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Intelligence option - 6/25/2012 4:45:46 PM

Edfactor

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How is this going to work?

I don't like the rule myself, because I object to modifying weather and turn end die rolls. In the rule book it is worded something like "there are some die rolls players may not want to allow to be rerolled" or something like that, but its left up to the players to decide which ones.

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/25/2012 6:04:23 PM

Beryl

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On modifying weather and turn's end, many players have the same opinion, raisonning that it is impossible to change the length of the month or summon good or bad weather by magic, but it is a matter of taste and perception of the game mechanisms
For example, one can wifzen that :

DDay was a situation were Germany had checked that the next weather roll was 1 (Storm) and no invasion could occur this impulse but the allies took the risk and changed it to rain, with -1 odd level. This simulates better weather forecasting on the Channel for one side (weather comming mainly from the west Atlantic).
IMHO there was no rain during DDay itself, but the naval and air bombing was mostly innefficient (like in rain) and the troops were subject to sea sickness because of the previous storm

In M/J 41, Germany had initiative and attacked by surprise on the nearly last impulse (21 june), but changed the turn end to insure that USSR could not react this turn (Stalin out of office for several days), allowing for a double move and a major breakthrough in July

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/25/2012 6:54:01 PM

Shannon V. OKeets

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edfactor

How is this going to work?

I don't like the rule myself, because I object to modifying weather and turn end die rolls. In the rule book it is worded something like "there are some die rolls players may not want to allow to be rerolled" or something like that, but its left up to the players to decide which ones.

I doubt that this option can be programmed. Maybe - if significant chances are made to the way the rule is implemented.

The basic difficulty is that any players with available intelligence pointw could 'use' them before any die roll. So, before rolling any die the program would have to ask players a Do/Don't quesion. That would grow tedious almost immediately.

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/25/2012 7:57:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Edfactor

How is this going to work?

I don't like the rule myself, because I object to modifying weather and turn end die rolls. In the rule book it is worded something like "there are some die rolls players may not want to allow to be rerolled" or something like that, but its left up to the players to decide which ones.

I doubt that this option can be programmed. Maybe - if significant chances are made to the way the rule is implemented.

The basic difficulty is that any players with available intelligence pointw could 'use' them before any die roll. So, before rolling any die the program would have to ask players a Do/Don't quesion. That would grow tedious almost immediately.

It was prposed a couple of times that a command be available in a drop down menu, where a player would say "I want to use intell on my next roll", or "on next German roll", so that the game knows that on next said roll he has to ask the player who selected the command if he wants to add +1, -1 or 0 to the roll.

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/25/2012 11:42:37 PM

Edfactor

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edfactor

How is this going to work?

I don't like the rule myself, because I object to modifying weather and turn end die rolls. In the rule book it is worded something like "there are some die rolls players may not want to allow to be rerolled" or something like that, but its left up to the players to decide which ones.

I doubt that this option can be programmed. Maybe - if significant chances are made to the way the rule is implemented.

The basic difficulty is that any players with available intelligence pointw could 'use' them before any die roll. So, before rolling any die the program would have to ask players a Do/Don't quesion. That would grow tedious almost immediately.

Thats good, like I said I do not like the rule. And as you point out it is even more tedious on a comuter game.

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/25/2012 11:49:55 PM

warspite1

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I would just like to say that i have never played with intelligence.....

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/26/2012 12:19:23 AM

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I would just like to say that i have never played with intelligence.....

I did once.
But I didn't inhale!!!!

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/26/2012 9:39:29 AM

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I would just like to say that i have never played with intelligence.....

I did once.
But I didn't inhale!!!!

I worked in Intelligence,

Which explains a lot!

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RE: Intelligence option - 6/28/2012 6:58:34 PM

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I would just like to say that i have never played with intelligence.....

A lot of players have said that about you

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RE: Intelligence option - 7/4/2012 4:10:33 AM

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We played it once. We found it to be too powerful. In the end, everyone was pouring build points into intel, leaving units unbuilt.

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RE: Intelligence option - 7/4/2012 8:22:01 AM

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I would just like to say that i have never played with intelligence.....

A lot of players have said that about you

Bo

Naughty boy!!!

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RE: Intelligence option - 7/4/2012 8:43:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: bo

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I would just like to say that i have never played with intelligence.....

A lot of players have said that about you

Bo

Naughty boy!!!

Warspite1

Er...I think my self-deprecating joke got lost in translation

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RE: Intelligence option - 7/4/2012 12:21:57 PM

Joseignacio

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Thought it was a lapse of yours...

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RE: Intelligence option - 7/4/2012 1:35:36 PM

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Thought it was a lapse of yours...

Warspite1

No I hoped the ...... at the end of the sentence would have given it away without resorting to a smiley face which would have spoilt the effect. Wish I'd gone for the smiley face now....or better still not bothered mentioning it....

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RE: Intelligence option - 7/4/2012 3:25:12 PM

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Thought it was a lapse of yours...

Warspite1

No I hoped the ...... at the end of the sentence would have given it away without resorting to a smiley face which would have spoilt the effect. Wish I'd gone for the smiley face now....or better still not bothered mentioning it....