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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 8:19:20 AM   
obvert


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Status: offline 		Banzai!! Nicely done.

I'd say Lex is done and Yorktown in a bad way. If you saw engine damage messages on Enterprise or Hornet they might be a while getting anywhere safe. The damage control can keep them going for days at critical levels though so a follow-up would be advisable. He has a lot of surface elements untouched there though. I would be wary of a charge at flank toward your ships.

Do you have any LBA in range? Also, do you have surface forces following with the KB? Even getting the damaged CVs engaged could help them over the top. With that kind of damage he'll have to move out in cruise so you most likely have time to catch them. I would pull the KB back now, try to get them refueled and go back for them, especially if you are closer to your bases they they to theirs. I'd also throw every sub within range in front of his retreat path. Slow CVs are big targets.

Strange the low CAP numbers for the Allies. Assuming he launched before your strike that is also a VERY small attack from that many Allied CVs.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 10:06:34 AM   
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Banzai!! Nicely done.

I'd say Lex is done and Yorktown in a bad way. If you saw engine damage messages on Enterprise or Hornet they might be a while getting anywhere safe. The damage control can keep them going for days at critical levels though so a follow-up would be advisable.

+1

Bring your fuel closer if you have at least 1 more raid worth of bombs, I would go for it. You need to kill the cripples, bombs will do fine against CV/CA's.

You had some good luck here (thunderstorms and you got through!), BANZAI!!!

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 1:16:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, there are Bettys (with torpedoes) and Zero escorts in the area set to attack. I also have three submarines set up along his line of retreat. There is a SAG with four cruisers that will be in position to intercept in a day.

KB is pulling back to refuel from the replenishment group which will take a day. I also note that the positions of Saratoga and Wasp are unknown, so I'm wary about charging after him. I'll see how things look once KB has the tanks topped up.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 1:23:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		He is a very aggressive player, so it would not surprise me if he sends his surviving cruisers and destroyers on a dash to try and catch my carriers at night.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 2:38:27 PM   
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Strange the low CAP numbers for the Allies. Assuming he launched before your strike that is also a VERY small attack from that many Allied CVs.


Something like setting planes on LRCAP rather than CAP reducing the number of responding aircraft or setting a whole bunch of planes on training .. but something very very bizzare for only 13 planes to defend .. and the numbers on the attack given clear weather leads me to think a huge Allied mistake ..this game punishes those that do not pay attention to details .

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 5:32:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opponent won't have time to run the replay and do his turn until tomorrow, but I told him there was a big battle in the Coral Sea. It turns out that he was sending his stuff up there to try to disrupt my landings at Buna and Lae (which was part of the bait). He says he did not know that my carriers were present.

All of my flight decks except Hiyo and Unyo (which are supporting the Timor operation) were in the Coral Sea area but he didn't know this. I saw his carriers, but he didn't see mine. Midway in reverse basically. We'll see if Allied Damage Control can save his fleet.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 5:35:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opponent is highly competent and aggressive and makes few mistakes. Something went badly awry for him in this battle.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 5:56:21 PM   
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All of my flight decks except Hiyo and Unyo (which are supporting the Timor operation) were in the Coral Sea area but he didn't know this. I saw his carriers, but he didn't see mine. Midway in reverse basically. We'll see if Allied Damage Control can save his fleet.


His CV's saw yours as you saw his ..

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rossel Island at 106,137
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 89



Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 30
SBD-2 Dauntless x 9
SBD-3 Dauntless x 39
TBD-1 Devastator x 27
.............

Otherwise I am thinking it would have been an afternoon attack after your planes attacked .. but instead an exchange occured ..

I am getting more convinced that groups were left in training mode thinking the big blue sea was empty .. nice hunting FDRLincoln!!!!

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 6:07:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well my thinking is that, operationally, he didn't know my carriers were there and wasn't prepared to face them.

Given how detail-oriented he usually is, I wouldn't expect him to have left his squadrons on training, but everyone can make a mistake.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 6:08:40 PM   
FDRLincoln


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Status: offline 		Maybe the thunderstorms in his hex disrupted his flight operations, but somehow didn't interfere with my attack?

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 7:13:06 PM   
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Maybe the thunderstorms in his hex disrupted his flight operations, but somehow didn't interfere with my attack?


What I have observed in the AAR's is that the TF's in the thunderstorms get added protection while the TF's sitting in the clear are dead ducks .. the opposite occured here. Way less platforms launched even on CAP thus why I suspect some training configuration like %30 training ... But the good news is that you caught your enemy flat footed and now the IJ can breathe .. unitl '44

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 7:36:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

Well my thinking is that, operationally, he didn't know my carriers were there and wasn't prepared to face them.

Given how detail-oriented he usually is, I wouldn't expect him to have left his squadrons on training, but everyone can make a mistake.


Mistakes definitely happen. Smeulders in our PBEM sent his Allied CV's on an attack against Japanese shipping at Lunga, not suspecting KB was around. No Allied naval air strikes flew, because all the carrier aircraft had been stood down and forgotten to be changed back. Luckily for him, KB ended up one hex too far away, otherwise it most likely would have been a massacre.

It's so easy to forget to change a setting in this game, especially if you let yourself get distracted.

Regardless, nice job with the ambush and reaping the reward from committing your forces according to plan!

< Message edited by SqzMyLemon -- 6/29/2012 6:49:55 PM >

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 7:37:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe...but Saratoga and Wasp are still out there, and I don't know for sure that all four of his CVs sunk...I suspect only two did. Still, his carrier force has suffered a severe blow, and this gives me some breathing room for several months at least.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/28/2012 7:38:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		He has been using the British Navy aggressively in the Burma Area, and I need to get some CVs out there to do something about that. I almost did this a week ago but decided to keep my carrier decks concentrated for the pending battle.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/29/2012 6:39:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opponent says Lexington is sunk, Yorktown will probably sink. Enterprise is on fire and may or may not survive. Hornet will make it unless she runs into a submarine.

He also says that he screwed up his combat orders due to work exhaustion. He is not asking for a replay, but he is discouraged and is thinking about resigning the game. I am trying to talk him out of it. He says if he loses all four CVs, that he can't stop me from an auto-victory.

I am trying to talk him out of it. His situation isn't as bad as he thinks. He still has Saratoga and Wasp, plus his surface fleets are in great shape...he hasn't lost a single modern US destroyer or cruiser. My supply lines in Burma and southern China are weak, and he's already attritted my merchant marine enough that I have a shortage of tankers and APs.

I really want to keep this game going.


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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/29/2012 7:00:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

He is not asking for a replay, but he is discouraged and is thinking about resigning the game. I am trying to talk him out of it. He says if he loses all four CVs, that he can't stop me from an auto-victory.

I am trying to talk him out of it. His situation isn't as bad as he thinks. He still has Saratoga and Wasp, plus his surface fleets are in great shape...he hasn't lost a single modern US destroyer or cruiser. My supply lines in Burma and southern China are weak, and he's already attritted my merchant marine enough that I have a shortage of tankers and APs.

I really want to keep this game going.


I hope he will continue as well. The Allied side can weather a few defeats far better then the Japanese can. Even without CV's, the Allies have many options to strike back, even if it means simply a land campaign in Burma for awhile, or relying on a bombing campaign until the fleet recovers.

Myself, who almost a PBEM because of the lack of fun (not because of a defeat) and finding out I loathe playing Japan with PDU-off, I can empathize with your opponent. There are numerous AAR's where opponents have encountered serious setbacks on both sides recently. Perhaps point a few of those out to your opponent, and maybe he'll take heart seeing how others are coping and adjusting. There's lots of game left, it's too soon to throw in his cards.

I hope the game moves forward.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/29/2012 7:12:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he resigns, I may ask to see if someone else will take over the game from him.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 6/30/2012 3:01:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		After some encouragement, my opponent will continue the game. He still has 2 untouched CVs and is certain he can save Hornet and perhaps Enterprise, plus he has plenty of land-based air and "atoll fortresses" as he puts it.

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RE: The Battle of the Coral Sea, April 28, 1942 - 7/3/2012 6:00:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		My opponent reports that Enterprise sank and Yorktown is in sad shape and might not make it to harbor. Minneapolis also died of her injuries. Hornet will survive.

So, the results of the Battle of the Coral Sea:

US Confirmed Losses: Lexington, Enterprise, Minneapolis, almost 200 aircraft.
US Cripples: Yorktown
US Damaged: Hornet
Japan Losses: 34 aircraft
Japan Damaged: Soryu will need about perhaps 3 months in dry dock to repair SYS and HULL damage and refit. Zuikaku will need about 3 weeks.



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Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May 8, 1942 - 7/9/2012 4:15:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opponent has been using his British fleet to conduct frequent bombardments of Rangoon and Victoria Point, using Port Blair as a staging base. I finally got sick of this, and deployed the Main Battle Fleet to stop him. There were no British carriers in the area, so this was a surface battle, and a bloody one.

It began with a close-range night action, as my Torpedo Squadron led by the Long-Lance equipped CL Kitikami got in the first blows.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Victoria Point at 49,63, Range 1,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Kitakami
DD Fubuki
DD Usugumo
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 2
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Uruyuke

Allied Ships
BB Revenge
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1
BB Ramillies, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
BB Resolution, Shell hits 25, Torpedo hits 8, and is sunk
CA Cornwall
CA Exeter
CL Hobart
CL Mauritius
CL Newcastle
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DD Stronghold
DD Decoy
DD Fortune
DD Griffin



Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms with 42% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 42% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CL Kitakami engages BB Resolution at 1,000 yards
CL Naka engages BB Ramillies at 1,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages BB Resolution at 1,000 yards
BB Resolution sunk by DD Sazanami at 1,000 yards
CL Newcastle engages CL Naka at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
BB Ramillies engages CL Naka at 2,000 yards
BB Ramillies engages CL Naka at 2,000 yards
DD Uruyuke engages BB Ramillies at 2,000 yards
BB Ramillies sunk by DD Asagiri at 2,000 yards
CL Newcastle engages CL Naka at 2,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages CL Naka at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Uruyuke collides with DD Sazanami at 49 , 63
CL Kitakami engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
BB Revenge engages CL Naka at 3,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages DD Uruyuke at 3,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
CL Newcastle engages CL Naka at 3,000 yards
DD Usugumo engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
DD Asagiri engages DD Griffin at 3,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Sazanami at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages CL Kitakami at 4,000 yards
CL Naka engages BB Revenge at 4,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CL Naka at 4,000 yards
DD Asagiri engages DD Griffin at 4,000 yards
CL Naka engages CL Mauritius at 4,000 yards
CL Hobart engages CL Naka at 4,000 yards
Task forces break off...



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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/9/2012 4:17:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		At Dawn, the Second Battle Squadron engages the British battle line and comes off the worst.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Victoria Point at 49,62, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed
F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 58, and is sunk
BB Fuso, Shell hits 32, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Tama, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CL Kiso, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Nenohi
DD Ariake, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Shinonome, Shell hits 25, heavy fires, heavy damage
TB Kamo, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Revenge
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 15, on fire
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 2
CA Exeter, Shell hits 1
CL Hobart
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 1
CL Newcastle, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DD Stronghold, Shell hits 2
DD Decoy, Shell hits 2
DD Fortune
DD Griffin



Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 5,000 yards
BB Revenge fires at BB Fuso at 5,000 yards
BB Revenge fires at BB Mutsu at 5,000 yards
CA Exeter launches Torpedoes at CL Tama at 5,000 yards
CA Exeter launches Torpedoes at CL Tama at 5,000 yards
BB Revenge fires at DD Shinonome at 5,000 yards
CL Mauritius launches Torpedoes at CL Tama at 5,000 yards
CL Tama sunk by CL Hobart at 5,000 yards
DD Griffin launches Torpedoes at DD Shinonome at 5,000 yards
DD Decoy launches Torpedoes at DD Shinonome at 5,000 yards
DD Stronghold launches Torpedoes at DD Shinonome at 5,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes launches Torpedoes at DD Shinonome at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
CL Kiso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shinonome at 3,000 yards
DD Ariake engages DD Stronghold at 3,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Stronghold at 3,000 yards
TB Kamo sunk by BB Royal Sovereign at 3,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Griffin at 3,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Shinonome at 3,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Ariake at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Royal Sovereign at 4,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Revenge at 4,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages CL Kiso at 4,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shinonome at 4,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Newcastle at 4,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages DD Nenohi at 4,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Griffin at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 8,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Royal Sovereign at 8,000 yards
CL Kiso engages CA Exeter at 8,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Decoy at 8,000 yards
DD Ariake engages CL Newcastle at 8,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Nenohi at 8,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Stronghold at 8,000 yards
DD Ariake engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Revenge at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CA Exeter at 11,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Shinonome at 11,000 yards
CL Newcastle sunk by BB Mutsu at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Mauritius at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 10,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages BB Mutsu at 10,000 yards
CL Kiso engages CA Exeter at 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Mauritius at 10,000 yards
DD Decoy engages DD Shinonome at 10,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Ariake at 10,000 yards
Ukita, Hidehiko orders Japanese TF to disengage
BB Royal Sovereign engages BB Fuso at 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Royal Sovereign at 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CA Exeter at 10,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shinonome at 10,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages DD Ariake at 10,000 yards
CL Hobart engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Stronghold at 10,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 10,000 yards
BB Revenge engages BB Mutsu at 10,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages CL Kiso at 10,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Stronghold at 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Mauritius at 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Hobart at 10,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
DD Decoy engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Stronghold at 10,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages BB Revenge at 9,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages CL Kiso at 9,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CA Cornwall at 9,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Mauritius at 9,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Hobart at 9,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shinonome at 9,000 yards
DD Decoy engages DD Nenohi at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages BB Mutsu at 11,000 yards
BB Revenge engages BB Mutsu at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CA Exeter at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CA Cornwall at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Mauritius at 11,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shinonome at 11,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Shinonome at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
BB Revenge engages BB Fuso at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Revenge at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages CA Exeter at 10,000 yards
DD Ariake engages DD Decoy at 10,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Fortune at 10,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages BB Fuso at 10,000 yards
BB Revenge engages BB Fuso at 10,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shinonome at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages CA Cornwall at 10,000 yards
CL Kiso engages CL Mauritius at 10,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Ariake at 10,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Fortune at 10,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 10,000 yards
BB Revenge engages CL Kiso at 10,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Shinonome at 10,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages DD Ariake at 10,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
CL Hobart engages BB Fuso at 10,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
DD Decoy engages DD Ariake at 10,000 yards
DD Ariake engages DD Stronghold at 10,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Nenohi at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Royal Sovereign at 10,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages CL Kiso at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages CA Exeter at 10,000 yards
DD Ariake engages DD Griffin at 10,000 yards
BB Fuso engages CL Mauritius at 10,000 yards
DD Ariake engages DD Griffin at 10,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Decoy at 10,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Stronghold at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/9/2012 4:19:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		However, the First Battle Squadron under Admiral Hirata strikes back.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Victoria Point at 49,62, Range 4,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Ise, Shell hits 4
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 3
CL Yura, Shell hits 1
CL Kinu, Shell hits 25, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 1
DD Akebono

Allied Ships
BB Revenge, Shell hits 6, on fire
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 1
CA Exeter, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
CL Hobart
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tjerk Hiddes, Shell hits 1
DD Stronghold, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Decoy, Shell hits 2
DD Fortune
DD Griffin



Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign engages BB Ise at 4,000 yards
BB Ise engages BB Royal Sovereign at 4,000 yards
CA Exeter engages CL Kinu at 4,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages CL Kinu at 4,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CL Hobart at 4,000 yards
CA Exeter engages DD Hatsuharu at 4,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Shiratsuyu at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Royal Sovereign sunk by BB Ise at 2,000 yards
CA Exeter sunk by BB Yamashiro at 2,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CL Kinu at 2,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages CL Kinu at 2,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CL Hobart at 2,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 2,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Shiratsuyu at 2,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Decoy at 2,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Hatsuharu at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CA Cornwall at 4,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Hobart at 4,000 yards
CL Hobart engages CL Kinu at 4,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Decoy at 4,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Decoy at 4,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CL Mauritius at 6,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CA Cornwall at 6,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Mauritius at 6,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CL Hobart at 6,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Griffin at 6,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Griffin at 6,000 yards
DD Decoy engages DD Akebono at 6,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Stronghold at 6,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 6,000 yards
Collinson, A.C. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Ise engages BB Revenge at 7,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CA Cornwall at 7,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages CL Kinu at 7,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CL Hobart at 7,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 7,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Hatsuharu at 7,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Decoy at 7,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Shiratsuyu at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages BB Revenge at 9,000 yards
BB Ise engages CA Cornwall at 9,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages BB Revenge at 9,000 yards
CL Hobart engages CL Kinu at 9,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Griffin at 9,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Fortune at 9,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Decoy at 9,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Shiratsuyu at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages BB Revenge at 13,000 yards
BB Ise engages BB Revenge at 13,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Mauritius at 13,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 13,000 yards
CL Yura engages CA Cornwall at 13,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Griffin at 13,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Decoy at 13,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Stronghold at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
BB Ise engages BB Revenge at 18,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages BB Revenge at 18,000 yards
CL Kinu engages CA Cornwall at 18,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Mauritius at 18,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Akebono at 18,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Fortune at 18,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Stronghold at 18,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 18,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Blair at 48,62, Range 6,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1
BB Ise, Shell hits 4, on fire
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 5
CL Yura, Shell hits 1
DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Hatsuharu

Allied Ships
BB Revenge, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
CL Hobart, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Tjerk Hiddes, on fire
DD Stronghold, on fire
DD Decoy, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Fortune
DD Griffin, Shell hits 4, on fire



Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Magazine explodes on BB Revenge
BB Revenge sunk by BB Hyuga at 6,000 yards
CL Hobart engages CL Yura at 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Griffin at 6,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Griffin at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CL Hobart at 7,000 yards
BB Ise engages CL Hobart at 7,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Hobart at 7,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Griffin at 7,000 yards
DD Decoy sunk by BB Hyuga at 7,000 yards
DD Tjerk Hiddes engages DD Shiratsuyu at 7,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages DD Shiratsuyu at 7,000 yards
CL Hobart engages BB Ise at 7,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 7,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Shiratsuyu at 7,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 7,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Griffin at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CA Cornwall at 9,000 yards
CL Hobart engages BB Yamashiro at 9,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Griffin at 9,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Griffin at 9,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Stronghold at 9,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Tjerk Hiddes at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CL Yura at 11,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Hobart at 11,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 11,000 yards
DD Shiratsuyu engages DD Fortune at 11,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Stronghold at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CA Cornwall at 14,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 14,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Fortune at 14,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Shiratsuyu at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
CL Yura engages CA Cornwall at 16,000 yards
BB Ise engages CA Cornwall at 16,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 16,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CL Yura at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CL Hobart at 18,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 18,000 yards
CL Yura engages CA Cornwall at 18,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Stronghold at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CA Cornwall at 17,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages CL Yura at 17,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Hobart at 17,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Griffin at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CL Yura at 16,000 yards
BB Ise engages CA Cornwall at 16,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Hobart at 16,000 yards
CL Mauritius engages CL Yura at 16,000 yards
DD Fortune engages DD Hatsuharu at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CA Cornwall at 14,000 yards
BB Ise engages CL Hobart at 14,000 yards
CL Hobart engages CL Yura at 14,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages DD Griffin at 14,000 yards
BB Ise engages DD Fortune at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CA Cornwall at 19,000 yards
CL Yura engages CL Mauritius at 19,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Mauritius at 19,000 yards
DD Griffin engages DD Hatsuharu at 19,000 yards
DD Hatsuharu engages DD Griffin at 19,000 yards
Hirata, Noboru orders Japanese TF to disengage
Task forces break off...


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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/9/2012 4:25:51 PM   
FDRLincoln


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From: Lawrence, KS
Status: offline 		All told, I lost Fuso, Mutso, Tama, Naka, Kiso, Kinu, Shinonome, Shiratsuyu, Kano in exchange for Revenge, Royal Sovereign, Ramillies, Resolution, Exeter, Newcastle, Mauritus, Decoy, and Fortune (sunk by air attack shortly after the surface battle). Hobart and Cornwall are severely damaged.

Was it worth it? I lost two old battleships and several CLs, but in exchange I broke the back of the British Far East Fleet.

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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 1:47:30 AM   
PaxMondo


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Status: offline 		In the short term, you're ok.  Long term of course he gets replacements and you don't.  In any case a GREAT sea battle that you rarely get to see.

BANZAI!!!

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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 1:57:41 AM   
Crackaces


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quote:

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

All told, I lost Fuso, Mutso, Tama, Naka, Kiso, Kinu, Shinonome, Shiratsuyu, Kano in exchange for Revenge, Royal Sovereign, Ramillies, Resolution, Exeter, Newcastle, Mauritus, Decoy, and Fortune (sunk by air attack shortly after the surface battle). Hobart and Cornwall are severely damaged.

Was it worth it? I lost two old battleships and several CLs, but in exchange I broke the back of the British Far East Fleet.


IMHO) The British BB's withdraw anyway ... but now you get the victory points. VP's that the Allies must double to win this game ... plus the psyops warfare But as an Allied player throughout 1942 I just kept hitting the 'I' key and looking at the naval reinforcements for March 1944 to remind me why take this punishment

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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 2:53:28 AM   
FDRLincoln


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Status: offline 		Yeah, his ships get replaced and mine don't. But i figure, I might as well use my assets like the old BBs and CLs now, rather than see them perish uselessly under air attacks in 1944.

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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 2:54:17 AM   
FDRLincoln


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Status: offline 		It was also neat to see the torpedo cruiser concept work so well.

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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 7:51:45 AM   
obvert


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ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

It was also neat to see the torpedo cruiser concept work so well.


Nice work. Yeah, it could have been bad if they hadn't taken two off the British line. Impressive and I think why not? You won the battle, even though he'll get more later. Maybe this will also mean you win more battles because these ships are not here. Plus it's fun!


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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 4:13:56 PM   
FDRLincoln


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Status: offline 		It also helps me in the Burma area....I haven't been able to get many convoys to Rangoon and supply lines in Burma are weak. This knocks the British fleet back on its heels for awhile, gives me a chance to consolidate.



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RE: Pacific Jutland: the Battle of Victoria Point, May ... - 7/10/2012 9:28:25 PM   
aztez

 

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Joined: 2/26/2005
From: Finland
Status: offline 		First! Good to see that your opponent did not vanish. We had one hell of an game in old Witp and still hats off to you on that one.

Secondly! Well.. nice going. You dented his carriers but beware off FOW. Trust me.. it is not trustworthy and I never would reveal you what was actually sunk!

Good job on the British front.. I think you made him much more cautious and as said you bought time which is essential.

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