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Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 9:27:46 AM

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I know that most of you prefer sprites, I don't like it (too childish ?) and sometimes I get confused.
I started this project because the game it's great and I'm an old school nostalgic wargamer.
There's a lot of work to do, so if anyone wants to help I'll share my psd files to speed up the project.

That's how it looks

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 11:03:07 AM

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I'm one of those players who prefer the childish graphics.
But your NATO counters are looking very good. Are you planning to use different colours for different nations?
Thanks for all your efforts.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 1:31:35 PM

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Are you planning to use different colours for different nations?

Yes I'm, different nation, different counter colour.

this is what I did so far

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 4:04:43 PM

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...trucks/transport

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 4:08:58 PM

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this first series of counters (created so far) is specific for all units belonging to "Ardennes" scenario.

tank.....

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 7:32:32 PM

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I don't want to sound to nitpicking but wouldn't it look better, if you used a capital letter on the first letter (for example "Tank" instead of "tank")?

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/11/2012 9:42:32 PM

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Brilliant work
keep it all lower case, not Sentence Case.
Looking very 70's retro.
Great font selection.
I hate sprites too.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/12/2012 1:31:04 AM

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Nice, if it is a wargame it needs NATO symbols for me

If it was me (which it isn't) I would actually not have the tank, infantry, truck written on the counter, the NATO symbol already tells us this information and without the written descriptor you could maker the symbol a bit bigger as well. If keeping the written descriptor I'd go for capital first letter.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/12/2012 12:22:39 PM

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quote:

if you used a capital letter on the first letter (for example "Tank" instead of "tank")?

my fault, I don't realize it.

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I would actually not have the tank, infantry, truck written on the counter, the NATO symbol already tells us this information

this is true for most of you, maybe a bigger symbol is preferable to a group name or the unit model (es. bigger "Panzer" and lower IIIG, but I was inspired by this counters (see attached image).

There's a lot of work, 440 and more units to mod, my work so far took three hours and half.
So I decided to start with this project than make changes (that could make happy someone) while playing.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/12/2012 2:30:19 PM

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some changes, more specific to model

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/12/2012 6:25:31 PM

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Couldn't you use the same type of letter in the second line like in the counters which you were inspired with?
Or you think it looks too much cluttered?

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/12/2012 6:25:59 PM

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Sorry, double post.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/15/2012 7:00:07 AM

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Couldn't you use the same type of letter in the second line like in the counters which you were inspired with?
Or you think it looks too much cluttered?

It's an idea, do you think it looks better ?

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/15/2012 12:31:33 PM

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Personally, I think it looks much better, graphically speaking.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/15/2012 1:19:42 PM

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approved

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Personally, I think it looks much better, graphically speaking.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/15/2012 11:22:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: laska2k4

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Couldn't you use the same type of letter in the second line like in the counters which you were inspired with?
Or you think it looks too much cluttered?

It's an idea, do you think it looks better ?

Very nice, though I still think the unit type (Recon in this instance)doesn't add to the utility of the counters and isn't needed. Also it is somewhat inconsistent, cavalry/kavallerie is labled as Infantry (post 3) and rather than Tank/Armour/Panzerkampfwagen (i.e unit type) Panzer/Panther/Tiger (i.e unit sub-type/class) is used (post 10).

P.S. thought I recognised the World at War typeface, good choice.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/16/2012 12:17:37 AM

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Very nice, though I still think the unit type (Recon in this instance)doesn't add to the utility of the counters and isn't needed. Also it is somewhat inconsistent, cavalry/kavallerie is labled as Infantry (post 3) and rather than Tank/Armour/Panzerkampfwagen (i.e unit type) Panzer/Panther/Tiger (i.e unit sub-type/class) is used (post 10).

You've got a point. Although that written information (recon, infantry, etc) could help those who aren't used to NATO symbols, but we've to remember that this counters will be mostly used by those who knows them. They would benefit from a bigger symbol if it's possible.
Anyway it certainly is looking nice.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/16/2012 8:27:05 AM

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quote:

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Very nice, though I still think the unit type (Recon in this instance)doesn't add to the utility of the counters and isn't needed. Also it is somewhat inconsistent, cavalry/kavallerie is labled as Infantry (post 3) and rather than Tank/Armour/Panzerkampfwagen (i.e unit type) Panzer/Panther/Tiger (i.e unit sub-type/class) is used (post 10).

I could agreed or not if unit type could be useful, visible or both. But it rely on the counters I choose at the beginning. There are some inconsistencies on unit types, the same categories appear in the purchase window, so if you want to buy more "kavallerie" click on the infantry button.

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....They would benefit from a bigger symbol if it's possible.

same as before, this type of counters has a limited space for Nato symbols, initially my personal idea was to put as much info as possible.

Now take a look at the picture below, some fonts must be changed (tank sub-type), colors could help in a zoom out view.
Drawing all german units took two days of hard work, changing a detail means to redraw and save all units again

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I wish to share my work with others, so this is the time where changes could be made.

Please share images, links or somewhat could be useful to make things look better.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/16/2012 11:09:49 AM

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large symbol

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/16/2012 12:06:01 PM

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other types to choose from

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/16/2012 12:58:00 PM

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Graphically speaking I prefer the original ones. But I understand the concerns rise by other members.

In this last picture I prefer option number 1. I know there's some redundant information with the class unit, but it's much better graphically balanced.
Maybe it could be a good compromise for the ones who want a larger symbol. I like it.
Thanks for all your efforts.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/16/2012 2:20:00 PM

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new beta with extra info (a lot of work for a single counter)

R = regular (Series)
3|4|1 = movement, soft att., hard attack
8 = ground defence

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/17/2012 8:30:50 AM

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Graphically speaking I prefer the original ones

maybe a good compromise

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/17/2012 7:49:51 PM

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Indeed, it seems to be a good compromise.

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/18/2012 12:07:10 AM

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Like the look with the contrast stripe.

For the additional information on the counters the three digits below the icon could be soft attack, hard attack, defence (keeping combat stats together) with the digit to the left then being movement. However I must admit that I personally just consider the unit type, strength and the predicted combat results rather than examining the individual attack and defence strengths when planing an attack and with movement rely on the reachable hexes displayed when you click a unit so the additional info of these additional numbers on the counters don't really add much for me.

Overall of all of the above I prefer the original ones modified to have just the specific unit descriptor (e.g. Wehrmacht Infantry, Pz IVH(J))though to keep a consistent style remove the outer black rectangle from artillery etc. (post 18) to match with the armour and infantry.

Out of interest how are you going to display units when both land and air units are in the same hex?

Keep up the good work.

P.S. It is a lot easier to be a critic than an artist

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/19/2012 11:56:07 AM

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Could somebody please tell me the name of the game on which these counters are based, the one with modern NATO forces facing Soviet forces across the Rhine?

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/19/2012 3:55:56 PM

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I believe it is the World at War series by Lock 'N Load http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25729/world-at-war-eisenbach-gap

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 10/19/2012 4:09:15 PM

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Thanks Wolfe, I thought it was a computer game

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 3/20/2013 9:13:04 PM

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Just browsing the forum..superb work mate. Love it. PC isn't a game for me..but these counters are grogporn.

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Are you planning to use different colours for different nations?

Yes I'm, different nation, different counter colour.

this is what I did so far

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RE: Nato counters project (nostalgic only) - 3/24/2013 3:09:21 AM

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What about the SE units? Black SS units would be nice.. I like this idea. I also prefer counters to sprites. Time of wraith counters much like yours are my favorites.