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Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 10:12:43 PM

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This fall I'm take a graduate level course in "Psychopathology" as one of the three remaining courses I need to get me up to 60 credit hours for eligibility to obtain my LPC (Licensed Professional Counselor) for work next Spring. One of the assignments is to read a biography on a person with a possible mental illness that I can diagnosis using the DSM-IV and then get into the diagnosis and treatment of it afterwards (not necessarily for this particular person). The first person that came to mind was MacArthur, but is there any other famous military person and the name of a book that you would recommend??

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 10:35:36 PM

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Montgomery would be interesting. I'm sure that a Google search or Amazon will turn up many books on whomever you choose.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 10:47:14 PM

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While most Great Generals have a touch of Crazy, MacArthur was a Great Crazy with a touch of leadership....

who made quit the career of hanging the Marines out to dry, then letting the Marines bail him out. Then taking credit for it.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 10:50:06 PM

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Patton would rate as well, Blucher thought he was pregnant to a French Guardsman etc etc etc.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 10:56:28 PM

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Napoleon Bonaparte. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 11:10:58 PM

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Orde wingate would probably be a good one. But you could probably pick just about any succesful soldier and find something. Daniel sickles might be interesting as well because he used temporary insanity as a succesful defence for murder.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 11:18:03 PM

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another good posibility would be Hugh Dowding, later in life he would see and speak to the ghosts of pilots who died under his command.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 11:18:28 PM

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while examples of crazed generals aren't out-of-the-way, they tend towards megalomania, or high-self-importance combined w/ guilt. but a bio of a higher-ranked officer will be 'pre-filtered' by the biographer.

many line soldiers have published memoirs that describe their psychological symptoms. Wm. Manchester's 'Goodbye, Darkness' was particularly chilling, Robert Leckie's 'Helmet for my Pillow', Eugene Sledge's 'With the Old Breed' - these books describe combat-fatigue / battle-stress symptoms directly.

there's no lack of literature on the subject, but IMO the first-person accounts would give you better material for analysis.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/1/2012 11:44:57 PM

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Yes but MacArthur's legacy is so fraudulent.

He married an heiress, getting him in bed with the Randolf Hearst crowd, so he always got good press.

He attacked the Bonus Army in the Mall of Washington DC ( the WWI vets who were still waiting and demanding their enlistment bonus in 1929)

He Got the Medal of Honor for running away from the Philippines

He wanted to start a Nuclear war in Kora.

He tried to court Marshal the Commanding Marine General for only advancing 30 miles a day.

And then when 200,000 screaming Chines came over the boarder only the Marines single Division was in any type of combat order, and MacArthur bravely ran away again.

Patton well he slapped someone, big deal.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 12:31:03 AM

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Going back to Civil War era, Stonewall Jackson certainly had his idiosyncracies, not sure if they were ever diagnosed. Sherman, on the other hand, was labeled as crazy in the beginning of the war, for daring to suggest the Union would need 200,000 Soldiers. I don't remember if he was actually hospitalized or just placed on leave, but it was described as some type of breakdown. (of course, events later proved his estimates on the low side...)

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 12:32:13 AM

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And oh after Patton slapped a guy with PTSD (wrong but old school) he was thoroughly degraded, something a megalomaniac would walk away from, then he was given a fake command of a fake army another thing a megalomaniac would walk away from. And he did it so well the Germans defended the wrong beach for the whole summer. Saving God knows how many thousands of lives at the price of Patton's ego.

Patton is the greatest US Army General ever... and about that whole 'lets invade Russia thing' but for for National war fatigue, and the dubious nature of starting wars; strategically and tactically he was right

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 12:54:53 AM

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But Sherman's march to the sea insured the division between Americans would last another hundred years.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 1:32:28 AM

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 5:07:34 AM

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I very recently finished reading, Hero:The Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia. He clearly had some issues while being a stellar leader.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 7:49:56 AM

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Going back to Civil War era, Stonewall Jackson certainly had his idiosyncracies, not sure if they were ever diagnosed. Sherman, on the other hand, was labeled as crazy in the beginning of the war, for daring to suggest the Union would need 200,000 Soldiers. I don't remember if he was actually hospitalized or just placed on leave, but it was described as some type of breakdown. (of course, events later proved his estimates on the low side...)

I was going to suggest General Thomas Jonathan Jackson as well... recommend the biography by Lt Col Henderson.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 9:21:15 AM

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Monty was indeed a rather murky personality. I've always got the impression that he was incredibly insecure and desperate for recognition. I understand that he spend some of his formative years at school down in Tasmania, and if his later personality was anything to go by he will not have been a popular student, doubly so it being in Australia where we are not all that keen on people that think they're somehow inherently superior. I doubt that he was actively bullied but would almost certainly have been ostracised and considered a 'dickhead' or a 'wanker' in Aussie speak. There was some incident in his earlier years in the army (the exact specifics of which escape me atm) which had overtones of bullying and a certain nasty sadism (can't really remember but I think he set another cadet on fire as a 'joke'). This incident may have been another instance of him trying to 'fit in' but typically going too far. When he took command in North Africa he immediately attempted to transform himself from a regulation spit and polish British officer into an 'Old Desert Hand' by donning an Aussie slouch hat and adorning it with insignia and badges that he had no right to wear. I imagine the troops thought it ridiculous but were prepared to ignore it as long as the 8th Army kept winning. He never seemed able to understand how his utterances would be heard by others, and had an unshakeable belief in his own genius, when to any disinterested observer his concepts were pedestrian. I've always felt his delusional belief in his (and only his) abilities was an overcompensation for the fact that throughout his life he felt rejected as a human being (and little wonder, he really was a ****). I think the outward Monty was that facade that he built up to hide this unfortunate piece of self knowledge from his daily conciousness.......but then I'm not a psychologist, I just feel that I've met that character type before many times in the real world.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 10:13:23 AM

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Caligula.

There has been much debate about this unusual man's state of mind, and plenty written.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 11:59:29 AM

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 1:27:38 PM

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Biggus63 that had to be the best description of have seen of Monty ever. I would suggest you write about him.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 2:29:22 PM

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My first thought: Steve Spurier.

(Since NYGiants lives in the South, he'll know why Spurrier readily comes to mind.)

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 2:46:29 PM

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Biggus63 that had to be the best description of have seen of Monty ever. I would suggest you write about him.

Warspite1

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And little wonder, he really was a ****

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Dickhead, wanker

Yeah, really great

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 3:50:02 PM

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Biggus63 that had to be the best description of have seen of Monty ever. I would suggest you write about him.

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And little wonder, he really was a ****

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Dickhead, wanker

Yeah, really great

Not words I use commonly Warspite1, but words commonly used in Australia, and as I made apparent that is how he would have been perceived by the average Australian. Even Monty's most ardent admirers concede that he wasn't a particularly nice fellow, and your own officer caste saw him to be 'something less than a gentleman' as well. Why you would use my quoting of words that may or may not have been used in connection with him by working class Australians over 50 years ago to have a snide dig at me is your own business.

Of course.....he might have been completely normal until he had to grow up in Tasmania, what with all the intermarriage and them having two heads and all......(comedic licence...no hate mail please)

Oh, and as for the word the forum censored out it was p r i c k, a word I've heard used by the English commonly.

Cheers Warspite1, have a good day.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 4:00:02 PM

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Can it be an autobiography?

How about a personality disorder?

I would suggest "Dreams of.."...heck, I can't remember the whole title. I'll get back to you.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 4:50:43 PM

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Even Monty's most ardent admirers concede that he wasn't a particularly nice fellow, and your own officer caste saw him to be 'something less than a gentleman' as well. Why you would use my quoting of words that may or may not have been used in connection with him by working class Australians over 50 years ago to have a snide dig at me is your own business.

Of course.....he might have been completely normal until he had to grow up in Tasmania, what with all the intermarriage and them having two heads and all......(comedic licence...no hate mail please)

Oh, and as for the word the forum censored out it was p r i c k, a word I've heard used by the English commonly.

Cheers Warspite1, have a good day.

I'm with Warspite on this one. I'm no fan of Monty, he was a deeply flawed man ( just like the all the rest of us ), but there really is no need to use those sort of words. Warspite is certainly not having some sort of snide dig.

If I was to go on a Russian website, ( or this one...it does'nt really matter where ), and call Stalin a ****, I would expect to be banned for being abusive and/or inflammatory.

Let us all try to conduct ourselves in the spirit of this forum, and if language from the gutter has to be employed to make a point then the *�!%$^ symbols are more than adequate.

And just to confirm my working class credentials, D******d, W****r & P***k are all in common use in England as we speak, and not from 50 years ago.

Cheers Biggus63, have a good day.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 5:36:51 PM

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Although the psychological condition might apply ny59giants is searching for the biography of any other

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famous military person

except MacArthur.

I very much doubt that a random sad excuse for an internet troll qualifies for this, funny as he might be...

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 5:38:25 PM

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Even Monty's most ardent admirers concede that he wasn't a particularly nice fellow, and your own officer caste saw him to be 'something less than a gentleman' as well. Why you would use my quoting of words that may or may not have been used in connection with him by working class Australians over 50 years ago to have a snide dig at me is your own business.

Of course.....he might have been completely normal until he had to grow up in Tasmania, what with all the intermarriage and them having two heads and all......(comedic licence...no hate mail please)

Oh, and as for the word the forum censored out it was p r i c k, a word I've heard used by the English commonly.

Cheers Warspite1, have a good day.

I'm with Warspite on this one. I'm no fan of Monty, he was a deeply flawed man ( just like the all the rest of us ), but there really is no need to use those sort of words. Warspite is certainly not having some sort of snide dig.

If I was to go on a Russian website, ( or this one...it does'nt really matter where ), and call Stalin a ****, I would expect to be banned for being abusive and/or inflammatory.

Let us all try to conduct ourselves in the spirit of this forum, and if language from the gutter has to be employed to make a point then the *�!%$^ symbols are more than adequate.

And just to confirm my working class credentials, D******d, W****r & P***k are all in common use in England as we speak, and not from 50 years ago.

Cheers Biggus63, have a good day.

I'm sorry that you and Warspite1 are offended by my musings, for that is all they are, as to how Monty might have been perceived, and what forces may have been at play to create his singularly unusual personality. Plainly my robust language has caused at least two people offence, and that's two people more than I intended to offend.

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 6:13:21 PM

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Stalin? well he had a long comfortable life in the kremlin

... while 30 or so million russians died protecting packs of ice and snow, or laboring as slaves in farms and factories

Cheney? well he had five deferments from vietnam, and even got away with shooting someone in a "hunting accident"

... while a lot of other people were chasing each other around the jungle, or get the elecrtic chair for said crimes

but keep calling these guys ill.. it's called intra-specific competition

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 6:34:21 PM

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In a slightly different vein, you might consider writing about Audie Murphy, who experienced what is now called PTSD (during his life it was referred to as "battle fatigue" and later as "Post Vietnam Syndrome"). In your career you are likely to encounter many patients with PTSD symptoms from combat and other causes. His autobiography "To Hell and Back" contains extensive details of his war experiences, but not his post war problems. http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/audielmu.htm

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 6:48:22 PM

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I'm sorry that you and Warspite1 are offended by my musings, for that is all they are, as to how Monty might have been perceived, and what forces may have been at play to create his singularly unusual personality. Plainly my robust language has caused at least two people offence, and that's two people more than I intended to offend.

Not offended, and there is nothing wrong with robust language when it is required.

On a lighter note, your post did make me smile.....I know where you were coming from....

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RE: Bio on a person with mental health issues - 9/2/2012 9:28:07 PM

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I have always tought Sherman or Stonewall Jackson would be interesting studies. Especially Stonewall. He seemed like a rather odd duck.

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