Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Unless it has been changed in the latest patch, search planes out on a random setting do not daily adjust their search area to eventually cover (over a period of time) all 360 degrees. A random setting starts off at 0 degrees and subject to having sufficient aircraft assigned proceeds in clock direction. If only sufficient planes have been assigned to cover 90 degrees, then that was the only coverage area (0-90 degrees) one ever had searched.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: AlanBernardo

Related questions:

1. Is a search more likely to catch something from searches from land or from those on Carriers, all else being equal?

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2. What are the best search air units?

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3. (a bit unrelated)Explain the logistics of an air-group, say, on a Supply Troops mission that then sets Patrol levels at ASW 20%. Does this mean that 80% of the aircraft will supply troops while the rest will look for submarines, essentially meaning the air-group has two missions? Which would then mean that if an air-group chooses the Naval Attack mission, and then is able to select a second mission (say, Port Attack) and then also sets ASW Patrols at 20%, that that group will have three missions?

4. In other words, what the hell are the logistics of setting Patrol levels and what do they mean relative to the primary missions set? :)

Thanks,

Alan

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Unless it has been changed in the latest patch, search planes out on a random setting do not daily adjust their search area to eventually cover (over a period of time) all 360 degrees. A random setting starts off at 0 degrees and subject to having sufficient aircraft assigned proceeds in clock direction. If only sufficient planes have been assigned to cover 90 degrees, then that was the only coverage area (0-90 degrees) one ever had searched.

Alfred

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2. What are the best search air units?

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The ones with pilots that have the highest Nav Search skill, and the unit can be assigned to Nav search.

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Think about it.... If you assign a unit to Nav Attack and assign a value of 20 to Nav Search and 20 to ASW....what do you think that means?

A unit assigned to Naval Attack will perform a Naval Attack. A unit assigned to Supply Transport. If you assign a % of the unit to perform some other mission then that % will perform that mission.

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In game - the 26th BS is assigned the mission of Port Attack, with a value of 80 or 90 assigned to Nav Search. So 80% of the unit performs Nav Search while 1-2 planes bomb a harbor.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Unless it has been changed in the latest patch, search planes out on a random setting do not daily adjust their search area to eventually cover (over a period of time) all 360 degrees. A random setting starts off at 0 degrees and subject to having sufficient aircraft assigned proceeds in clock direction. If only sufficient planes have been assigned to cover 90 degrees, then that was the only coverage area (0-90 degrees) one ever had searched.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: nim8or

Stupid question here, but how do you display these arcs? Is this a utility program outside the game?

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

IMO there's a big difference between a) not specifying a search-arc & b) using the 'random arcs' button.

if you tag the 'random arcs' button, then the 'show arcs' button, you'll see that the sqn has been set to a specific arc starting from 000.

i believe (hope) that if you leave the arcs unassigned, you'll get a random distribution of planes shooting out. but someone'll have to set up a little test-scenario to check that out.

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ORIGINAL: AlanBernardo

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2. What are the best search air units?

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The ones with pilots that have the highest Nav Search skill, and the unit can be assigned to Nav search.

I guess what I meant to say was which are the best type of search units. For example, Dive Bombers generally do a better job at searching than Fighters.

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Think about it.... If you assign a unit to Nav Attack and assign a value of 20 to Nav Search and 20 to ASW....what do you think that means?

A unit assigned to Naval Attack will perform a Naval Attack. A unit assigned to Supply Transport. If you assign a % of the unit to perform some other mission then that % will perform that mission.

This was the reason for my question. Would your above example mean that 20% of a group is doing a Naval Search, 20% is doing ASW, and 60% Naval Attack? In other words, when selecting as such, are all three of these missions equally different missions, each taking up a percentage. For example, say I do choose Naval Attack as a primary objective, but then pick resting 50% and ASW 50% (equaling 100%). Would I then being doing any Naval searching at all?

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In game - the 26th BS is assigned the mission of Port Attack, with a value of 80 or 90 assigned to Nav Search. So 80% of the unit performs Nav Search while 1-2 planes bomb a harbor.

So the Primary mission is the same (as far as weight goes) as a Patrol mission?

This appears to answer the question I was trying to get answered. Primary missions receive the same weight as Patrol missions. (In the end I was confused by the use of the word "Primary" in the game, since that implies it's the main mission and as such would receive most of the weight.)


Alan

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ORIGINAL: AlanBernardo

Let me get this straight, because I am still not sure how this works.

Take the following example:





For the sake of clarity, let's say that I have 10 aircraft ready to go. In the above example I have Airfield Attack selected. Under Patrol I have 50% on ASW and 50% on Search, equaling 100%.

With 10 aircraft, 5 will have ASW as a mission and 5 will do Search.

What happens to the Airfield Attack? Since there are no aircraft left and all are on other missions, then it seems to me that none of the aircraft will actually perform an Airfield Attack mission.

Following this logic, if I set ASW to 30% and Search to 30%, four aircraft (40%) would then have Airfield Attack as its mission.

This was my question all along. Are the missions and Patrol levels all taken as one, with equal weight?


Thanks,

Alan

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

note also on AlanBernardo's screenshot, this Mitchell sqn has dangerous low morale of 57. if morale continues to decrease, the sqn won't fly all its planes.

this sqn needs some TLC pronto!
a) switch some planes to Training, to improve morale,
b) grab a better leader, the current leader is awful,
c) add 4 add'l pilots, preferably trained pilots from reserve.

dunno what this sqn's history is - fatigue is low, so maybe it hasn't been running continuous ops - but it's borderline incompetent to run its assigned missions, and will get worse rapido if changes aren't made.

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Logic - It's an amazing thing. Its not tricky.

From you above screen shot...If you were to select Naval Attack as your Primary Mission, you would then be given the opportunity to select a Secondary Mission of say Ground Attack.

Then if you set ASW to 30 and Search to 30...you would have 4 aircraft available for your Primary Mission of Naval Attack / Secondary Mission of Ground Attack.

When you execute the turn your unit will fly 3 planes on ASW in the a.m., and 3 planes on Search in the a.m., and if there is an available target (determined by dice rolls/detection etc) it will fly 4 planes in a Naval Attack in the a.m.. If there is not a target available for the Naval Attack in the a.m. then in the p.m. if there is still no available Naval Attack target, it will fly the 4 planes in a Ground Attack because that is the chosen secondary mission, assuming there is an available target for Ground Attack.

In the pm the 6 planes flying ASW & Search will continue flying those missions.

IIRC in the original WitP players did not have the option to assign the % to ASW/Search etc.

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

note also on AlanBernardo's screenshot, this Mitchell sqn has dangerous low morale of 57. if morale continues to decrease, the sqn won't fly all its planes.

this sqn needs some TLC pronto!
a) switch some planes to Training, to improve morale,
b) grab a better leader, the current leader is awful,
c) add 4 add'l pilots, preferably trained pilots from reserve.

dunno what this sqn's history is - fatigue is low, so maybe it hasn't been running continuous ops - but it's borderline incompetent to run its assigned missions, and will get worse rapido if changes aren't made.

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ORIGINAL: AlanBernardo

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Logic - It's an amazing thing. Its not tricky.

From you above screen shot...If you were to select Naval Attack as your Primary Mission, you would then be given the opportunity to select a Secondary Mission of say Ground Attack.

Then if you set ASW to 30 and Search to 30...you would have 4 aircraft available for your Primary Mission of Naval Attack / Secondary Mission of Ground Attack.

When you execute the turn your unit will fly 3 planes on ASW in the a.m., and 3 planes on Search in the a.m., and if there is an available target (determined by dice rolls/detection etc) it will fly 4 planes in a Naval Attack in the a.m.. If there is not a target available for the Naval Attack in the a.m. then in the p.m. if there is still no available Naval Attack target, it will fly the 4 planes in a Ground Attack because that is the chosen secondary mission, assuming there is an available target for Ground Attack.

In the pm the 6 planes flying ASW & Search will continue flying those missions.

IIRC in the original WitP players did not have the option to assign the % to ASW/Search etc.

First off, not only are you repeating what I said-- minus the AM and PM stuff-- but you haven't answered my question, which was answered in a post above yours.

I really wasn't expecting a straight answer from you anyhow.

I asked if ASW is on 50% and so is Search then what happens to the mission selected-- the Airbase Attack?  You did not ask that question.  I suppose you were too busy figuring out your own definition of "logic".


Alan