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IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 6:46:19 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		I had a player ask me for a few additional IJN CV Names. My knowledge of Japanese is ZERO and would like to see if anyone could come up with anything? Japanese CVs were named after birds or mythical creatures. If you have an idea, please Post with the name ie Shokaku and its translation 'Flying Crane.'


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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 8:19:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Firstly, the historical ones, they were named after mythical creatures or birds at first, but it appears that towards the end of the war a large number were being named for mountains (especially holy ones):

DRAGON:
Ryujo: "Prancing Dragon"
Soryu: "Blue Dragon"
Hiryu: "Flying Dragon"
Unryu: "Cloud Dragon"

CRANE:
Shokaku: "Flying Crane"
Zuikaku: "Fortunate Crane"

PHOENIX:
Hosho: "Flying Phoenix"
Zuiho: "Fortunate Phoenix"
Shoho: "Auspicious Phoenix"
Taiho: "Great Phoenix"
Ryuho: "Dragon Phoenix"

HAWK:
Taiyo: "Goshawk"
Chuyo: "Soaring Hawk"
Unyo: "Cleaving Hawk"
Hiyo: "Flying Hawk"

PLACES:
Akagi: Mount Akagi
Kaga: Kaga Province
Amagi: Mount Amagi
Katsuragi: Mount Katsuragi
Kasagi: Mount Kasagi
Aso: Mount Aso


Might I suggest the following for Japanese carriers named after sacred shrines and places:

"Fuji", "Tate", "Haku", "Taisen", "Kaimon", "Koya", "Izumo", "Kumano".

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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 8:25:34 AM   
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< Message edited by Puhis -- 1/5/2012 8:26:01 AM >

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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 8:29:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I had a player ask me for a few additional IJN CV Names. My knowledge of Japanese is ZERO and would like to see if anyone could come up with anything? Japanese CVs were named after birds or mythical creatures. If you have an idea, please Post with the name ie Shokaku and its translation 'Flying Crane.'



lol, I love the moments when I'm bitten in the ass for being a non native English speaker because the first thing that came to my mind was "wth why did they name it Flying crane?" as I've thought about this, a "flying crane":





just to figure out the next moment they meant a bird of course.


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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 8:37:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

Might I suggest the following for Japanese carriers named after sacred shrines and places:

"Fuji", "Tate", "Haku", "Taisen", "Kaimon", "Koya", "Izumo", "Kumano".


During WWII, Izumo was old training cruiser.

Kumano is a Mogami-class cruiser.

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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 9:58:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you want some more traditional names, here are the names of some mythical places/creatures that follow the common naming traditions of the Japanese at the time:

Seiryu (azure dragon)
Suzaku (vermillion bird; Red bird – another name for the phoenix)
Zuiryu (auspicious dragon - a modern Soryu-class submarine of the same name exists)
Kenryu (sword dragon - a modern Soryu-class submarine of the same name exists)
Hakuryu (white dragon - a modern Soryu-class submarine of the same name exists)
Shiryu (the 4 dragon kings)
Shinryu (Spirit Dragon - NB! this was also used to name rocket-propelled kamikaze planes)
Kuzuryu (nine-headed dragon)
Ryugu (the undersea palace of Ryugin, the dragon god of the sea.)

Remember that in some cases, the Japanese simply recycled the names of older ships – before WWI, it seemed there was no guideline as to what kind of ship was named how – this is reflected in that many later warships reused names carried by a variety of 19th century vessels – Akagi, Hiei, Hosho, Ryujo, Katsuragi, etc.:

Tenryu (Heavenly dragon – the original Tenryu was sunk in late 1942, so why not recycle the name and use it for a carrier - one of the Unryu's, for example?)
Choyo
Chinyen (means: “striking from a long distance” – quite a fitting name for a carrier, no?)
Saiyen (means: “help from a distance”)

< Message edited by Hiltibrant -- 1/5/2012 10:02:20 AM >

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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 3:13:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: castor troy

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I had a player ask me for a few additional IJN CV Names. My knowledge of Japanese is ZERO and would like to see if anyone could come up with anything? Japanese CVs were named after birds or mythical creatures. If you have an idea, please Post with the name ie Shokaku and its translation 'Flying Crane.'



lol, I love the moments when I'm bitten in the ass for being a non native English speaker because the first thing that came to my mind was "wth why did they name it Flying crane?" as I've thought about this, a "flying crane":





just to figure out the next moment they meant a bird of course.



Castor: You CRACK me up! Nearly spewed my tea when I read/saw this!

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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 3:14:52 PM   
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RE: IJN CV Names - 1/5/2012 5:27:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Open up the Iron Man Japan scenario. It has a slew of additional ahistorical CVs in it. A good source for CV names.

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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/3/2012 11:02:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I had a player ask me for a few additional IJN CV Names. My knowledge of Japanese is ZERO and would like to see if anyone could come up with anything? Japanese CVs were named after birds or mythical creatures. If you have an idea, please Post with the name ie Shokaku and its translation 'Flying Crane.'



lol, I love the moments when I'm bitten in the ass for being a non native English speaker because the first thing that came to my mind was "wth why did they name it Flying crane?" as I've thought about this, a "flying crane":





just to figure out the next moment they meant a bird of course.



Ahaha That just made me LOL at work. Drew some looks.
Made me think of this sign in Japan.




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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/3/2012 11:13:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CT Grognard

Firstly, the historical ones, they were named after mythical creatures or birds at first, but it appears that towards the end of the war a large number were being named for mountains (especially holy ones):

DRAGON:
Ryujo: "Prancing Dragon"
Soryu: "Blue Dragon"
Hiryu: "Flying Dragon"
Unryu: "Cloud Dragon"

CRANE:
Shokaku: "Flying Crane"
Zuikaku: "Fortunate Crane"

PHOENIX:
Hosho: "Flying Phoenix"
Zuiho: "Fortunate Phoenix"
Shoho: "Auspicious Phoenix"
Taiho: "Great Phoenix"
Ryuho: "Dragon Phoenix"

HAWK:
Taiyo: "Goshawk"
Chuyo: "Soaring Hawk"
Unyo: "Cleaving Hawk"
Hiyo: "Flying Hawk"

PLACES:
Akagi: Mount Akagi
Kaga: Kaga Province
Amagi: Mount Amagi
Katsuragi: Mount Katsuragi
Kasagi: Mount Kasagi
Aso: Mount Aso


Might I suggest the following for Japanese carriers named after sacred shrines and places:

"Fuji", "Tate", "Haku", "Taisen", "Kaimon", "Koya", "Izumo", "Kumano".


I recall that the Akagi and Kaga were laid down as BCs, and since the Japanese inherited the British notion that its unlucky to change a ship's name they stuck with it.

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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/3/2012 11:24:39 PM   
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If you have an idea, please Post

If these are to be late war CV's what is the Japanese name for target?

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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/4/2012 12:00:53 AM   
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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/4/2012 1:37:51 AM   
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what was the name of the fourth Yamato hull?

was it Kii?

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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/4/2012 2:04:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Number 111 for hull #4. Hull #5 was ship 797. They were never named as far as I can tell.

Hull 111 was started, but scrapped early in construction, 797 was never started.

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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/4/2012 2:09:36 AM   
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Hull #4 could be included in some type of scenario

player can either build it (expecting the economy to do well)
, and complete it in mid-late 1945, or be stuck with a half-complete
elephant

or scrap it as they did historically

interesting how they scrapped yamato #4 and decided to build
copies of the Hiryu instead of zuikaku / taiho

almost like they knew that completing the more elaborate designs
would be too little, too late


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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/4/2012 4:53:38 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emperors_of_Japan


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RE: IJN CV Names - 7/5/2012 2:27:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hiltibrant

If you want some more traditional names, here are the names of some mythical places/creatures that follow the common naming traditions of the Japanese at the time:

Seiryu (azure dragon)
Suzaku (vermillion bird; Red bird – another name for the phoenix)
Zuiryu (auspicious dragon - a modern Soryu-class submarine of the same name exists)
Kenryu (sword dragon - a modern Soryu-class submarine of the same name exists)
Hakuryu (white dragon - a modern Soryu-class submarine of the same name exists)
Shiryu (the 4 dragon kings)
Shinryu (Spirit Dragon - NB! this was also used to name rocket-propelled kamikaze planes)
Kuzuryu (nine-headed dragon)
Ryugu (the undersea palace of Ryugin, the dragon god of the sea.)

Remember that in some cases, the Japanese simply recycled the names of older ships – before WWI, it seemed there was no guideline as to what kind of ship was named how – this is reflected in that many later warships reused names carried by a variety of 19th century vessels – Akagi, Hiei, Hosho, Ryujo, Katsuragi, etc.:

Tenryu (Heavenly dragon – the original Tenryu was sunk in late 1942, so why not recycle the name and use it for a carrier - one of the Unryu's, for example?)
Choyo
Chinyen (means: “striking from a long distance” – quite a fitting name for a carrier, no?)
Saiyen (means: “help from a distance”)


I avoided recycling of names in my mod for the simple reason is that in game, it is entirely possible to keep a ship from being sunk until game end. In which case you end up with 2 ships with the same name active.

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RE: IJN CV Names - 8/17/2012 10:09:35 PM   
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Tetsubo - War Club
Naginata - Various Polearms
Daikyu - Longbow
Hankyu - Shortbow (a CVL o CVE?)
Ya - Arrow
Kama - A scythe
Tsurugi - Double-edged sword
Odachi, Nodachi, Tachi - Long swords
Yari - Sword blade on a spear pole
Nagamaki - Dismounted Samurai spear for use against mounted Samurai


etc.


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RE: IJN CV Names - 9/24/2012 8:32:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CRations

Perhaps named after some of the past Emperors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emperors_of_Japan


CR

I'm not an expert, but I'm reasonably certain that the Japanese would never have named any ship after a deceased (or living) person, for a variety of reasons.

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RE: IJN CV Names - 9/24/2012 8:53:03 PM   
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I recall that the Akagi and Kaga were laid down as BCs, and since the Japanese inherited the British notion that its unlucky to change a ship's name they stuck with it.

Actually, Kaga was laid down as a Tosa-class BB. The original plan was to convert Akagi and her sister Amagi to CVs; however, Amagi was extensively damaged in the 1923 earthquake, so Kaga was selected instead. This fact accounts for some (though not all) of the design differences between the two carriers.



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