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Strat Move Question - 10/22/2012 10:53:39 PM   
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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/22/2012 10:55:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		But the strategic movement option isn't available. Not a huge deal, I just want to move this unit for garrison purposes, but curious nonetheless:






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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/22/2012 11:10:01 PM   
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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/22/2012 11:19:11 PM   
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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/22/2012 11:43:53 PM   
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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/22/2012 11:58:00 PM   
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Unit has to start in a city to be placed into STRATMOVE Mode.


If my guys could hail a passing train that would be nice. Heck of a tip though.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/23/2012 1:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even a hex with a "DOT" in it doesn't qualify to start a strategic journey, but I do believe you can end one there...

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/24/2012 11:36:47 AM   
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Even a hex with a "DOT" in it doesn't qualify to start a strategic journey, but I do believe you can end one there...


Eh? I've started Strat moves from dot-bases. (They have to be on a RR -- or, I suppose, a major road, for those nationalities that are allowed to strat move on roads).

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/24/2012 2:43:33 PM   
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Even a hex with a "DOT" in it doesn't qualify to start a strategic journey, but I do believe you can end one there...


Eh? I've started Strat moves from dot-bases. (They have to be on a RR -- or, I suppose, a major road, for those nationalities that are allowed to strat move on roads).

Hmmmm well I'll try again, but I don't even get the chance as the Strategic move option is grayed out..... can anyone shed some light on this?

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/24/2012 3:24:01 PM   
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Even a hex with a "DOT" in it doesn't qualify to start a strategic journey, but I do believe you can end one there...


Eh? I've started Strat moves from dot-bases. (They have to be on a RR -- or, I suppose, a major road, for those nationalities that are allowed to strat move on roads).

Hmmmm well I'll try again, but I don't even get the chance as the Strategic move option is grayed out..... can anyone shed some light on this?

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Even a hex with a "DOT" in it doesn't qualify to start a strategic journey, but I do believe you can end one there...


You can indeed start strat moves from dot-base hexes. I´ve done this multiple times. Keep in mind, however, that only certain nation´s units are able to do strat moves. AFAIK entitites like free french, indian, and the chinese are not able for this.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/24/2012 3:24:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would guess a road and not a railroad connection. Some units can use strategic road movment (RD) to simulate motorized units, but many can't.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/25/2012 4:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		You wrote: "Keep in mind, however, that only certain nation´s units are able to do strat moves. AFAIK entitites like free french, indian, and the chinese are not able for this."



Hmmmmmm Yet, I've moved TONS of Indian and Chinese units via strategic move, so I'm not sure what you mean... do you mean NOT from dot hexes? I don't mean to be picky but I'm not sure where you are going with the above... Hal

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 3:43:00 AM   
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Certain allied nationalities can strat move by rail or road. Others (indians, chinese, etc.) can only strat move by rail.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 6:53:00 AM   
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sorry, that´s what I wanted to say.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 11:22:24 AM   
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Yeah,


sorry, that´s what I wanted to say.

Ahhh, now I get it...ok. thanks.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 3:22:33 PM   
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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3148512&mpage=1&key=strategic%2Cmovement�

and the link I gave in one of my posts.

2. Only six nationalities can undertake strategic road movement:


  • USA
  • AUS
  • NZ
  • BRIT
  • IND
  • CAN


You should note that both USN and USMC are not in the above list. This is something which was brought to Andy Mac's attention (or was it Andrew Brown?) and IIRC the reply was that it probably was an "oversight". However I don't think there is any intended recoding in mind to add the USN/USMC to the nationalities which can use strategic road movement.

3. All nationalities can use strategic railway movement.

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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 8:49:34 PM   
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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 9:23:57 PM   
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You should note that both USN and USMC are not in the above list. This is something which was brought to Andy Mac's attention (or was it Andrew Brown?) and IIRC the reply was that it probably was an "oversight". However I don't think there is any intended recoding in mind to add the USN/USMC to the nationalities which can use strategic road movement.


Not necessarily an oversight. We ARE talking about squids and jarheads, after all. Most of 'em are about 5 beers shy of a six pack.


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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/26/2012 10:33:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

You should note that both USN and USMC are not in the above list. This is something which was brought to Andy Mac's attention (or was it Andrew Brown?) and IIRC the reply was that it probably was an "oversight". However I don't think there is any intended recoding in mind to add the USN/USMC to the nationalities which can use strategic road movement.


How much organic motorised lift capability is there in a Marine Division?? All the others on the list had significant capability either organic or at the Corps level.





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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/27/2012 12:53:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

You should note that both USN and USMC are not in the above list. This is something which was brought to Andy Mac's attention (or was it Andrew Brown?) and IIRC the reply was that it probably was an "oversight". However I don't think there is any intended recoding in mind to add the USN/USMC to the nationalities which can use strategic road movement.


How much organic motorised lift capability is there in a Marine Division?? All the others on the list had significant capability either organic or at the Corps level.






Much less than a US Army division. Throughout the war the US Army Groung Forces (the staff command in Washington, DC) struggled to reduce the number of trucks in each army division in order to reduce the shipping needed to move the division overseas, and to free up more men for service in the line. I have the actual numbers somewhere, just not at my fingertips.

I did the OOB for US ground forces in AE. I'm fine with not allowing USMC/USN units to road stratmove. They had less organic transport then did the army. On the other hand, if Marines absolutely had to be moved somewhere by road, I'm guessing Uncle Sam would have rustled up some trucks from a nearby depot, even if it was run by the Army, to send the naval infantry on their merry way.


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RE: Strat Move Question - 10/27/2012 9:50:19 AM   
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