra...change targets if you wish.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 2:04:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		That sounds like a plan. 18th Br Div will advance up to Darwin and refit, rest and plan.

A small garrison will remain at K and the rest of the Aussies pursue the remaining LYBs.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 2:19:38 PM   
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Look at the unadjusted AV for the IJA, 286. Isn't that low for an IJA division and attached regiment? Perhaps they were understrength?


Very low. Probably 1/3 strength for the Division, now probably at 20% strength after the retreat. Note the disruption combat modifier-almost assuredly from the aerial, naval and land bombardments.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 2:44:42 PM   
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Saumlaki: Just reached level 1 airfield. There is no aviation ground support yet but you can get single engine fighters to fly for a few turns without support so I sent in some P-40's. The galloping horde is headed back to Saumlaki to unload the dozers and CD guns and supplies. A USAAF HQ unit is flying in to Saumlaki to get some emergency ground support. The Air HQ units are nice for air redeployment as they have no heavy equipment. LYB bombers go after the PT boats at Saumlaki and are intercepted.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Saumlaki at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 17


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PT-174

One of the amphibious groups headed for Saumlaki is attacked by unescorted Helens and picks up a few P-40K's overhead.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Selaroe at 78,118

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK James Schureman
xAK Juan Cabrillo

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 2:56:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Darwin: JJ left 55K supplies behind in Darwin...and some personal items at The Virra. Airfield maint. is 100% destroyed. Seventh Air Force HQ and 4 Bn of SeaBees are headed to Darwin.

Dobo: The B-25's from Merauke are suppressing the airfield and the port to make it difficult to evacuate the IJA troops there.

Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-25C Mitchell x 22


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19

Port Headrand: This has got to be like being posted to the Eastern Front if you are in the IJA. Our last attack was 1:9. The LYB's don't give up easy. I wonder if they are drawing suppries from Broome? We could surround them but then the little buggers would NEVER give up. This is a typical day at PH:


Morning Air attack on Port Hedland , at 57,129

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
Mitchell II x 4
Bolingbroke IV x 11
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-25C Mitchell x 42
B-26 Marauder x 6
B-26B Marauder x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled



Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 3:10:39 PM   
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Man in fine linen slacks: <on phone> Yes General, I do realize the Emperor has only so many men, even in Scenario 2

......


Yes, yes, I quite understand, but our contracts only specified that M&M Intelligence Division would supply attack warnings for air or naval attacks. You didn't buy the premium package which includes land attacks.


......

No, no, it quite clearly limits our obligations. Don't you chaps have a legal team or something?

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I can recommend a firm, yes. I'll have them call you. Now, the Premium Package does include land attack warnings and strategic assessments but we are offering a special discount on our Premium Ultra which includes Counter-Intelligence services.

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Yes, Counter-Intelligence would include your efforts to discern what the Arries are secretly discovering about your operations.


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No afraid not, General, I can't disclose from where the Arries would get that kind of information. That would be, what we call in the West, a "confrict of interest".

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 3:10:44 PM   
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392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


In my opinion, I judge the time to execute the ground phase when the destroyed squads start increasing ... it is my understanding that ground attacks by air platforms first disable squads and then kill a few and then the disabled sqauds start down the path of destruction. One can bomb forever .. but I feel once I start getting 25%/75% results on comabt sqauds like 4 destroyed / 12 disabled like your non-combat squads results .. then it is time to start thinking deliberate attacks .. just my .02 ..

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 3:19:38 PM   
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392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


In my opinion, I judge the time to execute the ground phase when the destroyed squads start increasing ... it is my understanding that ground attacks by air platforms first disable squads and then kill a few and then the disabled sqauds start down the path of destruction. One can bomb forever .. but I feel once I start getting 25%/75% results on comabt sqauds like 4 destroyed / 12 disabled like your non-combat squads results .. then it is time to start thinking deliberate attacks .. just my .02 ..



Hmm... interesting. This is like trading recipes for beer bottle roasted chicken or pulled pork.



****************Port Hedrand, slit trench, 08;45, Jan 7, 1943(c)***************


IJA private 1: <looks up into the sky. There is the drone of bombers> Ah, here come the ******* Boringbrokes again.

IJA private 2: I feer rike ******* piece of Kobe beef on ******* rotisserie.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 3:44:03 PM   
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The some lady in a white Lexus honks at me. I hate it when people interrupt me when I am doing the dog whisperer thing. Anyone want a Rottweiler/Chihuahua/Spaniel/Greyound/Terrier/Demon Seed mix?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 3:53:35 PM   
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(along with 76 other signs and banners)

Round Eyed Scum, especiarry Asian scum who side with Round eyed scum.
You sux. We seldom give your bombers a grance as they cannot hit sand with a bomb. We laugh when you staff kangaroo and think it us. Rord Admirar Sprior, we find your picture on schoor annuar and laugh at your pointy elephant years. You especially ugry, even for round eye scum. We wait patientry for you to attack. We all die for Emperor and take round eye scum imperiarists with us. As said in movie, Come and get us, copper!

Port Hedrand Emperor Own Household Guard

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 4:00:27 PM   
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.... Rord Admirar Sprior, we find your picture on schoor annuar and laugh at your pointy elephant years. You especially ugry, even for round eye scum. ......



Hory Crap! That make me raugh.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 4:05:02 PM   
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392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


In my opinion, I judge the time to execute the ground phase when the destroyed squads start increasing ... it is my understanding that ground attacks by air platforms first disable squads and then kill a few and then the disabled sqauds start down the path of destruction. One can bomb forever .. but I feel once I start getting 25%/75% results on comabt sqauds like 4 destroyed / 12 disabled like your non-combat squads results .. then it is time to start thinking deliberate attacks .. just my .02 ..



Hmm... interesting. This is like trading recipes for beer bottle roasted chicken or pulled pork.



****************Port Hedrand, slit trench, 08;45, Jan 7, 1943(c)***************


IJA private 1: <looks up into the sky. There is the drone of bombers> Ah, here come the ******* Boringbrokes again.

IJA private 2: I feer rike ******* piece of Kobe beef on ******* rotisserie.


I am of the ilk of preparing my host using 4E's to the level medium rare before I send in the infantry/armor but others might suggest more on the medium / medium well side ...

The Allies in real life learned a harsh lesson at Tarawa and when Nimitz attacked Saipan and the Marianas .. 4E's 2E's and CV aircraft bombed for a week along with BB's letting loose .. still the IJ had not been prepared properly and the whole thing was kind of messy ...

Its a fine line but medium rare sort of works .. unles you have all day and decide to use the cock-pot method of months of 4E attacks

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 6:17:02 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 6:42:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		IMO, the bomber stream's effects on LCUs is most evidenced by effect on AAA units, support staff and supply. LCUs in supply will hold out a very, very long time. JJ's supply status at Darwin suggests that there is a fair amount in theatre in N. Australia in at least *some* locations.

Do you have any insight into the supply level of JJ's LCUs at Port Headland? Until you get some indication that supplies have diminished (e.g., negative combat modifiers during combat report), I'd hold off on the deliberate attack there.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 6:43:13 PM   
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Not sure I want anything to do with something stewed in a "cock pot" ...


Confucius say: Cock pot good prace to wok pinhead dog.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 7:26:06 PM   
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IMO, the bomber stream's effects on LCUs is most evidenced by effect on AAA units, support staff and supply. LCUs in supply will hold out a very, very long time. JJ's supply status at Darwin suggests that there is a fair amount in theatre in N. Australia in at least *some* locations.

Do you have any insight into the supply level of JJ's LCUs at Port Headland? Until you get some indication that supplies have diminished (e.g., negative combat modifiers during combat report), I'd hold off on the deliberate attack there.


yes I noted for me in China that as supplies are nil so is the flak repsonse ... and I am assuming you are connecting supply with disablement recovery? Thus indicators of highly disabled troops might not be relavent for future turns?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 8:04:54 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 8:22:56 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 8:32:38 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 8:33:47 PM   
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Where's Padang?


Sumatra .. hex 44,85 .. port (1) airbase (5) ...




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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 8:37:57 PM   
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Pranning is fun, for a change.

Benkoelen and Padang are two possible choices for SW Sumatra landings. Both have existing small airstrips whihc are crucial to have quickly so the carriers dont have to be subjected to LBA for too long.

Two islands offshore are still green dots and are buildable to level 6 but with crappy ports






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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 8:41:53 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 9:02:43 PM   
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Bloody hell, that's a big leap from Darwin.


Always with the negative waves. Why not move Aus I corps to Perth or Ceylon and take off from there? It's gonna take at lest 50 days. They could move by transport to Perth, disembark, rest, then load on an amphib taffy.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 9:06:46 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/16/2012 9:09:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Colombo is a bit closer to Sumatra but then it's a God awful ride to get to Colombo. If you came in from the South you might have to loop around to the West of Cocos Is to avoid JJ recon.

Best to go East through the Torres St on the first lift I think.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/17/2012 1:02:25 AM   
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Yeah, I know there is no hyphen, but it makes me grit my teeth every time someone [including many newscasters] pronounce it "submarine-er". I put the hyphen in so that readers would keep the word "mariner" intact.


Actually, I've read (in O'Kane's books) that the preferred pronunciation accents the I, since keeping the normal pronunciation of mariner implies that the guys are less than full mariners. What say the rest of you with modern naval experience?


We just called them "Guys with Dolphins," in order to distinguish them from airedales and boat drivers...


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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/17/2012 1:15:55 AM   
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So I am out walking the dogs and Pinhead sees a rabbit and goes nuts. She pulls at the leash for second and then clamps down on my older Labs ear. The poor thing is whelping in pain. I yank on Pinheads leash and she won't let go so I kick her in the haunches and she lets go but she is still snarling so I kick her a few more times..not hard, just a demonstration, although I admit I was pissed and felt like selling her to the Vietnamese BBQ.

The some lady in a white Lexus honks at me. I hate it when people interrupt me when I am doing the dog whisperer thing. Anyone want a Rottweiler/Chihuahua/Spaniel/Greyound/Terrier/Demon Seed mix?



I think I found a home for pinhead:






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RE: Hearts and Minds - 6/17/2012 4:30:28 AM   
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Pranning is fun, for a change.

Benkoelen and Padang are two possible choices for SW Sumatra landings. Both have existing small airstrips whihc are crucial to have quickly so the carriers dont have to be subjected to LBA for too long.

Two islands offshore are still green dots and are buildable to level 6 but with crappy ports






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Geeze, now you're pranning?

Well, in that case, I'd vote for Benkoelen.

Here's my rationale (not that I really have any clue.)

A randing on Sumatra makes sense if you pran to exproit the initiar randing to expand your hordings and gain a major strategic rong-term advantage.

The strategic wealth of Sumatra is centered in Palembang and Oosthaven (lotsa oir and other goodies).

Benkoelen has access to a sophisticated road network that promises more rapid travel and is much closer to those objectives for an army in a conquerin' frame of mind; Padang does not. Most of Sumatra north of Palembang is strategically worthless if your goal is driving to Japan.

So, if you want to hurt JJ badly by swiping his vital resources I'd go for for Benkoelen first, then rapidly nail Palembang, and finally wheel south to Oosthaven.

Of course, if you just want to make some headlines by capturing a strategically unimportant minor city from JJ (kinda like McArthur's 40+ amphibious invasions of the Southern Phillipines after conquering Luzon when the real prize of Japan was located 180 degrees in the opposite direction), then Padang is a much safer bet due to its isolation.

I say go for his oil.





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