Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: StK

Alfred said in a former thread of mine that search planes are only effective up to a range of 12 hexes. Can I push that "limit" by assigning more planes to the same 10°? Or will they just both search up to those 12 hexes (resulting in a better search of this area?)

edit: That means ofc Naval search as ASW is strictly limited in range and recon is only a single hex

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ORIGINAL: Icedawg

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ORIGINAL: StK

Alfred said in a former thread of mine that search planes are only effective up to a range of 12 hexes. Can I push that "limit" by assigning more planes to the same 10°? Or will they just both search up to those 12 hexes (resulting in a better search of this area?)

edit: That means ofc Naval search as ASW is strictly limited in range and recon is only a single hex

Wow, that's news to me. So setting my Mavis patrols to 25 hexes is just racking up more fatigue than necessary?

I'm not quite sure I buy it. A couple weeks ago, I had some Bettys flying out of Truk and they spotted my opponent's carriers a hex or two off of Green Island. That would put the range to be about 16 or 17 hexes. I've also had Bettys flying out of Ambon spot allied TFs in Darwin harbor, a range of 15 hexes.

I'm not necessarily doubting Alfred though. He has more knowledge of this game in his pinky toe than I have in total, so I'm thinking there's something lost in translation here. Maybe he meant beyond 12 hexes they operate at reduced effectiveness and are less likely to spot TFs than at ranges less than 12 hexes.

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ORIGINAL: StK

Alfred said in a former thread of mine that search planes are only effective up to a range of 12 hexes. Can I push that "limit" by assigning more planes to the same 10°? Or will they just both search up to those 12 hexes (resulting in a better search of this area?)

edit: That means ofc Naval search as ASW is strictly limited in range and recon is only a single hex

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

4. The only realistic way to get two aircraft to search the same arc whilst still maintaining a wide search pattern is to have two or more separate squadrons allocated the exact same search arcs.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Icedawg

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ORIGINAL: StK

Alfred said in a former thread of mine that search planes are only effective up to a range of 12 hexes. Can I push that "limit" by assigning more planes to the same 10°? Or will they just both search up to those 12 hexes (resulting in a better search of this area?)

edit: That means ofc Naval search as ASW is strictly limited in range and recon is only a single hex

Wow, that's news to me. So setting my Mavis patrols to 25 hexes is just racking up more fatigue than necessary?

I'm not quite sure I buy it. A couple weeks ago, I had some Bettys flying out of Truk and they spotted my opponent's carriers a hex or two off of Green Island. That would put the range to be about 16 or 17 hexes. I've also had Bettys flying out of Ambon spot allied TFs in Darwin harbor, a range of 15 hexes.

I'm not necessarily doubting Alfred though. He has more knowledge of this game in his pinky toe than I have in total, so I'm thinking there's something lost in translation here. Maybe he meant beyond 12 hexes they operate at reduced effectiveness and are less likely to spot TFs than at ranges less than 12 hexes.

The full quote of what I posted to StK's query elsewhere was:

Recon planes conducting a "recon mission" engage in a point to point activity. Range therefore does not deteriorate their effectiveness.

Patrol planes (includes float planes and bombers) conducting a "naval search" mission are engaged in an area activity. For them there is a negative corelation between distance and effectiveness. From an efficiency POV, there is very limited value in placing to search out for more than 12 hexes.

Note that aircraft conducting an "ASW mission" (another area activity) the range of the plane is halved.

It does not say that a TF will not be spotted at a distance of more than 12 hexes but rather that beyond that point there is a very definite law of diminishing returns which makes it very inefficient once one takes into account the costs associated with searching.

Also read page 217 of the manual which states that beyond 300 miles (ie 8 hexes) TFs are less likely to be spotted by aircraft conducting a naval search mission.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Icedawg

So, it is possible to spot beyond 12 hexes, but as distance increases, probability of detection is going to drop off exponentially. This is exactly what you should expect - area of a circle, radius squared and all that.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: StK

Alfred said in a former thread of mine that search planes are only effective up to a range of 12 hexes. Can I push that "limit" by assigning more planes to the same 10°? Or will they just both search up to those 12 hexes (resulting in a better search of this area?)

edit: That means ofc Naval search as ASW is strictly limited in range and recon is only a single hex

1. Each plane allocated to naval search is given a 10 degree arc. That arc cannot be made smaller or bigger.

2. Each plane in the same squadron is given its own separate arc. They do not cross over into someone else's arc.

3. If you have more planes searching than 10 degree arcs set, the surplus planes will restart back at the first arc set.

4. The only realistic way to get two aircraft to search the same arc whilst still maintaining a wide search pattern is to have two or more separate squadrons allocated the exact same search arcs.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

This all correlate pretty well back to reality.  A 10 degree search arc at 200 mile radius has a large area of sea to cover.  At 300 miles it is a vastly larger area.  At 600 miles, the area is so large that you rapidly understand why there is a good chance NOT to see even a large TF.